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Mozilla Releases Firefox 3.1 Alpha 2

daria42 writes with news that Mozilla has released the second alpha build for Firefox 3.1, codenamed "Shiretoko." The new build includes "support for the HTML 5 <video> element" and the ability to "drag and drop tabs between browser windows." ComputerWorld is running a related story about benchmarks shown by Mozilla's Brendan Eich which indicate that Firefox 3.1 will run Javascript faster than Chrome.

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  1. Hey, Mozilla: Learn what "Never" means by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mozilla has released the second alpha build for Firefox 3.1, codenamed "Shiretoko."

    I see. Is that why I was yet again presented with a dialog tonight inviting me to "Upgrade to Firefox 3!" even though I've hit the Never button on that same dialog at least twice on this machine over the past few weeks?

    If you give me an upgrade option that says "Never," and I choose that option, my expectation is that I will no longer get random dialogs offering the upgrade. Ever. That's sort of the reason I keep clicking "Never" instead of "Later," but Firefox doesn't seem to care.

    This is really starting to get annoying.

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    1. Re:Hey, Mozilla: Learn what "Never" means by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 1, Informative

      I love that this post was modded informative.

    2. Re:Hey, Mozilla: Learn what "Never" means by craagz · · Score: 3, Informative

      downgrade your FF 2 a lower version, i.e. 2.0.13 if it is 2.0.14 right now. Tha nag will go away. But i will advise you to switch to FF3 it is so awesome.

    3. Re:Hey, Mozilla: Learn what "Never" means by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      I refuse to provide any help to the Mozilla Foundation until it stops trying to disguise itself as a non-profit.

      OK, Once and for all:

      From Wikipedia:
      "On August 3, 2005, Mozilla Foundation announced the creation of Mozilla Corporation, a wholly owned for-profit taxable subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation, that primarily focuses on delivering Firefox to end users. It will also oversee marketing and sponsorship of the products."

      Emphasis mine.

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    4. Re:Hey, Mozilla: Learn what "Never" means by sameerds · · Score: 5, Informative

      My Firefox is at 2.0.0.16.

      Have you read this? Seems like they have really started pushing FF3 hard like they said they would!

  2. This version does not include Tracemonkey by Anik315 · · Score: 5, Informative

    To get a version with Tracemonkey, download a nightly build and follow these instructions:

    open a new tab
    type about:config and hit enter
    read the warning and heed its wisdom
    enter jit in the filter field
    double click on javascript.options.jit.chrome and javascript.options.jit.content to change their values to true

    1. Re:This version does not include Tracemonkey by Rachman · · Score: 2, Informative

      I had no idea Google was coming out with a browser and the wonderful Chrome comic came completely out of nowhere for me. I had been using Firefox since it was first usable. I downloaded Chrome thinking it would mildly interesting to see Google's take on a browser. Oh my god. I can't think of another piece of software that has made such an immediate impression on me ever. It isn't the individual page rendering that is so fast it is the overall application.

      Switching to Chrome gave the feeling of in the past when I went years between upgrading computers and suddenly everything just feels instantaneous and responsive. And Chrome feels incredibly sleek and native running on Vista. Sharp and refined elegance are the impression it gives. Firefox continually degrades in performance and memory usage over time where you can feel the tabs taking longer and longer to switch. And the memory leaks and left overs from long since closed tabs won't go away without quitting out of Firefox. With Chrome there never is any sort of performance decay. Close a tab and memory usage drops exactly as much as that tab was using. And now matter how many tabs are open and have been opened and closed the entire UI remains as lighting quick as when the app was first launched.

      There's no way I will ever go back to Firefox. It would feel like going from Win2k back to Win95.

  3. Re:"New" features by bytta · · Score: 3, Informative
    Works fine from tabbar to tabbar in latest FF (3.0.1) - but TFA points to a bug from 2001 that's finally resolved.

    Probably dragging to anywhere in the window works now.

  4. Re:Hrm, I dunno about Tracemonkey being faster by zoips · · Score: 2, Informative

    After reading the rest of the article, and a reply below me, I think Tracemonkey wasn't enabled when I ran the Sunspider test on the 3.1 build. Therefore the numbers in my post are useless. Ignore.

  5. Re:Hrm, I dunno about Tracemonkey being faster by MoFoQ · · Score: 3, Informative

    u have to turn tracemonkey on (even in the tracemonkey capable builds).

    see this guy's post

  6. Re:"New" features by konohitowa · · Score: 2, Informative

    As an FYI for Safari users, you can do the same in Safari. IIRC, it came in sometime in the 2.x era, but I might be mistaken in that. I frequently run the betas and the feature vs version issue gets a bit clouded for me.

    Anyway, you can rearrange the tabs, drag them to other windows, are drag them out into a new window.

    The only down side is that, as far as I can tell, you have to have multiple tabs in the window from which you're dragging. So consolidating two windows into one means you have to Cmd-T in one of them to open another window first, then close it after consolidation. Rather silly - and the preferences don't have an "Always show a tab" option.

  7. Re:We ain't dead yet! by Locomorto · · Score: 2, Informative

    Eh cookies? Lets not get too excited here over nothing.

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  8. Re:Hrm, I dunno about Tracemonkey being faster by zoips · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because I still feel stupid for having made my original post without knowing that you needed to enable Tracemonkey, here's results from my home Windows machine, which is similar to my work machine (Intel Core2 Quad Q6600; work is XP 32 bit, home is Vista 64 bit):

    Chrome Sunspider results (TinyURL to Sunspider results)
    Tracemonkey Sunspider results (TinyURL to Sunspider results)

    Tracemonkey was faster than Chrome. I think it's odd that Chrome was slower than at work considering my home machine has much better parts. Chalk it up to Vista 64bit or something, I dunno.

  9. "drag and drop tabs between browser windows." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The current stable build, 3.0.1, can already do this. (and maybe already in 3.0).

  10. Re:Firefox's bottleneck isn't JS by haruchai · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://developer.mozilla.org/En/DOM_improvements_in_Firefox_3

    It seems they have been focusing on extending the DOM support but TraceMonkey will eventually be used to enhance FF's DOM performance

    (Excerpt from this page: http://ejohn.org/blog/tracemonkey/)

    Right now there isn't any tracing being done into DOM methods (only across pure-JavaScript objects) - but that is something that will be rectified. Being able to trace through a DOM method would successfully speed up, not only, math and object-intensive applications (as it does now) but also regular DOM manipulation and property access.

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  11. Re:How about the extensions too? by Paaskonijn · · Score: 3, Informative

    Because addons.mozilla.org doesn't allow us to call our add-ons compatible with future versions of Firefox. We have to wait till Firefox releases a new version and then update the compatibility.

    It kind of forces developers to check whether their add-ons are actually compatible with the new version. But not really.

  12. Re:We ain't dead yet! by amirulbahr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Each tab does run in its own process. A "persistent login" is usually implemented using a "session" on top of HTTP and usually using cookies. One would think, that a cookie is a cookie across all Chrome processes. That is the behaviour that one would expect and also the behaviour that has correctly been implemented in Chrome.

    Before your next troll, perhaps you should go and write a multi-process application, then go and write a web-application that stores login information in a session. Then think about what you just posted.

  13. Re:Eich twists the facts a little by randomc0de · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't like that Eich seems to not give any credit to Adobe at all for their contribution, and on top of that tries to belittle the effort of Google, who are technically paying their sallaries at Mozilla Corp.

    FTFA:

    This reminds me: TraceMonkey is only a few months old, excluding the Tamarin Tracing Nanojit contributed by Adobe (thanks again, Ed and co.!), which we've built on and enhanced with x86-64 support and other fixes. We've developed TraceMonkey in the open the whole way. And we're as fast as V8 on SunSpider!

    and

    V8 is great work, very well-engineered, with room to speed up too. (And Chrome looks good to great -- the multi-process architecture is righteous, but you expected no less praise from an old Unix hacker like me.)

    Yup, lots of credit-stealing and belittling going on there. Meanwhile, I don't like that you can't even spell "salaries" correctly. You see, I'm new here: I RTFA, point out inaccurate comments, and correct spelling. An unholy trinity I suppose.

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