Slashdot Mirror


New Study Shows Solar System Is Uncommon

Iddo Genuth writes "Research conducted by a team of North American scientists shows our solar system is special, contrary to the accepted theory that it is an average planetary system. Using computer simulations to follow the development of planets, it was shown that very specific conditions are needed for a proto-stellar disk to evolve into a solar system-like planetary system. The simulations show that in most cases either no planets are created, or planets are formed and then migrate towards the disk center and acquire highly elliptical orbits." The research was published in Science magazine; here's the paper on ArXiv (PDF).

15 of 290 comments (clear)

  1. Great! by vigmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ever since mothers were allowed into academia, all their research has been telling us is that we are SPECIAL.

    Cheers!

    --
    Atheist: Buddhist in a Prius
    1. Re:Great! by tomtomtom777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wouldn't read it like that

      Space is still the big unknown. If this "shows' anything, it seems more probable that this 'shows' that the simulations aren't complete enough yet.

      If they would deduce this from actual statistical data, it would show something, but deducing this from simulation seems a a bit to trustful to the current state of science if you ask me

    2. Re:Great! by 4D6963 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree. Basing conclusions off simulation models is risky, mainly considered how in the domain of planetary simulations, well established models get entirely questioned every once in a while.

      And at this point even actual statistical data is hard to use to conclude anything about our solar system, because of our limited observation capabilities, what we know has a heavy statistical bias.

      --
      You just got troll'd!
  2. What is rare? by kinabrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If even one thousandth of one percent of stars form solar systems similar to this one, that would still be quite significant.

  3. Under which model? by Xiroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to ask: Under which solar formation model was this conclusion drawn? Because from what I understand, there are a number of competing theories, none of which have come anywhere near being conclusively proven. I actually studied under the creator of one of the models, Andrew Prentice, and was in a position to watch as the predictions of various hypotheses were proven true or false. We've got a long way to go in the field, from what I understand.

    1. Re:Under which model? by rasman1978 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You were an apprentice under A. Prentice?

      --
      MHNATY.
  4. Climate Science by bencollier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I dislike pointing this out, but that's an interesting parallel with climate science. I remember hearing recently (on Slashdot?) that climate models primarily base their data on one or two sources that, if altered slightly, would throw the simulations pretty severely, one way *or* the other.

    1. Re:Climate Science by sleeponthemic · · Score: 5, Funny

      climatologists will need to be right more than 50% of the time if they want me to believe them. Heck just this past weekend the only thing they predicted correctly was the daily highs and lows.

      And you'll need to stop confusing climatologists with meteorologists.

      What does a meteor have to do with this weekends weather?

      Leave science to the scientologists I say..

      (They're the authentically named 'ologists for the job).

      --
      I record my sleeptalking
    2. Re:Climate Science by JTsyo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Meteorology (from Greek:meteoron, "high in the sky"; and logos, "knowledge")

  5. if our solar system is uncommon... by Brain+Damaged+Bogan · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... then what chances do we have of finding a solar system populated entirely by hot large-perky-breasted nymphomaniac supermodels that love nerds?

    --
    -- Sex is the antonym of pringles. Once you pop it's time to stop.
  6. If you think thats rare.. by Layth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just what are the odds that every alien encounter will be with bipeds that have vocal communication!

  7. Special one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Research conducted by a team of North American scientist shows our solar system is special

    ... therefore, God created this solar system specially for man, which is the center of the Universe.

    I love this based-on-new-studies "science".

    Just because we can't see (yet) any other kinds of solar systems, doesn't necessarily mean ours is "special" !

  8. How does study compare with observed results by jools33 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From what I've read here: http://exoplanets.org/aasjune07s/pr_280507.htm there have been some 236 exoplanets detected to date. I believe that they have the ability to see if these exoplanets are in highly eliptical orbits or not - so how does this simulation tie with the observed reality?
    The description of Gliese 436 for example seems to also be an exception to this simulation model - so if out of 236 finds we are already finding systems similar to sol - then this simulation model must be at fault or?

  9. Re:Have you every programmed a gravity sim? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did you now that the Earth does in fact have an elliptical orbit, and that in January it is actually three million miles closer than it is in July?

    Did you also know that the primary reason there is solid carbon dioxide on Mars is the density of the atmosphere, and not the distance to the sun?

    Did you also know that if your mommy was any uglier, or your daddy wasn't drunk, you wouldn't exist? It's true! The existence of life is contingent on many factors.

    And besides, Charley's in the trees, man, he's in the freakin' trees!

  10. political correctness, please! by paniq · · Score: 5, Funny

    our solar system isn't special, it's orbitally challenged.

    --
    Do not trust this signature.