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RIAA and MPAA Developing Domain-Based DRM
An anonymous reader points out news that the music and movie studios are attempting to develop a new type of DRM that would allow customers more flexibility in playing content on multiple devices. The Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem (DECE) would establish a list of devices in your personal "domain" (unrelated to web domains), and minimizes or removes restrictions within that domain. TechCrunch summarizes DECE and notes that many of the big corporations have decided to support it.
"The ecosystem envisioned by Singer et al revolves around a common set of formats, interfaces and other standards. Devices built to the DECE specifications would be able to play any DECE-branded content and work with any DECE-certified service. The goal is to create for downloads the same kind of interoperability that's been true for physical products, such as CDs and DVDs. Where it gets really interesting, though, is the group's stated intention to make digital files as flexible and permissive as CDs, at least within the confines of someone's personal domain. Once you've acquired a file, you could play it on any of your devices -- if it couldn't be passed directly from one DECE-ready device to another, you'd be allowed to download additional copies. And when you're away from home, you could stream the file to any device with a DECE-compatible Web browser."
Isn't that REALLY close to the permission system Apple has for Fairplay?
In practice, this can only work if the implementation of DECE is a trade secret, which means implementing it in hobbyist devices or open source software is impossible. Sounds like something the device manufacturers would love, since it gives them a nice big barrier to entry.
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You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.
Because I've never taken a cd to a friend's place, used it in someone else's car (or a hire car), or given one away to a friend when I didn't want it any more.
Fuck that, I'll stick to the CD, which I can rip myself.
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The problem with DRM is that DRM requires a server out on the Internet to give me permission to listen to the music, or to watch the movies, I have purchased. Without that server, the content I purchase are little more than a random collection of useless data bits.
Look at those people who foolishly bought into Microsoft's DRM for music. In a short while, Microsoft will be turning off the DRM server, and all the music thus "protected" by Microsoft's DRM will be unusable.
Do you really want to give the RIAA an on/off switch for your ability to listen to your media collection?
Blackhat developing domain-based crack.
Well, back to rejecting software patent applications.
A few problems: /. et al) because of its downfalls in terms of flexibility. Take that away, DRM seems more reasonable to Joe College, his parents, and his little sister.
1. Co-Option! TFA: "it [DECE] could be a very good thing for consumers." Ever heard of the concept of a co-option? The anti-DRM movement has so much public support (outside of
2. More centralization, more big corporations, less privacy, and another chance for IE to redeem itself. TFS: "you could stream the file to any device with a DECE-compatible Web browser" And what exactly does DECE compatability mean? Does this mean my real identity is broadcast when I use a browser? If so, Will it be disabled by default?
3. Use your MP3 player/computer for storage of non-music files? Think again.
TFA: "The caveats: the devices have to be registered electronically to that user, and the copyright holder gets to limit the total number of devices customers may register."
Considering the history of DRM, I wouldn't be surprised if this means both corporations AND whoever cracks their methods gets to see everything.
... as long as it's IE (possibly Opera or Safari).
Unless this form of DRM is radically different from its predecessors, it will only be supported on closed-source browsers, which eliminates Firefox, Chrome, and Konqueror.
I really don't see anything new here - we already have standard formats like mp3 and mpeg-4 (aka XviD) that play on a variety of devices. This new plan looks like a great way for DECE to profit from licensing and certification fees, but not much else.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
A compost pile is an ecosystem. So I'm suggesting HEAP - Helpless Effort to Accumulate Profit (of shit)
Something that always gets overlooked is how this is also an attempt to kill off the second-hand market. As has been said before, their ultimate goals are to get paid for every viewing and listen, and to cut those pesky greedy artists out of the deal entirely.
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What do you bet that was the original full project name? ;)
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Once you've acquired a file, you could play it on any of your devices
Can't I do that anyway? Oh wait...
You really have to think that after 10 years of consumers telling the labels and studios what they want, and then voting with their feet when they don't get it, it would have sunk into even the head of the thickest *AA dinosaur. In the annals of colossal stupidity, the last 10 years of IP wars will have to rank pretty near the top.
Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.
What does this give me that I don't get with P2P?
Actually it sounds more like a spinoff of PlaysForSure. Personally they can keep it. I'm sick of companies either treating us like criminals or making us do a little monkey dance just to use what we PAID for. And people wonder why piracy is rampant? It is because the pirates are the only ones not having to jump through hoops just to watch or listen to the cartels precious IP. And yet here we see again that they never learn and won't be happy until they run off their very last customer. Because how many of you are going to want to buy all your media devices AGAIN just so they can support this latest DRM BS? But as always this is my 02c,YMMV
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Repeat after me: All DRM is inherently defective and bad for consumers. Consider the baseline: completely unfettered media. You can do with it whatever you want.
All forms of DRM add fetters to that situation without giving any additional abilities or functionality. There is absolutely nothing that can be done with DRMed media that cannot be done (in a technical sense) with unfettered media.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
In other words, not at all the same as CDs.
"In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
The music 'industry' really needs to rethink their 20th-century mentality. Where one monolithic entity (posing as several individual global corporations) controls culture for everyone by distributing entertainment 'packages' from one central source. And by bringing the full force of state-controlled legal violence against anyone stepping outside of this Stalinist framework. There really is no difference in the mind-set between the RIAA and Soviet Orwellian Ministry of Culture. Neither of them work well in the real world; which consists of real people and real culture that can't be controlled by a centralized authority.
The only thing that government-controlled (or corporate-controlled) culture does is create a vast and illegal underground counter-culture. Artists end up imprisoned or spending all their creative energy hiding, fighting, or defending their work against the corporate Stalinist cement-heads. Society suffers, people suffer, other people and nations advance and your culture and people don't.
Culture and Art comes from the bottom up, not the top down. Especially in an era of inexpensive and widely available technology like high resolution digital video cameras, software audio mixing studios, and internet high-speed media distribution.
My advice is to stop sucking on Hollywood's Grand Tetons, get some gear, learn some literary and music theory, create your own works, distribute them discretely among your own trusted people, and ignore the RIAA/MIAA.
And for goodness sake's don't let the cement-heads steal your culture. We need to completely change our mentality from believing that artistic success is being a 'rock star' to a mentality where being an artistic success consists of being able to keep our important and meaningful works of art hidden from Hollywood.
It shouldn't bother you, either. DRM doesn't affect people who aren't criminals. So don't worry about it unless you're a filthy thief, then you're only getting what you deserve.
If only this were true...
In reality, it only affects the people who don't pirate things.
For example, my copy of Spore restricts my to three installations. That's it. So between my desktop and my laptop, thats two right there. Then, if I have to format one for whatever reason...there's my third. After that, I can't play it if I get a new PC, or if for some reason I have to format again, now I can't play the game I legally BOUGHT and PAID for, without jumping through all kinds of hoops with EA's customer service, with one of those being interrogated like I was a criminal for the reason I needed more than three installs. I PAID for this game!
And then, on the other hand, you have the pirates who got the same release date, didn't pay a dime, and get MORE flexibilty with the product, and can install it on as many PCs they like. It's this kind of comparison that makes people who don't want to steal from the developers (myself included) start to seriously think about pirating in the future.
DRM doesn't prevent piracy. It encourages it.
Piracy is rampant because it's easy to get stuff for free and not get caught. It has nothing to do with DRM.
Years of watching people swap 120 minute cassettes of non-DRM'ed Spectrum games (which could be bought for less than $6 each) has made that obvious.
It doesn't matter if the music/games/films are cheap or without DRM as you just can't beat free for a lot of people.
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One solution is to switch to a different business model -- make your money from touring, and treat everything else as promotional material.
If a few million people have heard your music because it was pirated, or because it was (illegally!) attached as a soundtrack to a funny YouTube video, well, it's hard (impossible?) to buy publicity that good, and you just got it for free.
In fact, there was a great article about this -- basically arguing that because of how ridiculously greedy the publishers and studios are, you're actually better off playing in bars and nightclubs than you are signing with a major label.
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It shouldn't bother you, either. DRM doesn't affect people who aren't criminals. So don't worry about it unless you're a filthy thief, then you're only getting what you deserve.
You were modded funny, but I am worried that you were being serious. The problem with DRM is not only its inconvenience, but its inherent anti-competitiveness. Since the whole idea of DRM is based on security in obscurity, it is impossible to create cross-platform DRM, thereby tying people to one platform and preventing them from trying others, like Linux, or even switching between other mainstream operating systems.
I say that instead of targeting pirates (unrelated: copyright infringement is comparable to pillaging?) the *AAs need to look into their business model. They truly aren't needed anymore (whether they ever were need not be discussed) and should be allowed to die out.
Oh, just another rant about the horrors of DRM...
Piracy is rampant because it's easy to get stuff for free and not get caught. It has nothing to do with DRM.
So...if it's easy (and it is), what's the point of the DRM then? All it takes is one bored kid from the Netherlands and item X is now on the net for free. The only people the DRM hassles are the paying customers.
It doesn't matter if the music/games/films are cheap or without DRM as you just can't beat free for a lot of people.
And yet, these people who will never buy item X at any price, but will only accept it for free - the industry counts each one as a lost sale when they do their reports on how much piracy costs.
These people you mention who only like their product for free - how does it hurt the industry if they cannot pirate something? They'd never buy it in the first place. It adds up to zero no matter if they get it for free or not.
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rediculous.
Sound is analog. ""Digital" music is simply a digital encoding of an analog signal, if you convert it back to analog, copy the analog signal, and then re-encode it into digital you will have a digital signal, but this time without whatever bullshit encryption was on it to begin with. Yes, you will get some degradation in the process, but I can guarantee you that this can be made VERY minor, and certainly much less significant than the compression algorithms used to reduce the file size. Any statistical noise can be dealt with by repeating the process and average the result, systematic errors will be no worse than those inherent in the equipment you end up using to listen to it.
Yeah so their evil marketing attempt is to still make it seem like a bonus; they will eventually have reached their goal when we assume that we have no granted rights to begin with, from there on, any right will seem as a bonus. Maybe that's their idea of how this should continue.
Power corrupts the few, while weakness corrupts the many.
Piracy is rampant because it's easy to get stuff for free and not get caught. It has nothing to do with DRM.
It's actually quite possible to sell people stuff they can get for free (eg., Cable TV, bottled water, DVDs of TV shows.) You just have to add some sort of value to the free product, such as convenience or quality. DRM is backwards, it lessens the value of the paid-for product.
"Knowledge is the only instrument of production that is not subject to diminishing returns" -Journal of Political Econom
Just re-encode the MP3s as FLAC. Problem solved!
I don't think you caught what he was referring to. Cable TV was originally and partially still is the sale of over-the-air stations that can be had for free, delivered via wire. TV Season DVDs are selling you something you could have already recorded for free. All three of those are simply sale of free+convenient.