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Judge Rules Defense Can Get DUI Machine Source Code

pfleming alerts us to developments in Arizona on a subject we have frequently discussed (e.g. FL, MN, NJ): efforts in DUI cases to obtain source code to devices that analyze blood alcohol levels. On Friday a Pima County Superior Court judge ruled that the software that powers the Intoxilyzer 8000 must be revealed to defense lawyers. "Defense attorneys representing more than 20 people arrested on felony DUI charges agreed to consolidate their cases into one and to argue it before [Judge] Bernini ... The source codes are crucial because the Intoxilyzer 8000 sometimes gives 'weird' or inexplicable results ... Six other states have been battling CMI [maker of the Intoxilyzer] over the source code — Minnesota, Florida, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Tennessee and New Jersey... CMI has currently racked up over $1.2 million in fines in a civil contempt order for not disclosing the source code in Florida."

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  1. Why not prosecute? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm sorry, but if a company is making it impossible for DUI prosecutions to be done fairly, the company officers should be sitting in jail whilst we wait to find out if they can get the source code together or not.

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    1. Re:Why not prosecute? by Courageous · · Score: 5, Informative

      It doesn't require a prosecution. If the judge gets irritated enough regarding their civil contempt, he can jail them summarily until they comply. I think, however, that judges are often reluctant to do this.

      I should imagine that there is a long list of well established procedures for handling contempt. While I think it's well within a judge's power to jail almost indefinitely for contempt until the contempt is remedied, I suspect that there are rules of jurisprudence that govern them otherwise to some degree.

      The contempt charges can continue indefinitely by the way. They will have to reveal their code eventually or go bankrupt, and this still won't get them out of contempt. IOW, it's only a matter of time before they reveal, and they are being immensely stupid.

      There is this story (urban legend?) that Larry Flint of Hustler fame was fined $10K per day for contempt once. He sent the fine in pennies. In response, the Judge said he liked pennies and would gladly accept $50K a day paid in pennies.

      One should not baldly thwart the judge. Makes you wonder who their lawyers are.

      C//

    2. Re:Why not prosecute? by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hmm - they don't seem to hesitate much when the issue is a news reporter refusing to testify about sources. It seems like this kind of discretion is reserved for corrupt C-level officers...

  2. Idiotic by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In court documents, Deputy Pima County Attorney Robin Schwartz said the defense attorneys' requests "bear all the hallmarks of a fishing expedition." Common sense shows that people rely on software and source-code information for everyday matters, Schwartz argued. One just looks at the results to know if something works or not. Schwartz used electricity as an example. "No one . . . needs to see a schematic of wiring to know that when he flips the switch on the wall, the light will come on," Schwartz said.

    Um, that assumes that you are comparing the result with a known value. The point of a breathalyzer is to determine an unknown value.

    Unless of course this attorney is saying that they already know the accused are drunk, in which case the breathalyzer is redundant.

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  3. Re:cheers! by paitre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This isn't about OpenSource.

    It's about making sure that the device providing so-called scientific evidence for use at trial is producing evidence properly and -accurately-.

    I'm surprised it isn't already on the books that source code for devices such as this be disclosed for that purpose already.

  4. Sixth Ammedment by mangu · · Score: 4, Informative

    the accused shall enjoy the right ... to be confronted with the witnesses against him;

    In this case the withess is a machine, he has the constitutional right to know how that machine works

    1. Re:Sixth Ammedment by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, the witness is the police officer who administered the sobriety test. The machine is just one of the pieces of evidence that the officer uses to make an arrest.

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    2. Re:Sixth Ammedment by Skapare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the police officer relies on the reading from the device, then it is not really the police officer's judgment being presented, but just a re-iteration of what he read. Is the police officer able to testify about the accuracy of the device? Is the police officer able to testify about whether a device driver that reads values from an ADC register is doing so with the correct clock synchronization to ensure that does skew the time differential meaning of the results?

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    3. Re:Sixth Ammedment by PacketShaper · · Score: 4, Informative

      Absolutely. Many lawyers have successfully defended their clients due to testimony from witnesses with a history of lying or being otherwise discredited.

  5. Well, there's one solution to all this ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    rule that all programming used for government functions be open source, unless there's an overriding reason for it to be closed. This outfit appears to have manufactured and marketed a fundamentally flawed piece of technology that may very well have resulted in prison time for innocent people. Not acceptable ... a manufacturer's need to maintain a competitive edge should not be held more important than our right to not be falsely accused and wrongly imprisoned. Now, of course there may be other issues with CMI's product other than the firmware, but a detailed examination of the code is a good first step.

    Furthermore, the people responsible for the decision to market the Intoxilyzer should be held accountable for the device's failures, especially if they sold it knowing that the design was defective. Sure, it costs more money to properly certify a design, and to implement effective quality controls. Still, if auto manufacturers have to suffer multi-million-dollar lawsuits over tiny flaws in vehicle design, these guys should hardly get off scot-free.

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  6. A few points.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work as a law clerk in Minnesota, and while (being a clerk and all) I haven't "ordered" per se the source code be turned over, I've written many orders doing so -- until the Minnesota Supreme Court created a very high hurdle to getting it and no one has since requested. As stated by the attorney in the article, CMI won't turn the code over. Period. They simply will not obey court orders to do so. Minnesota is currently suing CMI in federal court, and we'll see how that turns out. But barring a federal court order, I assume they will simply continue to refuse to turn the code over. The result? Hundreds of DUIs being thrown out in Minnesota alone. Nice to see that the company cares more about their IP than the safety of our roads.

  7. Re:cheers! by dunezone · · Score: 4, Informative
    http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=288007&cid=20470751

    Even in such a simple case there are many things it should be testing. Is the A/D output sane? Does it take 3 quick samples while someone is blowing and average them or just take it once (which could be wrong for some reason)? According to the article, it doesn't look like it does. It calibrates the wind sensor, but doesn't check that the calibration is sane. It doesn't report errors unless they happen 32 times in a row. It disables the watchdog timer. It disables the interrupt for illegal instructions. It doesn't meet any coding standards. It contains code with things like "this is temporary for now" in it. There is an obvious reason why they didn't want the code released.

    This was a partial summary of another breathalyzer source code that was opened up in another case. This has nothing to do with open source this has to do with software that is half-ass'd but determines if someone has to go through years of court hearings, meetings, suspended license, and a whole waste of money because some company rushed their software engineer to write code that may be giving wrong results all together.

    This code should be open to public discrimination, there would be no trade secrets if the law protects the code from someone else using it after its been opened to public discrimination because every company would have to disclose their software.

  8. Re:echo round(rand(1,40)/100."%"; by TD-Linux · · Score: 5, Funny

    I find your lack of closing parenthesis disturbing.

    Clearly you have had no experience in the Lisp.

  9. Keep this idiot away from any kind of electricity by Skapare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Schwartz used electricity as an example.

    "No one . . . needs to see a schematic of wiring to know that when he flips the switch on the wall, the light will come on," Schwartz said.

    And what would this guy do if he finds that sometimes the light doesn't come on? Or the light goes off on its own? Or comes on by itself? Or flickers and buzzes? An electrician would need to know the wiring involved. A diagram or schematic would be used, if available, or else he would have to trace the wires (reverse engineering).

    And this analogy doesn't even apply to a measurement device. What if he uses a volt meter that says the voltage is 120 volts ... does he assume that because the meter deflected that it's reading is correct? It could be a 240 volt circuit that has each wire only 120 volts relative to ground.

    Any device that cannot be independently verified as operating correctly at all times should not have any of its results submitted in court for any purpose other than to argue that the device is defective in a case against the manufacturer.

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  10. Is there a legitimate interest? by wfstanle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The software should be available to those who have a legitimate interest. The source code for ANY machine being used to gather evidence should be available to the defense. The judge in such a case should get to decide if the defense needs to see the source code. If closed source software is leaked to the public, then some sort of sanction would be appropriate.

    This raises the issue of software on election machines... The entire voting public has a legitimate interest about haw their votes are counted. The only way around this is that the software running should be publicly available. It doesn't have to be open source as far as copyrights are concerned, just the public should have the right to examine the source code.

  11. Re:cheers! by wdhowellsr · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has already happened with radar guns. If they are not calibrated frequently they will register a tree moving at twenty miles an hour.

    That being said, in Florida, even if you are below the legal limit, you can still be charged with driving while impaired if it can be shown that your driving was impaired.

    One of my closest friends is a Criminal Defense Attorney and he tells everyone he knows, "Don't drink a drop and drive". Also, you are within your legal rights in all fifty states to request a blood test instead of the breath test. You will be booked, but the results will be indisputable in court. So if you're sure you only drank one beer it will be dead on.

  12. I disagree. by raehl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At some point, the suspects were caught, and the state needed to collect evidence of their BAC. Unfortunately, the state, instead of using a device that could provide accurate, verifiable evidence, used a device that, due to the lack of source code, could not provide verifiable evidence. Since the evidence is not verifiable, then the evidence is not admissible. Next time, the state should buy and use breathalyzers that produce admissible evidence.

    While their action is despicable, the breathalyzer vendor didn't agree to provide their source code as part of the purchase, and shouldn't be forced to do so after the fact because the state didn't buy a device suitable for the task.

    It's a bit like if I went to the state and offered to sell them a breathalyzer, and delivered a bicube blood alcohol measurement device, which is used by giving the two cubes to the suspect, having them throw the cubes on the ground, and then counting the number of dots that are showing on the top faces of the cubes. The state should know my breathalyzer isn't going to produce admissible evidence and shouldn't buy it and try and use the results in court.

    Just like voting machines, states need to learn to stop spending millions of dollars on technology that doesn't work.

  13. no by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

    The problem is the source code looks something like this:

    if ($suspect == black) {
            print ".12";
    }
    elsif ($suspect == hispanic) {
            print ".14";
    }
    elsif ($suspect == irish) {
            print "ERROR";
    }

    1. Re:no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm Irish, you insensitive clod!

      Seriously, though, people make a big fuss if you make fun of just about any ethnic group other than the Irish. But you can say all you want about the Irish and get away with it. Racists!

    2. Re:no by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Funny

      you are absolutely correct, it's improper to make fun of any ethnic group, except of course the damn French.

    3. Re:no by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "For the Americans, they were the same stupid, unacceptable jokes presented here as Polish jokes. Anyway, they've stopped that now, so you can't get away with it."

      Where did you get that idea? I take it you've never read the "Truly Tasteless Joke" book series?

      Ethnic jokes are told all the time....it is just that if you have a group of people, they might look over to make sure no one of said ethnicity is around to hear the joke, but, that is the extent of it. Look, all of us have funny attributes and general behaviors. You just can't have too thin a skin, and need to have a sense of humour. And let's face it....these behaviors and traits didn't come out of the blue......many of them are based on real observable things in life.

      Relax a little, and learn to laugh at yourself a little.

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  14. In NYC The Police Screw You by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In NYC the police using their breathalyzers (might be a different model) could trigger an intoxicated reading just by keying their radios nearby. The needle would jump higher and they could use that to lock you away for hours until a much slower blood test refused to confirm the reading. It is well known that they used this "ability" to harass and lock away people who annoyed them with no justification. There are all kinds of "tricks" that can be played with these machines and the defense is right to be very leery of any "evidence" provided by them.

    And I know Pima county well enough to know not to rely on what their attorneys say as the final word on anything.

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  15. Overdue ruling of common sense by Mad-cat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work in the State of Florida as a police officer, and I arrest and charge people with DUI on a regular basis.

    In my opinion, this ruling was exactly on the money, and far too long in coming. If a company refuses to disclose evidence, the State should immediately stop using their product to obtain evidence.

    As a certified expert witness, I am able to testify to the impairment of a subject without the need of a breath analysis to verify. About 20-30% of the cases I testify in have no breath results because the defendant refuses to provide a breath sample. We only forcefully obtain samples (of blood, not breath) when a traffic homicide is involved.

    If the evidence is faulty, I *need* to know. I can only uphold my oath of office if I can testify in good faith that I am using proper methods of obtaining evidence. If this company is witholding vital information, they should not be allowed to sell their product to law enforcement.

  16. Screw the source code... how is it tested? by Fished · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Okay... I truly appreciate the desire to get access to source code for this sort of device. However, if I were on a jury, I would be much less interested in seeing the source code (or hearing testimony from an expert who had) and much more interested in hearing testimony on the testing process for the particular binary image installed on the device in question.

    The bottom line is that, particularly in an embedded device working with sensors, many problems will simply not be apparent from the source code, no matter how good you are. The only way to know that this device gives good data is to give it the same sort of rigorous testing we give (for example) new drugs and electronics that go into airplanes and military hardware.

    I would want to see this device subjected to adverse environments, radio interference, being operated on the side of the road, etc. etc., and still reliably producing results that closely correlated with those produced by reference tests (i.e. blood alcohol tests). If this sort of testing is done for each and every revision of the device's firmware then the company is right, source code is irrelevant. This isn't like a voting machine... it has a discrete, limited number of inputs, no operating system, and a small memory pool--the only way to tamper with it would be to alter the firmware, and that can be checked with a simple checksum. And if this sort of testing isn't being done, then these devices are worthless and shouldn't be used to send someone to jail, because anyone who knows anything about programming knows that any project of any complexity will have bugs, and this sort of testing is the only way to catch them.

    So... does anyone know how these devices are tested? How rigorous is the testing? Is it serious, covering all conditions, and all revisions no matter how minor, or is it the usual "get the bad guys, screw civil liberties" sort of half-assed stuff that we've come to expect from American law enforcement?

    I have no sympathy for drunk drivers... but I don't want anyone sent to jail on evidence that even MIGHT be false.

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