NASA Spends $25M On Unmanned Planes, Awards Aviation Prizes

An anonymous reader points out a NetworkWorld story about NASA's purchase of two unmanned aircraft for use in "observing remote locations of Earth not feasible or practical with piloted aircraft." The planes are Northrop Grumman Global Hawks, and NASA selected them for their extreme range and the fact that most other unmanned vehicles don't have the FAA's approval for regular use over the US. NASA also distributed prizes for its General Aviation Challenge this weekend. The goals of the challenge include improving fuel efficiency in aviation, reducing emissions, and aircraft safety. None of the teams were able to achieve the $50,000 prize for managing 30 miles per gallon, but the top team was able to complete the 400-mile course at 28.8 miles per gallon.

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Oil independence

[morgan_greywolf]

In order to achive independence on foreign oil, we in the U.S. will not just need to get cars that use less (or no) oil, but aerospace vehicles as well. Even 30 MPG for an unmanned plane isn't going to be nearly enough.

Re:Oil independence

[rossdee]

MPG doesn't really matter if you're not going anywhere. The Global Hawk is a loitering type of reconnaissance plane, not a fly-over-as-fast-as-you-can type like the SR71. What matters is the gallons per hour, not the miles per gallon.

Re:Oil independence

[pxlmusic]

i agree with you on that, however...

the problem with that is that america's economy is predicated on cheap fuel. take that away, and everything begins to slowly collapse.

i'm not saying that alternative fuels aren't needed, but the rest of us who are actively trying to consume less end up being punished for the overconsumption of others. i'm not saying i'm "carbon neutral" or anything, but if i'm cutting back, and my neighbors aren't -- well, i end up starving because joe bob next door won't give up his fucking Yukon XL or Excursion to cart his fat ass and his coffee 30 miles to work every day.

OTOH, i think that although raising prices to discourage consumption is hard, it doesn't work as well in America as it might elsewhere because we were accustomed to cheap gas for so long. old habits and all that...

Re:Oil independence

[pxlmusic]

people keep thinking this "magic bullet" is going to come along and save us from oil. but, i don't tihnk that's going to happen.

upping the prices to discourage consumption works to a point -- and then you start killing off those who are unable to keep up financially. you have people just trying to get by who may be using public transport, don't have a car, and are getting killed on the cost of basic necessities driven up by high fuel prices.

Re:Oil independence

[MadnessASAP]

Oh it's that simple then is it? Only 70% and the USA can be free of foreign oil, well christ boy I bet if you took that extra little step and knocked off %100 you could be completely free of or dependency on oil.

-1 Stating the stupidly obvious.

Hyper mailing and tailgating

[LiquidCoooled]

Wait until the drones start hypermiling and catching the draft of passing jets.
Then we will see MPG figures increase.

Of course someone with a honda will just tape wings onto their car and beat it hands down, but they tend to be frowned upon.

Re:Hyper mailing and tailgating

[Fumus]

Why not just use imperial gallons and watch as the MPG skyrockets.

Needs better diet.

[BitterOldGUy]

The shoe-in to win the green prize--a team with a novel "omnivore" biodiesel engine capable of flying on french fry oil--pulled out of the race at the last minute because of a mechanical problem.

No wonder! We all know that french-fry oil clogs up arteries. That plane needs to be put on an engine healthy fuel. Lower saturated fats should be used. Otherwise, on take-off and landing - high stress parts of flight - that poor plane will put a wing up to its fuselage and just die.

Odd

[hcdejong]

None of the four planes entered won the $50,000 prize; the best attempt achieved 28.8 miles per gallon.

versus

The "Prius of airplanes," the 100-horsepower-engine Pipistrel typically can go as fast as 170 mph and get 50 miles to the gallon.

So wasn't the Pipistrel Viper entered in the mileage competition, and why not if it'd have easily won?

Re:Odd

[SimonGhent]

The Pipistrel won $250,000 from NASA last year http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9758741-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20/

And in TFA:

One of the biggest prizes it granted was $50,000 for aircraft safety to the lone returning competitor, the Slovenian-built Pipistrel known as Virus. The plane, which was the big winner at the 2007 event, had added such precautions as a cabin integrated with Kevlar and an installed ballistic parachute system, or a deployable rocket that would launch a parachute 100 feet above the plane in the event of an emergency

But in answer to your question (again from TFA!):

The Pipistrel, for example, used a carbon-fiber propeller on its aircraft this year to reduce its noise by at least 10 percent, but that shift cut the plane's fuel-efficiency by as much as 50 percent.

Will these innovations ever be adopted?

[hcdejong]

The general aviation industry has advanced at a glacial pace ever since WW2, and it got worse with the excesses of litigation that almost put the GA manufacturers out of business. Electronic fuel injection is still regarded as newfangled and unproven, for instance.
I know there are reasons for this (basically, developing an all-new engine that conforms to the safety standards can't be afforded the industry), but the end result is that any innovation seen in this competition will be viewed with deep distrust by the GA industry, and in 10 years, non-experimental GA planes will still be no more advanced than they are today.

Re:Will these innovations ever be adopted?

[MadnessASAP]

Well there's a damned good reason for that too. When your cars computer dies or a fuel injector clogs you pull over to the side of the road. In an airplane you can also pull over to the side of the road, unfortunately that road happens to be 5000' below you. Pilots don't WANT to fly in anything that hasn't been tested and proven again and again and again.

Re:Will these innovations ever be adopted?

[SunBug]

I'm a general aviation pilot and would LOVE to have a fuel-injected engine. More power, better reliability, better fuel economy, smoother running, and one less control to monitor.

One big problem with EFI is how to handle total loss of the electrical system. As it stands now, you can lose the alternator, the battery, and one magneto and still fly. Same with mechanical (Bendix systems) injection. However, with the mechanical systems, you don't gain a whole lot. There is still a mixture control- they basically act as a glorified carburetor.

With EFI, if you lose the alternator and the battery goes dead, the engine stops. An additional alternator and battery could be installed to mitigate most of the risk. Same for the coils. You could even keep a magneto as a fallback if the coil dies.

Really, the biggest opposition to modernizing GA is the government and all the red tape involved. It would fairly easily cost millions of dollars to just get an EFI system certified on ONE make/model. Even if you targeted the Cessna 172 with the Lycoming O320, the cost would be prohibitive. As just a guess, it would cost $30-45 thousand per installation- close to the cost of a complete new engine with mechanical fuel injection. Not really a viable option.

There was a program a few years ago call the General Aviation Propulsion engine (GAP). It was supposed to reduce the cost and increase the reliability of GA propulsion. Last I read the project was "considered a success" and disappeared. Seems like a shame, really.