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FISA and Border Searches of Laptops

With the recent attention to the DHS's draconian policy on laptop searches at borders, a blog post by Steven Bellovin from last month is worth wider discussion. Bellovin extrapolates from the DHS border policy on physical electronic devices and asks why authorities wouldn't push to extend it to electronic data transfers. "...it would seem to make little difference if the information is 'imported' into the US via a physical laptop or via a VPN, or for that matter by a Web connection. The right to search a laptop for information, then, is equivalent to the right to tap any and all international connections, without a warrant or probable cause. (More precisely, one always has a constitutional protection against 'unreasonable' search and seizure; the issue is what the definition of 'unreasonable' is.)"

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  1. I'm trying to collect incidents + horror stories.. by rixster_uk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    so.... please let me know either at admin@scareports.com or at the website ( oblig. link : here ) . You can post anonymously as well if you want....
    There's a few interesting ones, a few boring ones but I NEED MORE !!!

  2. Too hard by nighty5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Whilst I liked visiting the USA, its increasing stance against visitors is becoming too invasive to care anymore.

    The first time I was forced to electronically store my fingerprints on your systems for an unknown period of time was the start of the end.

    How wrong we were to assume that bio passports were enough to subdue to spooks.

    Have a 'nice' day!

    1. Re:Too hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > How wrong we were to assume that bio passports were enough to subdue to spooks.

      Nothing will ever subdue the spooks. Each time we bend on something, they'll ask for more. You need to put a line in the sand and say "no further".

      I actually stopped visiting America in the last few years. Being French, I clearly felt "persona non grata" after the Iraq war started.

      As my experiences at America's borders have always been rather poor, I then just stopped going there after the increase of the security theater.

      I may return to America for a business trip someday, but right now, it is our America partners that do the trips.

  3. Re:The gov agrees. by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Mod parent up. Only 2 years ago it was impractical to sniff all traffic and identify P2P and insert reset packets. It was unreasonable to record all phone conversations. It was unreasonable to have thousands of cameras around the UK monitoring everything. It was unreasonable to have cameras that recognize license plates and automatically bill you for running red lights.

  4. Re:Old school by xalorous · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My laptop has a sticker on it that says "Property of Exxon-Mobil" and a bar code that looks very official. It has never been searched at the border.

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  5. Re:You wish... by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Experience, sonny. I've watched them tear apart my car more than once. I've been flagged for not having a credit card and checked luggage. I've bought my tickets less than 24 hours before departure, with, god forbid, cash! Evidently I fit a "profile". While all their smuggler and "terrorist" buddies wizz on through for answering all their questions "correctly". They are goons. I don't care if you think it's troll. It's the truth. And it ain't pretty.

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  6. Perhaps a little resistance is in order? by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How many low-rent laptops could be crammed with utterly useless information and sent back and forth, back and forth across the US border? Like any basically stupid, attack-trained creature these border-control idiots occasionally have to learn the lesson that when you piss off the boss too often, there are going to be consequences.

    Thousands of man-hours wasted on trivia and the inevitable reaming they'll will eventually get from their elected masters, hopefully the loss of some upper-level jobs...now there's some consequences.

    Being held accountable is the only thing these fascist half-wits really worry about.

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  7. Re:Look on the bright side... by damburger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would say sooner. What a lot of people have suggested to me is that the Bush administration wanted spending up to make it look like the economy was healthy, just until he got out of office. That is why they looked the other way whilst people were tossing out cheap credit. I think the Republicans want to lose this election so the bomb drops on a Democrat's watch.

    Basically, he deliberately maxed out Obama's credit card for him and remortgaged the house, with the plan to later on call him fiscally irresponsible.

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  8. Re:Bush took away our "treasure" by jwiegley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you want fiscally responsible policies, vote Democrat.

    Right... that'll help. Social Security, Welfare, Medicare and Medicaid exceed the entire military AND discretional budget (not just the Iraq war) and all are horribly broken.

    • Social Security: 1935, FDR... democrat
    • Welfare: 1935, FDR... democrat, reformed in 1996 by Bill Clinton... democrat AGAINST the democratic party's wishes for longer terms and more funds. (thank the universe for little miracles.)
    • Medicare and medicaid: 1945 proposed by Harry Truman... democrat, signed 1965 by Lyndon Johnson also... democrat.

    Get your ignorant head out of your knee-jerk, liberally biased ass, do some actual fact finding/checking and come to the realization that ALL big government is wasteful, inefficient, deceitful and corrupt.

    By the way... the interest on our national debt alone matches half of the figure you spew for the Iraq war. This expenditure is 100% waste every year that buys us *nothing* and it's all the result of f*ucked up presidential/congressional/senate decisions for the past eighty years. During which time no party other than democrat or republican has been in power.

    if you really want fiscally responsible policies... vote them all out of office and start taking care of yourself for a change.

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  9. Re:Look on the bright side... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    OK, so how do you explain the fact that the Democrats, who run both houses of congress and who are completely in control of budgeting and spending and the raising of money, have no interest in reigning in spending?

    Well, in their defense, if the house passes a spending bill the Pres doesn't like, he just vetoes it and then cries out that the dems don't want to support the troops.

    It's a shitty situation, and the dems are partly responsible, but they have an extremely slim majority (and can lost in the Senate to a filibuster), and a remarkably belligerent president to deal with, so it's hardly fair to blame it all on them.

  10. Re:You wish... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd be surprised if the government here in GB plays along for long. Privacy, surveillance and the database state are becoming big issues here right now, both legally and politically, while support for the US throwing its weight around is a pretty universal vote-loser, all of which are bad news for a government so weak it can barely stand up. I expect a significant change in approach in time for the next general election in a couple of years, if not sooner if they give their current leader the boot and find yet another one after the summer recess.

    In any case, the government doesn't have much choice about European data protection rules, which our businesses are bound to follow regardless of the government saying nice things to the US. There are already concerns in the business press about issues such as more distributed data storage and processing facilities, which can't be set up in locations that don't adhere to the same data protection standards as European law requires without jumping through hoops with customers and/or incurring negative PR. The US is one such location.

    And even without legal obligations, the costs and risks associated with travel to the US are reaching the point that a lot of businesses will no longer make the trip. There have already been reports of business people being refused entry for the most stupid of reasons because of so-called anti-terrorist measures, and as I said before, it probably won't take more than a few high profile leaks after business laptops went missing while containing confidential data to start a serious backlash. Make it impossible to transfer data securely via the Internet as well, and the US just became one of the most business-hostile countries in the Western world, and no amount of sucking up by European governments is going to make European businesses run risks they don't need to in the current economic climate. Many of those that don't have well-established, substantial operations in the US will probably just give up on it until sanity returns.

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