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Wikipedia Edits Forecast Vice Presidential Picks

JimLane writes "The Washington Post reports on the findings of Cyveillance, a company that 'normally trawls the Internet for data on behalf of clients seeking open source information in advance of a corporate acquisition, an important executive hire, or brand awareness.' Cyveillance decided 'on a lark' to test its methods by monitoring the Wikipedia biographies of Vice-Presidential prospects. The conclusion? If you'd been watching Wikipedia you might have gotten an advance tipoff of Friday's announcement that McCain was selecting Sarah Palin. 'At approximately 5 p.m. ET (Thursday), the company's analysts noticed a spike in the editing traffic to Palin's Wiki page, and that some of the same Wiki users appeared to be making changes to McCain's page.'" The article goes on to say that watching Wikipedia pages for the Democratic VP hopefuls would have tipped Obama's choice of Biden, as well. NPR also has coverage (audio).

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  1. What's This? by iamwhoiamtoday · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Politicians (or their group) editing wiki pages in order to appear better to the public? (the same people who have the power to put them in office) Gasp. Shocked I am. I honestly am starting to expect this kind of thing. PS: I do think that it's rather interesting, looking for spikes in Wiki traffic to predict assorted events, perhaps we should start monitoring the "US invades the entire middle east" page

    1. Re:What's This? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is called traffic analysis. An old trick of what used to be called trade craft and probably is by the spooks

    2. Re:What's This? by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So if an event is expected it may pay off to monitor the Wikipedia traffic to the related pages and by that forgo the official announcement.

      This poses some interesting prospects. Like if it was possible for party A to beforehand predict that a certain alternative was going to be selected by party B and therefore making that selection problematic.

      Only way around this is of course to make sure that the inner circle doesn't use the web for a while before official announcements are done.

      And this does of not only apply to politics but also to a lot of other events. Like potential inside affairs when it comes to buying/selling on the stock market. Pattern analysis evolves, and it may not even be necessary to actually listen in to a certain message, just measure the amount of traffic to a certain node to make a statistically based deduction. So even if you encrypt your information it may be traced and therefore provide valuable information.

      At least we do live in interesting times!

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    3. Re:What's This? by iamwhoiamtoday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I do want to point out that because this article is being read by thousands and thousands of people, the assorted political groups are likely to not make the same mistake again. They will most likely compensate for this in the future.

    4. Re:What's This? by OpenSourced · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Only way around this is of course to make sure that the inner circle doesn't use the web for a while before official announcements are done.

      The problem is of course that they want the biographies "updated" for all the press and other interested parties that are going to hit Google in the first hour after the announcement.

      So much more likely will be that before such announcements, they will update like ten or twenty biographies, to mask which is the real one.

      That of course if they care enough.

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    5. Re:What's This? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indeed. They'll just have the staff whip up edits to several other distractor pages.
      Think of the cable news effects.
      Olberman: This just in: Oh My God! Traffic analysis on Wikipedia seems to indicate that Michael Moore might pick me to be his Vice President! I'm going to need a private moment, folks. Excuse me.

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    6. Re:What's This? by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 4, Funny

      To commit suicide ?

  2. Leaks to Wikipedia by Apple+Acolyte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's pretty cool that Wikipedia has become a de-facto official source of leaks for such information. Fox News was reporting that Palin had moved to the top of the list but had no confirmation of her selection about an hour before officials confirmed it, and at that time they reported that Wikipedia listed her as the pick. Someone within the campaign evidently leaked it to Wikipedia before leaking it to offline media.

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    1. Re:Leaks to Wikipedia by djcapelis · · Score: 4, Funny

      And that edit could get picked up by tons of people and spread around, even if it's not accurate.[citation needed]

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  3. Re:Pre hoc, ergo propter hoc by ptbarnett · · Score: 4, Informative

    So basically, TFS says that wikipedia edits are made to a relevant article prior to an event, and therefore, these wikipedia articles were caused by the event.

    The tip-off seems to be that the same people were editing both the Presidental and (eventual) Vice-Presidential candidate pages. The same pattern was observed with Obama/Biden.

  4. Subject intentionally left blank by jadin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hindsight is 20/20. Now try using this to _predict_ something correctly.

    1. Re:Subject intentionally left blank by RealGrouchy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I predict that people will interpret the findings of this article as meaning more than they do.

      - RG>

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  5. why I don't believe in conspiracy by fermion · · Score: 5, Interesting
    When working at various companies, I always monitored the stock price. Invariably, the few days prior to major announcement the stock volumes would go crazy.

    Invariably someone will slip up and do something to give the game away and such traffic analysis will give the game away. All that is required is that someone look.

    This is especially true for government conspiracy. For the most part, too many people have to be involved, and too many people are looking.

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  6. It just goes to show... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Funny

    campaign organizations, as a whole, are still idiots.

  7. Too late by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Too late, the elections are already decided http://www.theonion.com/content/video/diebold_accidentally_leaks

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  8. Reverse Troll? by spineboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This may be an example of a reverse troll. By taking an extreme opposite position, it makes your position look more reasonable.

    Republicans did this about 10 years ago, by pretending to be really annoying Democrats, calling people at inopportune hours, etc.

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    1. Re:Reverse Troll? by Alsee · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >Republicans did this about 10 years ago, by pretending to be really annoying Democrats, calling people at inopportune hours, etc.

      [CITATION NEEDED]

      Searching republican "false flag" robocalls brings up hundreds of good hits on it.
      Here's the first hit describing a series of MORE THAN 20 harrassing calls, pretending to be from the Democratic candidate. The Republicans act like jackasses making harrassing robocalls, trying to trick people into thinking the Democrat is the evil jackass, so that people will get annoyed and vote Republican.

      Republicans have done it countless times across the country. Here's the Slashot story on it. It cites it happening in 53 Congressional districts in 2006. So these false flag tactics are a common Republican ploy. The only problem with the original post is that it said "Republicans did this about 10 years ago". Republicans still do it. I hardly expect them to stop just for the 2008 election.

      If you, or anyone you know, gets annoying robocalls "from Democrats", they are likely from Republicans. They also like to run bogus phone "polls". They will ask wildly biased questions like "Candidate X voted against a law to protect children from pedophiles, does this make you more or less likely to vote for candidate X?" Where of course candidate "X" is the democratic candidate. By inserting "facts" about their opponent into "questions", they make it sound like innocent neutral information from an innocent neutral source, to hide the fact that they are actually wildly biased and distorted accusations being flung by a Republican smear campaign.

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  9. prediction markets; race and polls by bcrowell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They say prediction is difficult, especially about the future. Yahoo has a "political dashboard" (flash app) that tries various things to predict the outcome of the presidential race. One technique they use is prediction markets, which are sort of similar to this thing about the wikipedia edits: instead of asking people their opinions, you watch their actions. In the yahoo dashboard app, you can click to switch between a map based on opinion polls and one based on prediction markets. One interesting thing is that the polls show Ohio leaning to McCain, but the prediction markets show it going to Obama. One thing that's really tough about predicting this election is that historically, racist white people have often lied to pollsters about their race-related opinions. Even though Obama is ahead in the polls, I'm kind of expecting that McCain will win, simply because the polls are likely to have this systematic error in them. OTOH, some people say that this racism-hiding effect in polls is no longer as strong as it used to be. The February Scientific American had an article that treated prediction markets with skepticism. Some of the evidence that people have been quoting in favor of prediction markets is apparently bogus, and nobody has the faintest clue how they really work.