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US No Longer the World's Internet Hub

museumpeace brings us a New York Times story about how internet traffic is increasingly flowing around the US as web-based industries catch up in other parts of the world. Other issues, such as the Patriot Act, have made foreign companies wary about having their data on US servers. From the NYTimes: "Internet industry executives and government officials have acknowledged that Internet traffic passing through the switching equipment of companies based in the United States has proved a distinct advantage for American intelligence agencies. In December 2005, The New York Times reported that the National Security Agency had established a program with the cooperation of American telecommunications firms that included the interception of foreign Internet communications. Some Internet technologists and privacy advocates say those actions and other government policies may be hastening the shift in Canadian and European traffic away from the United States."

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  1. No surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Americans would also be up in arms if most of their traffic was routed through China.

    1. Re:No surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      China, Russia and the Islamic countries don't really care if they spy, cheat or lie. They want control and power over all and that includes Americans

      Funny, that's how I would characterize the USA.

  2. Good Riddance by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Internet isn't supposed to have a "hub". It's supposed to be completely distributed and decentralized.

    Besides, why should the US carry all the rest of the world's traffic? The world is a globe, which doesn't have a center. Why should Europe / East Asia connections pass through the US? Let them build their share of the interconnects. They've got way more people, and we need all our bandwidth for ourselves, just like anyone else.

    The US invented the Internet. We should be exporting equipment and expertise, so the rest of the world can do business with us (and with each other our way), and get paid right to do it.

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    1. Re:Good Riddance by emandres · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm pretty sure the world has a center... but it'd be a heck of a feat trying to cool that server farm.

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    2. Re:Good Riddance by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Funny

      The Earth has a center, because it is a sphere. But no one lives outside a small band +/- 400m from the surface, so "the world" is a shell that has no center.

      No one except the Mole Men, and they've got their own Internet. Which is really more an "Infranet", but that's their problem.

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    3. Re:Good Riddance by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Internet isn't supposed to have a "hub". It's supposed to be completely distributed and decentralized.

      I guess there is a good deal of cost-cutting and laziness involved in not having more independent connections. Most German providers, for instance, route their traffic through the DE-CIX node in Frankfurt instead of maintaining a dozen peer links.

      This said, at some point it must be cheaper to have direct connections than buying capacity on a detour over the US. Especially where overseas cable are involved. A Google search brought up the following maps for the IPV6 net, and it seems that the countries outside the US do indeed build their own connections:
      ahref=http://ipv6.nlsde.buaa.edu.cn/rel=url2html-19746http://ipv6.nlsde.buaa.edu.cn/>

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  3. Just a marketing problem by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Other countries wouldn't have a problem with routing their traffic through the United States if we had good public relations...

    "For every packet your country sends through the U.S., you will automatically be entered in a drawing for one of your citizens to win an all-expenses paid trip to exotic, sunny Cuba!"

    That would get them excited!

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  4. I'm glad! by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The complete and utter arrogance of our Government and it's treatment of, not only us, but the rest of the World is starting to bite us in the ass. Not only with our Government's attitude with tapping the internet but also with our perceived superiority in space. We are no longer the leaders in space technology thanks to our Government. Other countries have workarounds to our technology because it was too much of a pain to do business with American firms. All because our Government believes that we have a monopoly on technology and smart people.

    See, our paranoia and fear is now hurting our economy. And as a result it's hastening our decline. Maybe this will be a wake up call to the powers that be.

  5. Thanks, washington by merreborn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thanks, Washington. Between the patriot act and the DMCA, you've managed to legislate one of the few booming industries we had out of the country.

    Used to be, there were four things we did better than anyone else:
    music
    movies
    microcode
    high-speed pizza delivery

    You're really trying to cross things off that list as fast as you can, aren't you?

    1. Re:Thanks, washington by Inglix+the+Mad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, truth be told, those people in Washington are elected. Perhaps people should look in the mirror and if they've voted for President Bush or anyone, and I mean ANYONE, that has voted for the UN-Patriot Acts I & II, the DMCA, et al., seriously consider educating themselves before voting this time. Of course that won't happen.

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    2. Re:Thanks, washington by Tim+Browse · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, you Americans and your quaint complaining about the price of petrol :-).

  6. Free Market by The+Snowman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a free market at its best. The United States provides a poor service (allow us to carry your data, and we will spy on it), so foreign telecomms decide the better value is not to route traffic through the United States. Our own laws that promote spying, snooping, invasion of privacy, and generally going against the spirit of the Constitution (I say spirit because it does not apply to foreign citizens in most cases) will be used against us. Other nations will decide that we are increasingly irrelevant: our dollar is on a trend of weakening against foreign currencies due to the massive trade deficit which in turn puts our balls squarely in the hands of countries such as China. This weakens our clout in international markets. This story is just one facet of the weakening of the United States as a superpower and our downward slide into becoming a third-world country. Our politicians and corporate executives are so concerned about maintaining their wealth that they are willing to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

    No, I am not cynical. I am also not sarcastic.

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  7. Re:Oh hey by maxume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The U.S. has about 5% of the worlds population and is separate by large amounts of water from more than 80% of the global population.

    Thus, in the long term, it simply doesn't make any sense that the U.S. would be the world's internet hub, so this isn't really evidence of decay or any other silliness, it is just as easily interpreted as global progress.

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  8. Re:Logical conclusion of this by Joebert · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Someone left a few Yahoo Internet Life Mags from 1998 on my chair yesterday. There was a predictions for 1998 section in the January issue with some similar thoughts.

    Penn Jillette (Penn and Teller), 1998

    We will continue to be told that freedom is a bad idea. The Net will be blamed for more kiddie porn, terrorism, and loss of privacy. those who remember that these things predate home computers (and maybe even pong) will get blue in the face to keep the future getting better.

    Emmanuel goldstien (Publisher of 2600 magazine), 1998

    The net will continue to grow, and so will the conflicts -- 12 year olds will battle multi-national corporations, Net Nazis will fight hackers, Governments will have it out with activists. For a time, the wide-open environment of the net will force opposing sides to listen to each-other. Once they all get tired of that, the Net will factionize and break apart so that, similar to TV, we never have to deal with things that disturb us or make us think too much. we'll have the Military Net, the childrens Net, the black net, the white Net, and so on. the days where we actually had to listen to our enemies will become a memory, and finally a myth.

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  9. SOX probably more influential than Patriot Act by ObiWonKanblomi · · Score: 5, Informative

    Other issues, such as the Patriot Act, have made foreign companies wary about having their data on US servers.

    No. Other forces such as wanting increase profit margins are probably having a bigger influence.

    WRT legislation, the Sarbanes-Oxley Act has probably had a greater impact on influencing companies on their move. Provisions within S-OX require companies to provide access to data to allow for full data audits. That would include emails, internal reports, etc.

  10. Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about we have an international network that is completely free from politics and that politicians can't touch?

  11. You missed the important point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The Internet isn't supposed to have a "hub". It's supposed to be completely distributed and decentralized."

    True. However, you missed the most important point. Because of "intelligence" agency surveillance in the U.S., commerce in the U.S. is no longer safe. So companies are taking their business elsewhere.

    It's not just internet traffic. Software from the U.S. cannot be trusted. All of the U.S. government's many secret departments believe that they can a) order executives of companies that do business in the U.S. to provide any help they want so that they can accomplish surveillance, and b) put the executives in prison if they reveal the corruption. So, any software that has ever been under U.S. control, or has been corrupted by the U.S. government, cannot be trusted.

    Often employees of U.S. government secret departments take jobs in commercial companies, and pretend to be normal employees, while serving illegal purposes of the secret departments. So even companies in other countries cannot be trusted to be free of corrupt surveillance, paid for by U.S. taxpayers.

    It's not like any of that is a big secret. There are plenty of books and articles about U.S. government surveillance. However, most people in the U.S. just don't want to believe the level of corruption.

  12. Excellent post ! by golodh · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This particular issue had slipped my mind, but the parent post and the article cited there bring it back into focus.

    US export regulations have a way of being over-broad, just for the ease of legislating. As the Rather than protecting one or two key components, the export regulations tend to protect an entire assembly.

    To quote from the article referenced by the parent post (http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11965352): "IN THE spring of 2006 Robert Bigelow needed to take a stand on a trip to Russia to keep a satellite off the floor. The stand was made of aluminium. It had a circular base and legs. It was, says the entrepreneur and head of Bigelow Aerospace in Nevada, "indistinguishable from a common coffee table". Nonetheless, the American authorities told Mr Bigelow that this coffee table was part of a satellite assembly and so counted as a munition. During the trip it would have to be guarded by two security officers at all times."

    If that sounds a bit off-center, then perhaps I might add a personal anecdote. In the 1980's I corresponded with someone in a Dutch consultancy. Their company had just won a contract from some Dutch ministry to move a lot of data and Fortran software from a mainframe to a PC environment. They had figured to dump the lot on tape, get the tape to their offices, and then read the tape using a 9-track tape drive connected to a PC on their LAN, recompile the Fortran code on PC, and process the data on PC.

    They had (accurately) budgeted for the purchase of a 9-track tape drive and needed one in a hurry. I was asked for a name of good a US manufacturer (they didn't even consider any other source) of 9-track tapes, which I found in 10 minutes and gave to them. So far so good.

    That's when the trouble started.

    They were careful people and actually phoned the US embassy in The Netherlands to see if they could just order that tape drive, and what the import/export formalities would be. It's well that they did, because, yes, there were some difficulties. Just the formality of an export license. Asked how to obtain one, the embassy responded that not they, but the manufacturer would have to get the license. And that it would take anywhere between 3-4 months to process the paperwork.

    Yes, that's right. In order to export a 9-track tape drive to The Netherlands in the nineteen eighties (NATO partner and all) there would be a 3-4 month wait while the paperwork cleared!

    Well ... that wasn't an option for them, since the deadline on their contract was only 6 months away. So they went and bought another make. I believe it was Japanese. Or French. Which was duly bought and installed in their offices two weeks later. They successfully completed the move too and delighted the ministry they were working for by much quicker turnaround times (on high-end PCs; the software being CPU-bound) at a fraction of the cost they would incur on the mainframe.

    But in the mean time the US Inc. lost an order for a rather ordinary and fairly innocuous 9-track tape drive, which could be second-sourced on the open market within a week or so, while starting off as the *only* name on the shortlist. And all because of some well-intentioned but rather inept export regulations.

  13. Not surprising by symbolset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The internet is a redundant fault tolerant network. It routes around damage. Censorship is damage. Monitoring is damage. Theft of the commons by rights holders is damage. What did they think was going to happen?

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