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Phoenix Lander Photographs Martian Whirlwinds

Toren Altair recommends a story up on the Space Fellowship site that begins "NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has photographed several dust devils dancing across the arctic plain this week and sensed a dip in air pressure as one passed near the lander. The Surface Stereo Imager ... caught a dust devil in action west of the lander in four frames shot about 50 seconds apart from each other. 'It was a surprise to have a dust devil so visible that it stood [out] with just the normal processing we do,' said Mark Lemmon of Texas A&M University, College Station, lead scientist for the stereo camera. 'Once we saw a couple that way, we did some additional processing and found there are dust devils in 12 of the images.'"

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  1. Looks a lot like Texas to me... :) by geniusxyz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks a lot like Texas to me... :)

    1. Re:Looks a lot like Texas to me... :) by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 1

      I can assure you, as a student at Texas A&M (I know one of Lemmon's students pretty well), that we are in fact very wet and windblown thanks to Ike. But, we got off class on Friday, so I can't complain too much.

    2. Re:Looks a lot like Texas to me... :) by rlk · · Score: 1, Funny

      Crawford, Texas perhaps?

    3. Re:Looks a lot like Texas to me... :) by Missing_dc · · Score: 1

      Oddly it looks a lot like the pictures I have seen of the surface of Venus.
      Taken by a Russian craft, I believe.

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    4. Re:Looks a lot like Texas to me... :) by eeyore · · Score: 1

      Whaur are yar hats, cowpokes??

    5. Re:Looks a lot like Texas to me... :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Texas is a lot bigger than A&M, which is in East Texas. The comment you replied to was talking about West Texas. They don't have any need for a land grant agricultural school out there. El Pasa is part of Texas. It's not all like Houston.

    6. Re:Looks a lot like Texas to me... :) by lavardo · · Score: 1

      So Mars has "dust devils" and we just have devils?

  2. Sombody call Al Gore by Shot_Noise · · Score: 2, Funny
    From TFA

    A key factor in the whirlwinds getting stronger is an increase in the difference between daytime and nighttime temperatures.

    Shit! now we have to worry about climate change on mars?

    1. Re:Sombody call Al Gore by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1, Informative

      actually, due to increased solar output, it's getting warmer on all of the planets.

    2. Re:Sombody call Al Gore by Kamokazi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hmmmm....think I saw Manbearpig in one of those shots too..... ....maybe Manbearpig is from Mars?!?! That explains....well not a damn thing I guess.

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    3. Re:Sombody call Al Gore by Afforess · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, and the general lack of sunspots too.

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    4. Re:Sombody call Al Gore by statemachine · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry, no. And WTF does an anti-AGW statement have to do with a dust-devil on Mars?

      http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/DamonLaut2004.pdf
      and
      http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11650

      But even if solar forcing in the past was more important than this estimate suggests, as some scientists think, there is no correlation between solar activity and the strong warming during the past 40 years. Claims that this is the case have not stood up to scrutiny (pdf document).

      Direct measurements of solar output since 1978 show a steady rise and fall over the 11-year sunspot cycle, but no upwards or downward trend .

      Similarly, there is no trend in direct measurements of the Sun's ultraviolet output and in cosmic rays. So for the period for which we have direct, reliable records, the Earth has warmed dramatically even though there has been no corresponding rise in any kind of solar activity.

    5. Re:Sombody call Al Gore by mhall119 · · Score: 1

      Global warming on mars would be a very good thing.

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    6. Re:Sombody call Al Gore by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      Thanks for taking the time to get these resources together. I cringe whenever I see a post as ignorant as the one made by JeanBaptiste.

    7. Re:Sombody call Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. Manbearpig is running for president, that is why they trying to put lipstick on a pig...

    8. Re:Sombody call Al Gore by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      Hooray for Sol. Just in time for the latest hike in the price of gas. Solar keeps looking better, and more of our gas taxes better be going to this.

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    9. Re:Sombody call Al Gore by Kamokazi · · Score: 1

      I thought Obama wore makeup!

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  3. green text by dnwq · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1. Re:green text by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      So... why's there an tag around everything from "dancing..." to "...images."?

      It's Saturday night. The editors realize that the average Slashdotter will be having, well, coordination difficulties. And the kind editors want us to see the pics, so they're giving everybody a nice, big target.

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    2. Re:green text by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      You can't click on the green text though! They are making this even more complicated! Oh noes! :'(

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    3. Re:green text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, I thought my monitor was being screwy (still on CRTs (good ones though), so colour errors are still entirely possible).

    4. Re:green text by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, the average Slashdotter spends his Saturday cannonballing Red Bull and playing WoW for 10 hours. If anything, his coordination would be so good he could have landed the Phoenix lander himself.

  4. thats not mars by WillRobinson · · Score: 1, Funny

    I recognize that place, it is just outside of Phoenix.

    1. Re:thats not mars by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      I recognize that place, it is just outside of Phoenix.

      Yes, where else would it be? Inside of Phoenix? It's only 5.5m long and 2.2m tall, surely that's not tall enough for a dust devil?

    2. Re:thats not mars by WillRobinson · · Score: 1

      Above was a pun, on the town of Phoenix, Arizona, USA, which just happened to be the name of the lander. Sorry if you missed that connection. (btw their are lots of dust devils there, and the area outside of the city look quite similar to mars.)

  5. Just lovely by Aerynvala · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll never get to go to Mars, but at least I get this. I'm loving the pictures that Phoenix is sending back. I enjoy seeing the differences and the similarities between the two planets. Just awe-inspiring.

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    1. Re:Just lovely by Tangent128 · · Score: 1

      Never? Not sure how old you are, or your health conditions, but I'd guess you could expect at least forty more years.

      Sure, may be wildly optimistic, but, as the elementary school motivational posters say, "Shoot for the Moon- even if you miss, you'll land among the stars!".

    2. Re:Just lovely by Aerynvala · · Score: 1

      Even if my health was perfect and I was properly trained, I don't see how a 'manned' mission to Mars will happen anytime soon. Primarily due to the issues of space radiation

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    3. Re:Just lovely by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      Space being huge and all, and the probability of getting hit by something solid is very small, I can understand that a spacecraft can go far. But I didn't learn much about the effects of radiation on hardware. An organism may suffer in space travel, but how well does hardware bear up after a few years, even with shielding?

      Our earthly magnetic field is quite useful for deflecting some radiation, so would putting an artificial magnetic field around a spacecraft be enough to protect people? It would take a lot of energy to juice up an electrical coil, but what the heck.

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    4. Re:Just lovely by Aerynvala · · Score: 1

      I have read something that indicated that electronic equipment can be damaged by radiation. But I have no idea what it was I read, or where I read it. I think I tripped over it on one of my late night link-surfing journeys. *shrugs*

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    5. Re:Just lovely by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Even if my health was perfect and I was properly trained, I don't see how a 'manned' mission to Mars will happen anytime soon. Primarily due to the issues of space radiation

      I don't think the radiation issue is that bad but I am in favor of it because it is a good reason to send old people.

    6. Re:Just lovely by Maelwryth · · Score: 1

      I feel the same way. Being on Mars would be unbeleivably awesome. I don't know whether I would take a one way trip if I was offered. The Earth is stunning as well. I am just more used to it.

      The pictures (video?) have me somewhat bemused though. I know the air pressure is lower on Mars, so how fast is the air blowing to cause these Dust Devils? It would seem to me that either the air is moving insanely fast or the dust particle size is tiny. Any ideas/information?

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    7. Re:Just lovely by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      I enjoy seeing the differences and the similarities between the two planets.

      Are you sure your monitor is calibrated correctly? On mine, Mars only appears as one planet.

      - RG>

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    8. Re:Just lovely by Aerynvala · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my monitor is calibrated right. However, I didn't explicitly say the differences between Earth and Mars. Clarify it enough for you?

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    9. Re:Just lovely by cjsm · · Score: 1

      I don't know about going to Mars. It would be like going on vacation. Its fun for the first week or so, but after that, I want to go home.

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    10. Re:Just lovely by statemachine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      An organism may suffer in space travel, but how well does hardware bear up after a few years, even with shielding?

      To answer your first question:
      Pioneer, Voyager, Galileo, Cassini....

      Not everything goes perfectly, but sometimes you get very lucky.

    11. Re:Just lovely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, you're all happy about how long probes last now, but come the 33rd century when some come back to kick our asses, you'll be singing a different tune then.

    12. Re:Just lovely by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      It would seem to me that either the air is moving insanely fast or the dust particle size is tiny. Any ideas/information?

      I believe the dust is quite fine.

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  6. Looks more like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    speedy gonzalas to me....

  7. Redundant Story by Afforess · · Score: 1

    several dust devils danced across the arctic plain this week and [NASA's martian lander] sensed a dip in air pressure as one passed near the lander.

    -1 redundant. Anyone with any knowledge of meteorology could have told you that the center of hurricanes, tornadoes and of course dust devils have low pressure.

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    1. Re:Redundant Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the dip in air pressure is further evidence supporting the claim that the objects in the images are in fact dust-devils. So, it's necessary that the reader already knows that dust-devils have low pressure.

      I bet the ambient air pressure is pretty low already... something like 120,000 ft altitude here on Earth.

    2. Re:Redundant Story by AscianBound · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      several dust devils danced across the arctic plain this week and [NASA's martian lander] sensed a dip in air pressure as one passed near the lander.

      -1 redundant. Anyone with any knowledge of meteorology could have told you that the center of hurricanes, tornadoes and of course dust devils have low pressure.

      OMG NO. REDUNDANT STORY! GEEZ, DID YOU SEE THAT SENTENCE??? IT MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT SOME OF US ALREADY KNOW. THE OBVIOUSNESS IS KILLING ME. AAAAAAAAAAAAUGH!!!!!!!!!!

  8. *could* this affect Phoenix? by CyrusOmega · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder what would happen if one of these little devils ran over the lander!?

    1. Re:*could* this affect Phoenix? by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 5, Informative

      It has happened and they are good for the rovers believe it or not. The normal winds kick up dust that inhibits the collection of solar light, but these dust devils actually help in removing it. One of the reasons they've been able to go so long on Mars has been for the devils themselves--this is just the first time they've been captured on film.

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    2. Re:*could* this affect Phoenix? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what would happen if one of these little devils ran over the lander!?

      RTFA and FTFO (find the fuck out)

      The Phoenix team is not worried about any damage to the spacecraft from these swirling winds. "With the thin atmosphere on Mars, the wind loads we might experience from dust devil winds are well within the design of the vehicle," said Ed Sedivy, Phoenix program manager at Lockheed Martin Space Systems Company, Denver, which made the spacecraft. "The lander is very rigid with the exception of the solar arrays, which once deployed, latched into position and became a tension structure."

      I swear to christ, there are some fucking ignorant /.ers if i've seen any.

    3. Re:*could* this affect Phoenix? by Lispy · · Score: 4, Informative

      FYI, this is NOT the first time. Spirit caught them before.

    4. Re:*could* this affect Phoenix? by CraftyJack · · Score: 1

      they are good for the rovers

      Phoenix is too far north for it to do much good this time. From the UofA page:
      The far northern latitudes on Mars experience no sunlight during winter. This marks the end of the mission because the solar panels can no longer charge the batteries on the lander and the frost covering the region as the atmosphere cools will bury the lander in ice.

  9. Kermit by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because it ain't easy bein' green!

    1. Re:Kermit by Chiaro+Meratilo · · Score: 1

      How the hell does that answer the question?

    2. Re:Kermit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      First you'll hear the wooshing sound, then you'll know.

  10. Obligatory... by AscianBound · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome our new dust devil overlords.

  11. Fujifilm 5000S by Whiteox · · Score: 1, Funny

    I've got an old Fujifilm 5000S digital camera which I'll donate to NASA so we can get some decent colour photos.
    I'm sick of this B/W crap.

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    1. Re:Fujifilm 5000S by theurge14 · · Score: 1

      Seconded. The quality of the images we get from NASA and the eSA are rivaled by those of Mathew Brady and his Civil War photographs.

      Expect several lectures on the nature of filters, how digital cameras really work and how photographs aren't 'real science'. But don't expect to be satisfied with any other explanation.

    2. Re:Fujifilm 5000S by sighted · · Score: 4, Informative

      Um, spend a little time at this gallery or this one or this one or this one for gigabytes of very sharp, gorgeous imagery - some of it in extremely high resolution.

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    3. Re:Fujifilm 5000S by CSMatt · · Score: 1

      You didn't figure it out yet? Color only exists on Earth.

    4. Re:Fujifilm 5000S by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      You know, I suspected that the first time I saw the moon landing images back in '69....
      Mind you the "artist's impressions" are pretty.

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    5. Re:Fujifilm 5000S by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Mind you the "artist's impressions" are pretty.

      Yes, they are.

    6. Re:Fujifilm 5000S by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sorry, since NASA is funded by other vendor, they are so commited they even (name places as an ad (click to the picture showing Olympus Mons). Fuji won't simply make with such a cheap offer.

  12. Dupe dupe dupe dupe of Earl by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 0, Troll

    Dupe dupe dupe of Earl dupe dupe dupe of Earl dupe dupe....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Marsdustdevil2.gif

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  13. Lots of Color by sighted · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of color pictures from this mission and other current Mars missions on NASA's site and on the Phoenix team's site and on many amateur sites.

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    1. Re:Lots of Color by theurge14 · · Score: 1

      Your post somewhat strengthens our point. On the NASA page you linked I had to scroll down a ways to find the first "approximately true-color image". The small handful of others were also labelled "approximately true-color image" as well as "false color image."

  14. Tasmanian Devils by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    Hey, that looks like Taz...

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  15. Conspiracy by curmi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's not a dust devil. It's a fast moving Martian.

    Yet another government agency coverup!

    1. Re:Conspiracy by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd turn on the microphone and start recording.

      If I hear sputtering and shouting, i'll know where taz went.

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  16. Rocks and Craters. by camperdave · · Score: 1

    Rocks and craters. That's all there is everywhere we look. Rocks and craters on Mercury. Rocks and craters on Mars. Rocks and craters on the Moon. Rocks and craters on Venus. Rocks and craters here. Rocks and craters there. Rocks and craters everywhere. Rocks and craters, rocks and craters, rocks and craters.

    Okay, so there's ice on some of moons of Jupiter and Saturn. But otherwise, rocks and craters. Makes me wonder sometimes why we have a space program. If only there was a scum covered pond, or an artifact, or *SOMETHING* out there.

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    1. Re:Rocks and Craters. by amn108 · · Score: 1

      If you go out in the ocean, in your immediate vicinity (and our archaic space probes can only do no better) there is just ocean. Granted ocean is a good deal richer ecosystem than the cold space is ever, but for comparision that will do. Now, it does not mean there are no islands around you, but you have to extend the observable space. It's the same with outer space. For the percentage of the space we actually do explore, its just rocks and craters, but most of space is. Somewhere there is lush life, but it is not in our solar system, with a possible exception of the ocean under the surface of Europa. In science fiction we are put in the center of a alien civilization, but in reality, in SOL we are the only civilization to write about. It does not mean however that there are no others. Space is so big such a small cluster of it that our SOL is does not make it any statistical variable either way. If you had sweeped through the entire Milky Way galaxy throughly and not found any sign of life at all, then it would perhaps be an argument against "universe teaming with life", and even then the search would not be over, provided there are billions of galaxies out there.

    2. Re:Rocks and Craters. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Stop calling it So1, goddammit!

      "Sol" is just Latin for "Sun"! So unless you're talking to a (very VERY old) Latin audience...

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    3. Re:Rocks and Craters. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Funny

      How did that become "So1"? My god, am I inf3cted w1th ...l33t$p34k?? 444|-||-||-||-|... |-|3|_P!!!

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    4. Re:Rocks and Craters. by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Finding life on an extrasolar planet would be irrelevant - significant, but irrelevant. Scroll through the solar system using your mouse wheel. That'll give you a good idea of how big the solar system is. Now, scroll through that 7200 times, and you'd just be at the closest star. Double that distance if you want to get to the nearest known extrasolar planet.

      Unless we develop some sort of warp drive (which seems to violate the laws of physics as we know them now), we are stuck with either a generation ship, or a cryo-sleep ship and crossing that distance would take centuries, if not millenia.

      We're stuck here, with nothing to look at but rocks and craters.

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    5. Re:Rocks and Craters. by amn108 · · Score: 1

      Yes, sir, no sir, of course sir. What should I call it sir, sir?

    6. Re:Rocks and Craters. by amn108 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I will suffice to reply with the quote from "Contact" by Carl Sagan:

      "You wanna hear something really nutty? I heard of a couple guys who wanna build something called an "airplane," you know you get people to go in, and fly around like birds, it's ridiculous, right? And what about breaking the sound barrier, or rockets to the moon, or atomic energy, or a mission to Mars? Science fiction, right? Look, all I'm asking, is for you to just have the tiniest bit of vision. You know, to just sit back for one minute and look at the big picture. To take a chance on something that just might end up being the most profoundly impactful moment for humanity, for the history... of history."

      Or to put it with my dry tongue: The books concerning undisputable physics laws did exist when Leonardo Da Vinci lived too, and they were as thick if not thicker and as numerous as books on physics today, and just as then today skepticism is the first barrier when expanding the understanding of reality. The problem I have with your thinking is, unlike scientist who refute theories based on analytic approach and cross-referencing laws, you seem to accept the skepticism as a god-given tool and universal law that allows anybody and anyone today to say things like "faster than light travel is impossible. This guy X proved it and experiments were done. Refer to the book Y, where Z is explained and which completely and irrevocably denies your concept application.".

      But the Carl Sagan wrote it much better. Now, I did not say everything is possible, but it seems as we are sitting here saying "I did not say everything is possible", more and more things pop up that make us wonder what the fuck is Universe all about. It is HIGHLY improbable that a guy living in 1940s however smart he is, unless he is a prophet of a true God if he exists, can pinpoint a law of the Universe that is ABSOLUTE. Please. We do build our technology on these laws, but as it is said about Zodiac, they are not 'meant to limit what can happen but merely show what is possible.'

      I am just as a realist as you are, but you are fantasizing. Your fantasy revolves around believing in the future that is already cemented, but this fantasy is not reality. Reality in fact shows us again and again that our understanding of laws of nature is flawed to a formidable degree. I do believe it is possible to precisely describe such laws, but it would be as much effort as describing what happens in one corner of a dirty swimming pool filled with tree leafs when you poke the water on the other end. Under heavy rain.

  17. Not in Kansas anymore? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    As it turns out, there are places like home.

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  18. Each sensor is only 1024x1024 by Morgaine · · Score: 1

    Expect several lectures on the nature of filters, how digital cameras really work and how photographs aren't 'real science'. But don't expect to be satisfied with any other explanation.

    I won't fall for the bait, since you know that all digital camera sensors (even Foveon X3 with its integrated filtering) are actually monochrome, and it takes extra processing to generate a colour image. :-)

    However, it *IS* worth pointing out that Phoenix's panoramic camera sensor resolution is very low compared to the consumer cameras of today (just 1024x1024 each). While this is by design and comes bundled with goodies like stereo imaging, full panning in horizontal and vertical, and 12-position colour wheel, nevertheless the fundamental 1-megapixel restriction exists and does affect images taken. Single shots from Phoenix are never going to rival a $50 compact camera of today in resolution and hence in immediate impact. But of course Phoenix isn't restricted to single shots. :-)

    As Mars-Earth communication bandwidths increase, we'll be able to afford higher resolution single frames in the future.

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  19. This may be good publicity against DRM by SamP2 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So far the issues of DRM have mostly been raised by privacy advocates and geeks, with most of the rest simply not caring. DRM, as with copyright in general, is confined to the digital world, and the common attitude is "unless you are a pirate, you shouldn't care, right?".

    If Apple does pursue this through the courts, it can change public opinion. A lot of people would think, "Getting sued for fixing up your own shoes? WTF", and perceive the lawsuit as frivolous, or, best of all, finally seeing that the grave shackle effects of DRM spread far beyond the digital world. People will seriously question DRM laws if they realize that they are breaking them day after day with routine, normal, and perfectly acceptable life activities.

  20. Spooky coincidence by I+don't+want+to+spen · · Score: 1

    My kids are watching cartoons in the next room, and I just loaded the pictures when a loud 'Meep Meep' came from Roadrunner!

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    1. Re:Spooky coincidence by Barryke · · Score: 1

      ..
      yeah, but it gets even more freaky. What are the odds of me reading about ur experience!!!!11

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  21. Just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Beautiful

  22. The rovers have seen this as well by JoeRobe · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the movies captured by the rovers are much cooler:

    Sol 1120

    Sol 486

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    1. Re:The rovers have seen this as well by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. 1120 seems to run away after it knows its being photographed. Conspiracy theorists, where are you when we need you?

  23. Re:Fujifilm 5000S (color fuss again) by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Informative

    decent colour photos.

    If I am not mistaken, they have to take bunches of images in order to capture a single whirlwind. Color images hog more bandwidth and memory. There was some talk of automating the process in the rovers to automatically detect movement and only save and send those frames with activity.

    However, another problem is that most probes use filters to capture color, and filters don't work well with moving objects because the target moves between filters. On some of the Phoenix color images you notice a rainbow-like tinge around shadows. This is because the shadows move slightly between the different color filters due to sun movement across the sky. Whirl-winds would be even worse in this regard.

    And I don't think they want to send up a typical "human" camera because our color vision is limited compared to what it could be. These are scientific missions, not tourist stops, and so mostly use science-friendly color spreads. (Although its sometimes possible to tease out human-friendly colors via post-processing if one knows the scenery color profile well enough.)
         

  24. Electric Dust Devils by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The electrical character of dust devils and tornadoes is rarely mentioned. In fact, researchers only recently began to examine the electrical nature of dust devils in an effort to understand what is happening on Mars. Mysteries still surround electrical activity in our atmosphere. For example, the Earth has a vertical electric field, in the order of 100 volts per meter in dry air, whose origin is unknown. And scientists do not know what causes the most obvious electrical phenomenon in the atmosphere â"' lightning. See 'The Balloon goes up over lightning!' for a discussion of the Electric Universe model of lightning.

    However, last week saw another success for the Electric Universe model. It's now official that dust devils on Earth exhibit strong electric fields, in excess of 4,000 volts per meter. They generate magnetic fields as well. The researchers who made the discovery added the qualification '"on Earth"' because the discovery was a surprise. They cannot be certain that it applies to the dust devils on Mars because their purely mechanical model did not predict the electrical effects found in earthly dust devils. However the tentative connection was made and resulted in the following artist''s impression of what an electrified Martian dust devil might look like.

    http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=zg70y10m

  25. Where's the news? by jemminger · · Score: 1

    So now even NASA is into rehashing old news. Dust devils were filmed by the Spirit rover in 2005: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20050819a.html

    1. Re:Where's the news? by trongey · · Score: 1

      Congratulations on being the 500th Slashdotter to miss the point of the article.

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    2. Re:Where's the news? by jemminger · · Score: 1
      Well you must have some incredible insight, because the article doesn't say much more than

      "We expected dust devils, but we are not sure how frequently," said Phoenix Project Scientist Leslie Tamppari of NASAâ(TM)s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "It could be they are rare and Phoenix got lucky. Weâ(TM)ll keep looking for dust devils at the Phoenix site to see if they are common or not." The dust devils that Phoenix has observed so far are much smaller than dust devils that NASAâ(TM)s Mars Exploration Rover Spirit has photographed much closer to the equator.

  26. Forbidden Planet (1956) by kencf0618 · · Score: 1

    "I am programmed to answer to the name 'Robbie'."
         

  27. Oh please, as if that was real... by AmigaMMC · · Score: 1

    Humans have never sent anything to Mars, it's a lie. Look at that photo, it's all black and white, everybody knows Mars is red.

  28. V'ger? by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

    I think that you're thinking of the twenty-third century.

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  29. And they provide biomatter when they die. by RustinHWright · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure that I'm kidding about that. I've seen quite a few people, including some volunteers of suitable ages, suggest that we send older people to places like Mars with the explicit intent of it being a one-way trip. That being the case, if we're talking about the ever more popular approach of starting by sending robots to dig tunnels to live in and accumulate fuels and oxygen and such, it may turn out that one of the biggest contributions those Mars travelers provide is their bodies. When they die, if they agree to have their bodies ground up and added to the garden area, they'll add not only almost two hundred pounds of prime, high-nutrient biomatter, but also a complete set of the tens of thousands of microorganisms that we carry around with us, many of which we count on to get through the day.

    Of course, we could just start shipping them dozens of dead bodies of healthy people on high-g trajectories as soon as we've got the greenhouses up and running but I just can't see that getting approved. Maybe if it's offered as a multi-million dollar burial option, the dead people's estates can be gotten to pay for it ;->

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