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2008 Mozilla Summit Affected By Rock Slide

An anonymous reader writes "The recently concluded 2008 Mozilla Summit, held in Whistler, Canada, was impacted by a rock slide that cut off the main highway between Whistler and Vancouver, where most attendees planned to depart via airplane. In true open-source fashion, summit attendees collaborated on a solution, opening a Bugzilla bug (severity: "blocker"), posting crash dumps, and proposing solutions, including chartering a flight (which would land first in TRUNK, then BRANCH). Eventually, attendees settled on a workaround which seems to have been successful. For next year's summit, organizers might want to consider a location with more redundancy."

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  1. Whistler? by segedunum · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wasn't that where some Microsoft people used to meet, and wasn't that a codename of a version of Windows?

    Hmmmmmmmmmm.

    *Strokes chin in style of Dr. Evil*

    1. Re:Whistler? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only, Whistler is a popular destination for Mr. Gates -- the codename 'Longhorn' is also the name of the Longhorn Bar/Pub, one of Bills favorite places to hang out in Whistler. Windows Media Center's 2003/2004 were named after 2 popular skiing areas on Whistler mountain (Harmony Bowl and Symphony Bowl). Windows 7 was originally named "Blackcomb" the sister ski hill beside Whistler.

      Yeap, Bill secretly loves us Canadians more...

    2. Re:Whistler? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sources report seeing a high velocity chair strike the mountainside moments before the conference.

    3. Re:Whistler? by Jager+Dave · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Windows XP" was codenamed "Whistler" during it's development and Beta testing....Hopefully that NDA I signed has long since expired. ;)

    4. Re:Whistler? by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Funny

      the codename 'Longhorn' is also the name of the Longhorn Bar/Pub, one of Bills favorite places to hang out in Whistler.

      I guess that proves it, MS really was drunk when they coded Vista.

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    5. Re:Whistler? by JSund · · Score: 3, Funny

      So you're saying they repeated the same mistake they did with ME?

    6. Re:Whistler? by mattpm · · Score: 2, Funny

      "DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS" declared the suspect as he retreated back into the woods.

  2. We are confident to say... by TuringTest · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mozilla Summit rocks!

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    1. Re:We are confident to say... by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      yah, but how many attendees got stoned?

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  3. Natural disaster.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...or an attack from Microsoft's ultra high tech assault geek ninja squad, aimed at derailing the conference?

    I think any sane person already knows the answer.

  4. bah by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

    if this a TRUE bugzilla ticket, it would be closed ("I'm not blocked in") or ignored for years.

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    1. Re:bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      All open source bug trackers are like that. I've had a bug closed INVALID against Apache Tomcat because, even though it broke Internet Explorer support, it was needed to work around a bug in some other browser. No one could remember what other browser, but hey, who cares about supporting Internet Explorer?

      My favorite "dumb bug close reason" though has to be a bug I filed against Java's AWT about an easily reproducible VM crash under Windows. Sun closed it immediately as WORKSFORME because they couldn't reproduce it under Solaris.

      My favorite "dumb Mozilla bug close" (to move ontopic-ish) was some bug where the reporter originally reported it via a comment on another bug. He was then told to file it as a new bug since, while related, it wasn't that bug. So he did, and this new bug was then immediately closed as a duplicate of the original bug.

      All of the bugs I've submitted to Mozilla are invariable closed as duplicates. Generally this isn't because I haven't already looked for the bug, but because I have and failed to locate it through Bugzilla's crappy search. One time this was because they had some very, very generic bug that was basically "feature X doesn't work" and all bugs related to it were duplicates.

      My general experience with bug reporting is not to bother. It's just not worth it.

      (Posted anonymously because I can't remember any of the actual facts. So take this as a meaningless rant. YMMV and all that.)

    2. Re:bah by RealGrouchy · · Score: 3, Funny

      They should be taking this much more seriously. Filing bogus bug reports will only send the Mozilla brand down a slippery slope.

      - RG>

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  5. Interesting Vista's by Fishead · · Score: 5, Funny

    That highway is quite spectacular, with some interesting vista's along the way. Unfortunately, some of those vista's were poorly designed. The foundation of this particular one was unstable from the beginning, and looks to have crashed Mozilla. Personally, I think they should do away with the vista's and focus on stability and long term viability.

    1. Re:Interesting Vista's by nacturation · · Score: 3, Funny

      That highway is quite spectacular, with some interesting vista's along the way. Unfortunately, some of those vista's were poorly designed. The foundation of this particular one was unstable from the beginning, and looks to have crashed Mozilla. Personally, I think they should do away with the vista's and focus on stability and long term viability.

      You forgot the apostrophe in "look's".

      Remember folk's: every plural word require's an apostrophe.
       

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  6. Really peeps... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Funny

    This isn't something you want women to read :)

  7. maybe if they'd looked more closely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    they would've seen, high in the mountains, a group of rogue engineers from the MSIE team playing with "Acme TNT" and sticking their thumbs in their ears.

  8. MLM by iamapizza · · Score: 5, Funny

    Couldn't they just use Microsoft LiveMeeting to hold their summit?

    I should probably hide right now.

    Sorry.

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    1. Re:MLM by alexandreracine · · Score: 2, Informative

      Usually people use the duck "tag"... like this (duck)

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    2. Re:MLM by shish · · Score: 2, Funny

      like this (duck)

      Or this:

      *quack* >o

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  9. Olympics in 2010 will be vulnerable by Freshly+Exhumed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Many events during the 2010 Vancouver Winter Olympics will be held in Whistler.

    Now we are seeing why people are very nervous about the idea that the one and only direct connecting highway connecting Vancouver and Whistler does not have acceptable uptime, security, or redundancy. The Pemberton-Lilloet-Hope-Vancouver workaround is hopelessly time consuming.

    There is a train route between Whistler and Vancouver but it is also vulnerable for most of the same reasons.

    The government sold the IOC on the Vancouver-Whistler idea by promising to throw millions of dollars of upgrading at that highway, and after a few years of work already underway we get this giant dump file.

    Are we being set up for a snowcrash?

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    1. Re:Olympics in 2010 will be vulnerable by qdaku · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is actually what I do for a living --assess the stability of rock slopes. Those guys in vests you see going in before anyone else does, that's me. Though I did not work on this particular case and I usually look at larger scale failures in open pit mines.

      In all honesty, they've done what they can. There is no way of 100% securing that highway, or frankly any mountainous highway in difficult terrain. The highway is as safe as reasonably achievable and is inherited from the 60's when our understanding of geomaterials was significantly less than what it is now. Would a tunnel in places be better now? Probably. But it comes down to money and what people are willing to pay. Quoted 3-4 billion for a new route and you can be damn sure there would be budget overruns. It's one of those assumed risks for living in an area with high natural hazard risks.

      Hey, the big earthquake that is supposed to be hitting Vancouver any day now could happen during the Olympics. Hell, one could hit china. The world isn't a 100% thing as much as we think we can understand it and it's very true in natural rock slopes where you are dealing with limited data (strength, joint network, etc) of a highly variable system (properties can be difficult to impossible to measure, vary wildly, and have an insane amount of scale effects). You can get the intact strength of rock out of UCS/triaxial tests, you can get the shear strength along discontinuities. Extrapolating that to the entire slope for the complex interaction of sliding surfaces (joints, where you have a guess of what's there but you don't know 100% because it's buried), block movement/crushing/aspherity removal, natrual processes (weathering, frost jacking, tree roots, animal burrowing, strain softening, etc) is difficult and not 100%

      If you don't want to have to deal with road closures due to the fact you live somewhere gorgeous in the mountains and have to drive on a road where there IS a risk of rock falls --tough, go live in the Prairies.

    2. Re:Olympics in 2010 will be vulnerable by thewils · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, the athletes and officials will all be taken care of - helicopters, planes, boats etc.

      But the paying public will basically be told to sexually go elsewhere. This grants the IOC it's wish of having a games where the public paid for, but cannot get to (and hence disrupt) any of the events. I'm sure the security forces are watching this one with interest.

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    3. Re:Olympics in 2010 will be vulnerable by maglor_83 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It changes from a 125km drive to a 450km drive. That's pretty bad.

    4. Re:Olympics in 2010 will be vulnerable by belmolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think that anyone is criticizing the engineers. The problem is (a) that the Olympics are going to be held in such a location and (b) that the local organizing committee persuaded the IOC that it would be okay because they would either improve Hwy 99 or build a new road in a different location. The latter was ruled out by both cost and environmental considerations, so what they've done is make relatively minor improvements to Hwy 99, which don't really change things.

      I have driven that road many times and frankly, the risk of rockfall is not the major problem. The major problem are the idiot drivers who go too fast, slide over the centerline on curves, don't have proper snow tires in the winter, etc. There are lots of accidents on that stretch of Hwy 99, of which hardly any are due to rockslides. They are almost always due to poor driving.

    5. Re:Olympics in 2010 will be vulnerable by mseidl · · Score: 2, Funny

      No redundancy...

      Are you suggesting they create another Whistler and run them in Raid 1? Or 4 whistlers in Raid 5?

  10. Re:Winter Olympic 2010 by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2, Informative

    They have been twinning most of the highway between Vancouver and Whistler in preparation for the Olympics. Before the twinning, yes, it was a death trap. Very twisty... just the sort of road a good for an evening motorcycle ride from downtown Van to Squamish (~50km), a coffee at Starbucks, and back... hoping to avoid the slow moving cages on the road. The view is AMAZING as half the trip between Vancouver and Whistler (i.e. up to Squamish, where there is a shear 2000 foot rock climbing face) is along the Howe Sound... the road is all on cliffs over the water. A few places where they have twinned the road is a very high speed twisty race track that will generate a lot of revenue for the province by way of radar detector. But it will no longer be the death trap that it was. Most of those were cars hitting head on, on the very, very twisty corners on the cliff faces.

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  11. It was a great summit, nevertheless by zzxc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even through the bear encounter, rock slide, power outage, and overnight bus trips to the airport, the organizers (especially Dan Portillo) made everything happen as smoothly as it could. Everyone had a great time, and (most) of the almost 400 attendees made their flights home. There was even a "Mozilla Camp" at the Vancouver airport where everyone was waiting for hours. Pictures of the summit are being aggregated on summit.mozilla.org. We all learned a lot and met lots of people, and overall the summit was a huge success.

  12. I always HAVE to think of everything? by alexborges · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bring our the lizzard, ask it to move the rocks.

    Sheesh. Such smart people didnt think of THAT?

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  13. WONTFIX by Jay+L · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess you missed comment #35:

    Since this bug effects only a small portion of Firefox users, proposing this as
    WONTFIX.

    Perhaps interested parties can create an extension?

    Robert Accettura wins that bug.

  14. oh sure by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Typical slashbot; faced with massive memory leaks and crashes in Mozilla, you find a way to blame Vista.

  15. And a Wedding Was Amost Missed by PineHall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Neil Deakin almost missed his own wedding because of the rock slide. He had to take a float plane to get out of there.