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Sun Bare Metal Hypervisors Now GPLv3

ruphus13 writes with some more news for people foretelling the death of VMware. Sun has open sourced their xVM server, their bare-metal hypervisor virtualization solution. What used to once be the cash cow for VMware is now coming under increased threat, and Sun is once again turning to the Open Source community as a weapon. "Sun xVM Server is an outgrowth of the Xen project — which raises the question of why a company would go with Sun's version rather than the Xen one. Apart from its support for SPARC and Solaris (as well as other chips and operating systems), Sun is also building a services and sales organization around a commercial version of xVM server... If you want to kick the tires or cut your costs, you can hop over to xVMServer.org, download the source (GPL 3) and join the community. But Sun is betting that, as deployments move from an initial testing phase to active usage, large organizations will be willing to pay for guaranteed support (starting at $500 per year per physical server)."

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  1. cheap by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $500 bucks a year per physical server is pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things. Basically, you can try out and use it for free as you set the server(s) up, but when you go live, you can have the assurance that proper support brings. Or not. Your choice. Good move on Sun's part.

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    1. Re:cheap by spydum · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think it will be as successful as they hoped. Sun is far too late to this x86 virtualization game. LDOM's and Containers, and Xen are great technologies, but they just haven't been nearly as flexible as VMWare's offering. Management of the environments (LDOM/Containers/Xen guests) has been very kludgy. This is where VMWare has really gained dominance, and I suspect will retain it. They are years ahead in virtualization management.

    2. Re:cheap by PunkOfLinux · · Score: 4, Informative

      Truth be told, the new xVM from sun (they bought VirtualBox) is pretty good. Certainly better than VB used to be, since it'll now actually boot windows XP and stuff. If their bare metal stuff is as good, I may just jump ship here.

    3. Re:cheap by twiddlingbits · · Score: 5, Informative

      Thats not the full costs. I just looked at this the other day for my company. There are a lot of other costs involved if you want support and a 100% Sun solution guaranteed to work. I've also seen no benchmarks versus VMWare.
      Pricing Information
      Sun offers standalone subscriptions for Sun xVM Server software and Sun xVM Ops Center, as well as additional options that offer the combined benefits of the two products, allowing customers to virtualize and manage at Internet scale. Commercial subscriptions are priced annually in four-socket increments and provide premium 24X7 support, access to the latest, up-to-the-minute patches and updates, as well as installation and training. Available pricing options include:
      * Sun xVM Server software: Priced at $500/year per physical server.
      * Sun xVM Infrastructure Enterprise Subscription: Priced at $2000 per physical server per year, the enterprise subscription is designed to simplify the management of large scale virtualized environments and includes advanced features, such as management of live migration and of multiple network storage libraries.
      * Sun xVM Infrastructure Datacenter Subscription: Priced at $3000 per server per year, this option includes all the features in the Sun xVM Infrastructure Enterprise Subscription in addition to physical server monitoring, management and advanced software lifecycle management capabilities.
      * Sun xVM Ops Center: Available from $100 per managed server up to $350 a year, depending on customer selected features, along with a required $10,000 Satellite Server annual subscription for Sun xVM Ops Center.

      There are some significant technical restrictions as well if you dig deep you'll find
      Disk on which xVM server is installed
      * SATA or SAS (serial SCSI) * Fiber Channel to a JBOD * IDE disks are not supported
      Attached storage
      * NFS/TCP/IP/ethernet remote storage * CIFS remote storage
      Networking
      * Ethernet-based NICs supporting the Solaris GLDv3 driver specification * only MTUs of 1500 bytes are supported
      * For Windows guests, customers wanting full Microsoft support should run xVM Server on Windows Server 2008 logo certified hardware.

    4. Re:cheap by tji · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Xen is a paravirtualization technology, whereas VMWare is a straight-up virtualization technology.

      That may have been true at some point. But, Xen has long ago supported full hardware virtualization (allowing it to run an unmodified OS, such as Windows). And, VMware now supports paravirtualization via "VMI" which they got included in the standard Linux kernel.

      In any case, the more important issue is their management capabilities. Xen has struggled in the past because its management was weak compared to VMware. If Sun can put their resources into improving the management side of things, they could make an impact.

    5. Re:cheap by WilsonSD · · Score: 4, Informative

      We've already shipped over 6 million copies of our desktop hypervisor (xVM VirtualBox), which is available under GPL v2 from virtualBox.org. You should go check it out.

      We're putting a lot of resources into virtualization and we're going to surprise people.

      -Steve Wilson

      VP, xVM
      Sun Microsystems
      http://blogs.sun.com/stevewilson

  2. Slightly OT , but can someone explain... by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... why a VM has to "support" a given OS such as Vista or Solaris or Linux?

    FTA: "Apart from its support for SPARC and Solaris..."

    Surely if these VMs truly are PCs emulated in software with standard emulated devices then surely any OS than runs on the PC architecture and has drivers for these devices will install and run on these VMs regardless?

  3. not a milk cow by michalk0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    vmware does not make its money on bare metal hypervisor. It makes a fortune, and is actually doing pretty good, on enterprise products like vmware infrastructure or virtual desktop environment.
    Actually their bare metal hypervisor - ESXi comes for free as well (although not GPLed, but we're not talking about ideology here are we)

  4. view the code - not run it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://kenai.com/projects/xvmserver/forums/120-Announcements/topics/59-First-open-source-release-of-xVM-Server?

    This release is designed to allow interested parties to view the code - not run it. It will be some time in the future before we have all of the pieces available for you to compile and run your own copy of xVM Server.

    But stay tuned, we're getting there :-)

    scott

  5. Re:ZFS by BrainInAJar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh, and one more thing. Read that wiki article you posted. The CDDL isn't the problem, it's that Linux's license doesn't permit linking. Not the other way around.

    So, why not quit complaining about the permissive license ZFS is under, and start complaining about the restrictive license Linux is under? ( your post should read "Please put Linux under a new license" )

  6. Re:Does xVM really support SPARC? by WilsonSD · · Score: 4, Informative

    xVM Ops Center supports SPARC and xVM Systems. The current version of xVM Server is focused on x86/x64 platforms, but you can use xVM Ops Center to manage Solaris virtualization technologies like Solaris Containers.

    http://wikis.sun.com/display/xvmOC1dot1/Managing+Solaris+Containers+With+Sun+xVM+Ops+Center

    -Steve Wilson
    VP, xVM
    Sun Microsystems
    http://blogs.sun.com/stevewilson

  7. Re:ZFS by BrainInAJar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Linux is Linux because it was at the right place ( PC's ) at the right time ( BSDi getting sued, no other free UNIX, no UNIX that was worthwhile for the 386 ), nothing more nothing less.

  8. Re:cheap - Bad statistics would lie if they could by kscguru · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The FUD machine is in full swing today!

    So... disclaimer. I'm a VMware employee, so I do know all about both these benchmarks (even if I had nothing to do with them). Agree the first VMware benchmark was quite skewed, looking at Xen instead of XenSource. The XenSource benchmark showed up, it showed Xen ahead in system-call microbenchmarks (hardware virtualization does well there, but lots of system calls with no I/O isn't representative of the real world) and more or less even on everything else. VMware approved XenSource's whitepaper for publication about two weeks later (which, BTW, is no longer on Citrix's website and not visible on Google). The comparison was not apples-to-apples - XenSource switched from Xen 3.0 to Xen 3.2 in the comparison, and didn't make any software-virtualization/hardware-virtualization tweaks. In other words, XenSource's benchmark was just as skewed as VMware's. And everybody who knows anything about benchmarking knows it.

    The summary of that whole mess: XenSource / Simon Crosby got more PR mileage out of making a big deal of EULA restrictions than from any actual performance comparison. They never cared about a performance comparison - it was all a PR stunt to get a great big /REDACTED/ document posted to news sites / blogs.

    VMware does not forbid negative benchmarks; they do forbid stupid benchmarks. Usually, some amateur runs Passmark 2D, which is a system-call microbenchmark that doesn't even keep time correctly in a virtual machine. Every single person complaining about that EULA has never bothered submitting results - almost all submissions get approved.

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  9. Re:Is Sun astroturfing a product? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's "astroturfing" when you try to create an impression of a grassroots support campaign. A post signed by a high-ranking company official with no attempt to hide the fact that he's representing a company is as far from that as it gets. And kudos to Sun for taking /. seriously.