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Virtual Reality Cocoon Being Designed

gurps_npc writes "CNN reports that a company called 'NAU' is working on an Immersion Cocoon that seems inspired by ST:TNG's Holodeck. The images are only 2D, and you can't touch them. But it is 360-degree video and sound, with light sensors to detect your hand movements and floor sensors to detect foot movements. They hope to have a prototype by October 2009."

103 comments

  1. Why a VR cocoon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's wrong with real cocoons?

    1. Re:Why a VR cocoon? by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      They contain facehuggers?

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    2. Re:Why a VR cocoon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the kind that sit on your face.

  2. What will nintendo call it? by LiENUS · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously this is the replacement for the Wii, but what will Nintendo call this one?

    1. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Amuro-Ray · · Score: 1

      Probably the "Wii-Two" ;)

    2. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Aazzkkimm · · Score: 1

      Wii-R ?

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    3. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      Compltely enclosed? Clearly it will be called the Wii 2mb!

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    4. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wii Personal Environment, or WiiPE for short.

    5. Re:What will nintendo call it? by wesleynixon · · Score: 1

      Wumb ...see what I did there?

    6. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      The Wii640kb should be enough for anybody.

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    7. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Wii sequel would be the Wii 2. 2=Two+mb=Tomb, aka completely enclosed...

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    8. Re:What will nintendo call it? by SeekerDarksteel · · Score: 2, Funny

      Puu?

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    9. Re:What will nintendo call it? by HubHikari · · Score: 1

      Wii sequel would be the Wii 2. 2=Two+mb=Tomb, aka completely enclosed...

      Okay, I realize jokes aren't funny if you have to explain them, but you said 2mb, hence 2 MB, two megabytes. GP was referring to the 640kb memory limit, which at the time of its inception was thought to be more than anyone ever needed.

    10. Re:What will nintendo call it? by MR.Mic · · Score: 1

      iPod makes the most sense.

    11. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wiii

    12. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. several layers of poster who don't get their parents humor, and over-explaining how the parents parents joke was funny. This is Slashdork at its best.

      We need a +1 Whooosh rating.

    13. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Jamil+Karim · · Score: 1

      Obviously this is the replacement for the Wii, but what will Nintendo call this one?

      Piinis.

    14. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1
      Apparently, according to the reporter, this will be a replacement for "historical education". From the hilarious 2nd paragraph of the article:

      Educational historical journeys are just one possible use of the Immersive Cocoon

      "Possible"? Sure. Likely? I suspect that the ratio between its usage for adult entertainment vs. educational purposes will be somewhere in the range of the internets. Eleventy billion to 1. Roughly.

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    15. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      Seriously. This thread has cracked me up! Wait...was there humor in your post that I missed?! Crap! I may be restarting the cycle!!

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    16. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wirtual Holographic Environment Emulator, or WHEE! for short.

    17. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iWii

    18. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Funny

      You could combine the two. Visit Joan of Arc and see her get burned at the stake. And then fuck her.

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    19. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFTER she's been burned at the stake? Ummm... can't I have a go BEFORE?

    20. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Kingrames · · Score: 2, Informative

      actually that would be millibits. But we get you.

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    21. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone else's product?

    22. Re:What will nintendo call it? by spazdor · · Score: 1

      Isn't it hilarious how we're all jumping into the thread to talk about how funny the thread is?

      We are so funny!

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    23. Re:What will nintendo call it? by rts008 · · Score: 1

      WII Gotta Go NOW!!!

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    24. Re:What will nintendo call it? by rts008 · · Score: 1

      you are truly evil!?!?!?!...I Think!?) NSFW!!!

      Damn, you can find stuff you can't always imagine (or want to know about!) on the internet!
      2 girls, one cup
      ; Goatse; tubgirl; Rick-Rolling, etc....

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    25. Re:What will nintendo call it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! You're all mistaken! The thread is not funny... Is it?

    26. Re:What will nintendo call it? by bobzieruncle · · Score: 1

      Obviously this is the replacement for the Wii, but what will Nintendo call this one?

      How about the Wii Wii?

  3. Holodeck, huh? by StefanJ · · Score: 2, Funny

    So from now on half of the episodes of our lives will take place in one of these pods?

    1. Re:Holodeck, huh? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And of course 90% of that time there will be some sort of glitch just to make things interesting.

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    2. Re:Holodeck, huh? by Inschato · · Score: 1

      Expect heavy delays, and then it will get packaged with other episodes you already have.

  4. Next week on TNG by Amuro-Ray · · Score: 1

    I can't wait to get stuck in a holodeck simulation for 30 - 40 minutes until Brent Spiner fixes the problem spontaneously. The part of the article where Schaedler discusses using the technology shopping online. Imagine that popup no longer showing up in the fixed confines of a computer screen, but being able to completely fudge your 360 degree view screen with a wonderful "Guess what you just won!" tagline. Still, sounds like a great technology for educational purposes, as the article suggests.

    1. Re:Next week on TNG by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 2, Funny

      > being able to completely fudge your 360 degree view screen with a wonderful "Guess what you just won!" tagline.

      It's worse than that. Imagine...

      360-degree full-immersion goatse.cx.

  5. I guess it's press release time. by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Vague details in the article, ideas for its application, comparisons to a sci-fi program, ...blah blah, yadda yadda...not here yet...press release to get funding...blah...

    My proof:

    NAU hopes to complete its prototype Cocoon by October 2009, with models commercially available by 2014. Initially, it's intended to be used in public spaces or to be leased by companies, until the technology becomes cheap enough for the consumer market. But where NAU are creating an escape from the real world, others are working on ways of merging virtual information with the real world.

    So this is the second 'article' with no substance.

    1. Re:I guess it's press release time. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      No, it's true. It will be released as a set-top box called "Phantom".

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  6. virtual reality FPS by agent4256 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this mean we're now one step closer to virtual reality fps games? So i can take on my friends in Halo, and actually have to run around to do anything instead of just sit on my couch and move my thumbs? rock on! sign me up. i _want_ one...

    1. Re:virtual reality FPS by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      No doubt that strict couch regimen has you in top physical form to do anything that involves extended physical exertion.

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    2. Re:virtual reality FPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So i can take on my friends in Halo, and actually have to run around to do anything instead of just sit on my couch and move my thumbs?

      Yes, it's called paintball.

    3. Re:virtual reality FPS by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      That's the child version. Real men play "War". There's a RTS version too. It's called "Global thermonuclear war". It's pretty short tough. ;)

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  7. Will it have... by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will it have a porn, I mean, privacy mode?

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    1. Re:Will it have... by Psyberian · · Score: 1

      For just $9.95 a minute you can have the time of your life billed to your credit card or phone bill. Just be sure the person you are talking to is what you want, some surprises are could be far worse in 3d then 2d.

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    2. Re:Will it have... by tmosley · · Score: 1

      More importantly, will it be "fluid"-proof?

    3. Re:Will it have... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Will it have a porn, I mean, privacy mode?"

      At last, the perfect way to enjoy my endoscope porn collection!

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  8. Just one request... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please let it come with a tissue box holder, a lotion dispenser, and easily washable interior.

  9. Holodeck by alxkit · · Score: 0

    lemme guess: we will have it on the market in 5 years, right after the flying cars.

    1. Re: Holodeck by compro01 · · Score: 1

      TFA seems to suggest 6 years, so maybe it can dodge the 5 year effect, provided no one updates us on it for a couple years.

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    2. Re: Holodeck by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      lemme guess: we will have it on the market in 5 years, right after the flying cars.

      Once we get these babies all work on flying cars will stop. And so will work on anything else.

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  10. Yawn... Welcome to the 1990s. by retchdog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a consumer-grade version of this, with an added motion-sensor for walking:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_Automatic_Virtual_Environment

    Yes, this "cocoon" doesn't require the shutter glasses, but that's because it doesn't even try for 3-D. Lame.

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    1. Re:Yawn... Welcome to the 1990s. by zobier · · Score: 1

      When will someone either come up with full-body haptics or a direct neural interface.
      I'm voting for the former, I really don't want a script kiddie raiding my brain.

      When I google it it seems that people are concentrating mainly on stimulating touch receptors.
      While that's an important component, I want something like a suspended exoskeleton
      to provide actual force feedback to as many muscle groups as possible.

      Bring on the virtual wushu.

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    2. Re:Yawn... Welcome to the 1990s. by infestedsenses · · Score: 1

      I want something like a suspended exoskeleton to provide actual force feedback to as many muscle groups as possible.

      That's some heavy porn you're into.

    3. Re:Yawn... Welcome to the 1990s. by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      Well, it would be like walking around with one eye. So it's not too bad. They could easily get around this limitation with dual projectors and polarized glasses.

    4. Re:Yawn... Welcome to the 1990s. by retchdog · · Score: 1

      If cost and injury-in-testing were no object, we'd have had this done a decade ago. There is however little benefit in such a device.

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  11. Carefull by geekoid · · Score: 1

    This was submitted by Gurps_NPC, getting through one post will take an hour! Most of the effort you go through will be in tiny increments while nothing is really accomplished.

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  12. Re:What will nintendo call it? Two letters, i. e. by davidsyes · · Score: 0

    Wierd...

    So, of you get hose over in your cocoon, you can cry "au nau"... Or, if you LIKE it in there, say, "Hau nau braun cau"... (LOL)

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  13. Re:Will it have... Are you looking for switches? by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    Like, cockoon and cockoof?

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  14. That would require . . . by StefanJ · · Score: 1

    . . . a WOD server at the other end.

    Hmm?

    "Wank On Demand."

    1. Re:That would require . . . by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      wod? sounds like Warner Brothers virtual sex:

      Elmer Fudd: Take my thwobbing wide wod, bitch!
      Bugs Bunny: Ow Doc! For shame, poking us poor rabbits in the keister with an elephant gun!

  15. Newsflash by npace · · Score: 2, Funny

    You can't see it on the picture but it has a little opening on the side where the food comes from.
    I also heard it's designed to project war videos and play Beethoven.

    And yes, it will run the new HP Linux.

  16. Shopping for books in 3D? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is interesting technology, but I'm not sure the examples in the article were thought through all that well.

    Imagine Amazon.com being fully 3D. We could walk through a 3D space where you have all the books lined up, and you could walk right up to a book.

    That might make sense if you were just browsing, although there are a lot of ways to sift through books which don't map well to inanimate shelves. What if you know which book you want, though? Do you look up the title, author, publisher, etc. in a digital representation of a manual card catalog, and then spend at least a couple minutes walking over to the indicated location? (Just how many books does Amazon sell, anyway? How many miles of shelves would it take to hold them all?) That seems like a lot more work than using the much-derided keyboard & screen we have already.

    Virtual shoppers might be able to take books off their shelves and read a sample, or even ask other virtual customers for recommendations.

    You can already read samples on a regular screen, and most of the people I know who don't care to read off a 2D computer screen wouldn't be much happier with the immersive 3D equivalent; they want to actually experience the book's weight, texture, and smell. Recommendations, in turn, are more valuable when you can correlate what everyone has said about the item whether or not they happen to be hanging around at that exact moment. In a purely interactive system there probably wouldn't be anyone around to ask most of the time.

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    1. Re:Shopping for books in 3D? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That might make sense if you were just browsing, although there are a lot of ways to sift through books which don't map well to inanimate shelves. What if you know which book you want, though? Do you look up the title, author, publisher, etc. in a digital representation of a manual card catalog, and then spend at least a couple minutes walking over to the indicated location?

      In Cocoon version 1.0, yes. But don't worry. In version 2.0 people will be able to use a virtual computer and mouse to browse the amazon website for the book they're looking for.

    2. Re:Shopping for books in 3D? by Aetuneo · · Score: 1

      So, what you're saying is that it's like a bookstore, but without being able to read all of the books, or actually touch the books, and it will give me a headache if I try to spend more than an hour or so looking through the catalog (because of the screens). It won't even be as useful as a normal computer, because it will be much more difficult to search and browse around (in terms of having to walk). And there won't be anyone to talk to. Who could possibly think that this is a good idea?

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  17. So really... by pcgabe · · Score: 5, Funny

    [...] an Immersion Cocoon that seems inspired by ST:TNG's Holodeck. The images are only 2D, and you can't touch them.

    So, not at all like the Holodeck, then?

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    1. Re:So really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he meant it's like ST in that the hologram generator will occasionally malfunction and the holograms will turn evil and come to life.

    2. Re:So really... by tabrnaker · · Score: 1
      Well, it did say inspired by ST:TNG's Holodeck

      They just failed miserably in the implementation :)

  18. Don't forget... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Cleaning.

    Automated cleaning system would be great, but in absence of that (until scientists create sperm-powered nanobots) a easy-to-clean non-stick surface would be a must.

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  19. Already a reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're in one right now!

  20. I wonder... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    How do they plan to deal with the issue of... well... farts.

    Also... Smoking.

    Won't anyone please think of the smokers?

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    1. Re:I wonder... by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      Even more importantly, it needs to have some kind of self-cleaning function, to get the splooge off the walls after a session. Better be fairly waterproof on the inside, too.

    2. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course we think of the smokers. How could we discriminate against them if we didn't think about them?

  21. Another virtual reality device.. by sleeponthemic · · Score: 1

    I'm sure one day there will devices that live up to the hype but for the moment it is difficult to view those two words with anything less than extreme skepticism.

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  22. Great! by zunicron · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I can't wait for the Orgasmatron!!!

  23. I'd be impressed... by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd b impressed if they could just come up with a floor where I could walk/run in any direction and it would keep me in place. Do that, and then we're talking about something.

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    1. Re:I'd be impressed... by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 2, Informative
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    2. Re:I'd be impressed... by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      This is a simpler solution shown on /. before. Not as good for running though.

      http://www.virtusphere.net/product.htm

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    3. Re:I'd be impressed... by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Video of better tech. Annoying whistling not included.

    4. Re:I'd be impressed... by am+2k · · Score: 1

      I used one of these once on a conference. It's an interesting concept, but it doesn't really work that well. The whole thing has a huge inertness due to its mass. This means that you have to do large steps to get it to move, and then it's hard to get it to stop. Abrupt movements are out of the question.

      I think one person on that conference actually fell while trying it.

      Additionally, it doesn't really feel like walking in a virtual environment, since you can feel that sphere underneath your feet. Maybe hamster wheel feeling describes it better (not that I've ever been in one).

  24. Virtual MMORPG by Dgawld · · Score: 1

    Like it wasn't bad enough that Massively Multiplayer Online RolePlaying Games took over a lot of peoples lives with regular playing on Monitor. With innovations in this field it is extremely likely the multi-billion dollar gaming industry will take part in a completely virtual video game. MMORPGS and FPS are the most probable i believe but theres room for any genre to have placement.

  25. Recursive: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virtual Reality Cocoon Being Designed ... Remains Virtual"

  26. Just don't ask Sherlock Holmes characters... by nathan.fulton · · Score: 1

    ...to out-wit the local android. You have been warned.

  27. Say Hi to Minuet by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    Anyone recall the ST:TNG episode where the command crew is put on a holodeck copy of the Enterprise and only Riker figures out something is wrong when he comes "home" to his fav holo-p0rn character as his "wife" ? Assuming the aliens had full access to holo-logs, hmmm. I sense respectable companies not making certain attachments...and less scrupulous ones making them

    1. Re:Say Hi to Minuet by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      No, Riker was the only one who was in the simulation. The alien didn't have access to any holodeck logs, only Riker's memory.

      That was a pretty cool episode up until the ending, which was lame!

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  28. So it's a fancy CAVE. by Max+Threshold · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So they built a fancy CAVE in a shiny plastic sphere. I've wanted to build something like this since it became attainable without a research budget. Just network a few PCs and hook them up to five or six heavily diffused projectors pointed at the outside of a translucent cube. The ultimate innovation would be to let the user walk around on the surface of a giant trackball...

  29. Can anyone say iLawsuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long before Apple issue a iLawsuit to iCocoon?

    ~iAC

  30. Ahhhh, the Blue Pill by Talkischeap · · Score: 1

    It's obviously a prototype Blue Pill.

    The Matrix is (almost) real.

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    1. Re:Ahhhh, the Blue Pill by operator_error · · Score: 1

      I hear that if you opt for the prototype red pill, you may never know what's what.

      Also, from what I gather, the blue pill has undergone far more load-testing than the red. Your mileage may vary of course; and may the force be with you in every which case, er, (I think).

  31. Venture Bros... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't the Venture Brothers already do this one?

  32. Sorry, some Canadians beat you to it by jm2morri · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a company with headquarters in Kitchener, Ontario, Canada (just down the road from RIM in one of the few buildings in the area that RIM doesn't own) that has been doing this for many years now.

    Check out the public docs at
    http://www.christiedigital.com/AMEN/Markets/AdvancedVisualization/

    Did you see the opening or closing ceremonies of the Olympics? All of that projection was done with Christie equipment. And their 3D submersive stuff is crazy. They have intentionally stayed away from more consumer stuff, so not many people have heard of them. But anyone in the industry has.

    Full disclosure: I'm doing some contract work there right now. But what they are doing is really amazing.

  33. Alluding to another movie... by starglider29a · · Score: 1

    Alluding to another movie...

    It shows immersive images of beauty and grandeur, while playing 'light classical' music. And at the end, the food comes OUT of the little opening.

    "It's green"

    Set in 2022, Edward G. Robinson was 62. Which means his character was born the same year as I was. And that's only 14 years away.

  34. From the caption: by Normal+Dan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Immersive Cocoon could revolutionize the way we interact with computers.

    Unfortunately, it wont.

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  35. At first glance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't be the only one who misread the title as

    Virtual Reality Raccoon Being Designed

    ...can I..? (Hmmm actually I guess I can. :-/ )

  36. Re: already exists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnidirectional_treadmill ? :)

    Don't forget to check out the youtube link from that page. (* If you watch the video, you'll realize it's not perfect yet.)

  37. That looks a little bit too much like the ... by MenThal · · Score: 2, Funny
  38. Already Have One Of These by DougF · · Score: 0

    It's called Bed, and it starts automatically when I close my eyes. 25 years ago I installed the "Wife" Upgrade. The Upgrade can be intermittent and touchy, but really delivers in the clinches...

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  39. A meme is born... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

    Ah, jesss, but will it run Linux^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hhave privacy^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hporn mode?

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  40. Its called ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The White House

    woot - catptcha was 'condom'

  41. Porn, porn, porn wonderful porn by jamyskis · · Score: 1

    I think this sort of display device will put a new perspective on how geeks enjoy their pr0n...virtual reality where the women really are that superficial...

  42. Cocoon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's a cocoon? Is it another word for a ninigger?

  43. I'm not impressed. by Oidhche · · Score: 1

    It's only 360-degree? I was hoping for 4pi steradian.

  44. NOOOOOO!!! by rts008 · · Score: 1

    Okay, Iv've been goatse.cx'ed before, but at 5'10@240 lb.'s, even goatse seems too small for me to fit into.

    Heh,Heh: let the /. n00bs be just as twisted!! Click the Link!! Click the Link!!!

    Now to go scrub my brain out with bleach!!!

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