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The Tech Behind a Nine Inch Nails Show

inetstorm, who has "been a NIN fan for ages," sends along a Wired profile giving a look behind the scenes at the tech underlying the current NIN concert tour. "... this time around, NIN has pulled out all the stops, creating a groundbreaking, fully interactive visual display that is as much a part of the show as the band's instruments ... The core of the show is a sophisticated trio of transparent 'stealth' screens, which are raised and lowered during the performance... For the interactive portions of the show, all the onscreen video is rendered by Moment Factory's custom rig, a trio of Linux-based devices collectively known as 'the brain.'"

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  1. Let me be the first to say by Nuclear+Elephant · · Score: 5, Funny

    "a trio of Linux-based devices collectively known as 'the brain.'"

    What are we going to do today brain?

    The same thing we do every day, pinky. Plan to take over the world.

    1. Re:Let me be the first to say by thealsir · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I think the split second blue screen is a work of pure genius. Trent Reznor FTW!

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    2. Re:Let me be the first to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "a trio of Linux-based devices collectively known as 'the brain.'"

      Unusually a beowulf cluster joke would be on-topic, for once.

    3. Re:Let me be the first to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think the real question here is what type of fasteners they are using to hold it together.

    4. Re:Let me be the first to say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      6 inch screws

    5. Re:Let me be the first to say by Zeio · · Score: 0, Troll

      The brain seems to make some really loud disjointed cacophonous not so great music - wait, thats NIN right?

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  2. The power of Linux by Swampash · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Re:The power of Linux by no+reason+to+be+here · · Score: 5, Informative

      The original unaltered picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ltrandazzo/2783768632/in/set-72157606864141506/

      Taken by amy Randazzo, sister of one of the guys responsible for http://theninhotline.com/

      Just want to give attribution where it's due.

      Also, I'm so pissed off I wasn't able to see them this time around, and everytime I hear about how amazing and groundbreaking the show is, it makes me that much more upset. I really hope I can make it to one of the shows when they come back through the US again.

    2. Re:The power of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes yes, very funny. RTFA and see it's part of a video sequence.

    3. Re:The power of Linux by RealGrouchy · · Score: 3, Informative

      FTA:

      But Reznor, who is an unabashed Mac fan, is also playful about having to partially rely on Windows boxes for some of the show's visuals.

      "We purposefully put one frame of the Blue Screen of Death in this collage of static that comes up at the end of 'Great Destroyer,' and right away people caught it," he says.

      That is not a fail; it's win all the way.

      - RG>

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    4. Re:The power of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      thats really too bad. in my world, there is no "wasn't" or "can't" for i make my way to see nin.

      as for the show, it was the best nin visual show i have seen in the 14 years i have been attending nin concerts. there are things done with with trent and the screens that simply took my breath away. things i never would have thought possible at a "music" concert. this recent show i saw in inglewood, ca was far from being a simple "concert" or "music show." it's something else. something bigger. something that push the envelope.

    5. Re:The power of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that's done on purpose.

    6. Re:The power of Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We purposefully put one frame of the Blue Screen of Death in this collage of static that comes up at the end of 'Great Destroyer,' and right away people caught it," he says. - From TFA.

    7. Re:The power of Linux by inetstorm · · Score: 1

      they are coming back through the US again, check tour.nin.com

    8. Re:The power of Linux by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      I actually rode my motorcycle from Chicago to Connecticut to see them with a friend at the beginning of August. I wasn't able to get in on the pre-order because those fantastic tickets sold out in minutes (only 100-200 rockstar tickets). I ended up getting tickets that were on the very side of stage, so we could see the band play, but none of the visuals of the show. Very disappointed.

    9. Re:The power of Linux by SolusSD · · Score: 1

      they display the blue screen of death during the song 'great destroyer' as an effect, not as a mistake.

    10. Re:The power of Linux by kittiekorn · · Score: 1

      There's a tour scheduled for Oct/Nov/Dec. It's going to be good, from what I heard, and I'm not going to be able to go, as I'll be a mom by then -.-

  3. This looks so familiar by MrSteve007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I like NIN as much as anyone, and that concert, along with those FX looks awesome, but there isn't much here that I see that looks much different than what Daft Punk have been doing with their concerts for quite sometime.

    Yes, Daft Punk has a scripted show vs. playing instruments that interact with the AV, but the overall display, lighting and controller tech running the show behind the scenes seem much the same.

    1. Re:This looks so familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah. That 40-foot neon pyramid looks *just* like the floating screens that NIN are using. Same thing. Exactly. No difference whatsoever...

    2. Re:This looks so familiar by fraktus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference is that for Daft Punk it's much more video technicians creating the vision of the Band.

      For NIN the band is much more involved in the audio - visual synchronization.

      I am from the company ArKaos that helped them to fix their show and made the interaction more easy.

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    3. Re:This looks so familiar by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1, Troll

      As a NIN fan, I may be out of line, but IMHO, neither the double translucent interactive NIN screens, nor the neon pyramid can stack against Spinal Tap's 18" Stonehenge replica.

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    4. Re:This looks so familiar by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

      Er, I've seen both of them, and aside from having lots of lights and big video screens, the visuals are not very much alike at all.

  4. fluxus looks pretty freakin cool... by jdogalt · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I was just thinking about interactive audio visualizations for a kick ass guitar appliance. I ran across fluxus which I'd never heard of before, but looks to be a killer app. Check out the movies here.

    http://www.pawfal.org/index.php?page=FluxusSecrets

    http://www.pawfal.org/fluxus/

    1. Re:fluxus looks pretty freakin cool... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Are there videos of it actually working, rather than tutorials?

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    2. Re:fluxus looks pretty freakin cool... by jdogalt · · Score: 1

      if you fast forward to the end of the tutorial videos, IMO you see sufficient video of 'it working'. I haven't yet downloaded it and tried the examples, but honestly even if the 3 tutorial examples were all there is, I'd still be impressed.

    3. Re:fluxus looks pretty freakin cool... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Ah. You can't skip past what's buffered yet, so I didn't get to see the end. Scanned through the first quarter of each and thought "well, this is delightfully informative."

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  5. ouch by jacquesm · · Score: 2, Funny

    NIN makes me wish for the Pink Floyd of long ago. But then again, so does Roger Waters ;)

  6. give em ten years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    and they might of caught up to the tech available in a 90's rave
    still rock music allways was behind

  7. The BSOD was on purpose by azrael29a · · Score: 5, Informative

    This BSOD was set up on purpose - it was a part of the decoration. See http://blog.internetnews.com/apatrizio/2008/09/the-fail-er-joke-is-on-the-web.html

    1. Re:The BSOD was on purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://supernaut.biz/nin/destroyer/ If you watch the entire video you can see that it only appears on the screen for a split second

    2. Re:The BSOD was on purpose by guru42101 · · Score: 1

      One of the things that gets my attention in that video is the sea of cellphones. You can see the screens as people are taking cellphone videos and pictures.

    3. Re:The BSOD was on purpose by shawb · · Score: 1

      Pretty much standard fare at a concert of decent size these days. Even before camera phones were basically standard, people would wave their phones in the air, creating a similar effect to a crowd full of lighters.

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    4. Re:The BSOD was on purpose by Sebilrazen · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pretty much standard fare at a concert of decent size these days. Even before camera phones were basically standard, people would wave their phones in the air, creating a similar effect to a crowd full of lighters.

      Not only this, but Trent wants fans to bootleg and remix his shit, he releases albums under creative commons specifically for this purpose.

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    5. Re:The BSOD was on purpose by 74nova · · Score: 1

      ewww

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  8. Same with Blue Man Group by antdude · · Score: 1

    It reminds me of Blue Man Group's visual performance, with better music IMO. They use a lot of LEDs, lights, colors, special effects, etc.

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    1. Re:Same with Blue Man Group by tf23 · · Score: 1

      We saw the Blue men in Boston, and then Columbus OH. Boston's a much better venue for a show. We had a great time, the show is amazing. Some of the music's not that bad too.

    2. Re:Same with Blue Man Group by antdude · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Columbus OH a tour show? If so, then tour shows aren't good as the home shows. I saw the one in Vegas in its old Luxor. Big and awesome!

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  9. Video clip? by antdude · · Score: 1

    Is there a video clip of this in action? :)

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    1. Re:Video clip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the end of the article.

    2. Re:Video clip? by coolsnowmen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x9BucfUYCE
      Right in the beginning, 0:05 or so.

    3. Re:Video clip? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Thank you, coolsnowmen! :)

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    4. Re:Video clip? by nog_lorp · · Score: 1

      I don't have flash so I can't tell you if its actually a rickroll or something, but a comment on the flickr post says
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x9BucfUYCE

    5. Re:Video clip? by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      Is saying 'your welcome' allowed on /., or is that considered evil like karma whoring or 'pulling a twitter'?

  10. Trent kicks ass by runlevelfour · · Score: 4, Informative

    Trent is a pretty cool dude. He tries to embrace technology and make it work for him and he is a big opponent of the current entrenched system (RIAA etc). Trent sees them as crooks who prey upon the fans and artists alike and did everything in his power to get independent. As soon as he did he started to release albums free with options to donate and ability to purchase physical and/or high rez formats. Needless to say it was a success and now other artists are using his inspiration and trying to change things as well. Normally I detest Mac and all their little fanboys but not Trent because he is not just an empty headed user who is being a partisan simply because of Apple's slick marketing. Trent loves technology and if a tool is good for a job he embraces it. If it works great, if it sucks he denounces it. You have to respect someone like that. We need more of that attitude in every aspect of life.

    1. Re:Trent kicks ass by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Normally I detest Mac and all their little fanboys.... If it works great, if it sucks he denounces it. You have to respect someone like that. We need more of that attitude in every aspect of life.

      Maybe you could use more of that attitude, and not detest Mac offhand?

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    2. Re:Trent kicks ass by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We don't know if it's offhand. Support of his opinion would be offtopic, probably long-winded, and probably earn him a few flamebait/troll mods just because.

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  11. Hoping for a concert DVD by Kesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I saw this show in Lexington, KY. Trust me, the stills on the article don't do it justice. You really have to see the show to appreciate how dynamic and fluid the effects are. Unfortunately, the videos on YouTube are pretty washed out because any camera small enough to sneak in has poor quality, and can't handle the bright lights well.

    I've also seen the Blue Man Group concert tour (three times!) and there's no comparison. The FX in BMG's "How to be a Megastar" tour are good, but this blows them away.

    1. Re:Hoping for a concert DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe if they follow their previous concerts, they will also release a blu-ray of the concert as well (taking the best performances). I wasn't aware of these Nin concerts until I picked up their latest concert blu-ray from amazon. It's literally mind blowing how well their technology synchronizes with their performance. I don't get out much (usually I stay in my moms basement hacking linux on the weekends), but if they come to New York I might get tickets. Concerts like those are worth leaving the house for and being around people.

    2. Re:Hoping for a concert DVD by meyekul · · Score: 1

      I was also at the Lexington show. Small world isn't it?

  12. I thought they uses a big hammer... by croftj · · Score: 1

    That or a really big nail file!

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  13. Ripping apart a monkey on stage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone who used to be a huge NIN fan told me the other day that he saw a quite old video of NIN ripping apart a live monkey on stage and has since lost all respect for the band. Does anyone know if there is truth to this? I wasn't able to find any evidence of this online.

    1. Re:Ripping apart a monkey on stage? by Deuxsonic · · Score: 3, Informative

      That seems highly unlikely for someone who did a video for PETA, you know?

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    2. Re:Ripping apart a monkey on stage? by nawcom · · Score: 2, Informative

      About the only thing I can think relating Trent to a monkey is the one strapped onto a crucifix on the Closer video. It's called symbolism. I'm sure the monkey was fine. He's never done anything with animals on stage. Your friend's mind is twisted.

  14. I saw the show in Jersey... by HerculesMO · · Score: 1

    And as some comments have stated, the article doesn't do justice to actually watching the show.

    They are my favorite band and it was an amazing thing to watch them perform... I'll go again if I get a chance to :)

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  15. Pirate THAT! by timeOday · · Score: 1

    They're smart to design a concert that provides a non-downloadable experience.

  16. This calls for a mashup... by Leviathant · · Score: 1

    What about Nine Inch Nails -and- a Stonehenge replica, circa 1994? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWw-4I4WUv0 (about 15 seconds in)

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  17. Old meme time. . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but can you run Linux on it? Oh. Erm, never mind, I'll get me coat.

  18. Awsome show by Xenophorge · · Score: 1

    I've caught every NIN show in Toronto in the last 5 years, and this stage show was,no contest, the best I've seen. For Trent or anyone I've seen live. The way Trent interacted with it was not only amazing, but (just like the article pointed out) the way he could set moods for different types of his tracks was nothing short of genius. It blew me away the way he was able to set up the environment to play some of their tracks from the Ghosts release (slower, ambient instrumentals for those who haven't heard them). Heh, I until I saw this show I never would have thought one could "rock" the xylophone, but that's exactly what he did. Some of the lights pointed at the crowd were blindingly overwhelming, but those "stealth screens" more then made up for it.

    1. Re:Awsome show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't an xylophone, it was a marimba.

  19. But does it... by Gamma746 · · Score: 1

    ... go up to 11?

  20. Hip like a broadway musical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The "stealth" screens they talk about are really just Stealth(TM) branded LED screens, which have a fairly wide dot pitch to allow gaps to see through. They are being used right now on such cutting edge projects as Broadway musicals, trade shows, etc. etc. They neither are invisible to radar nor move like ninjas.

  21. BSOD on tour by sdhoigt · · Score: 0, Redundant
    1. Re:BSOD on tour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a still included in an effect. If you were to catch a frame before or after that, you would see the distortion and snow.

    2. Re:BSOD on tour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you fucking idiot, why don't you read some of the comments above you where this has already been discussed.

      btw, the blue screen was INTENTIONAL (and only a single frame)

  22. Old tech by Garybaldy · · Score: 1

    Why is this being reported as new? Stealth screens have been in wide use for some time now. Last years matchbox twenty's tour used movable stealth screens. Rascal Flatt's current tour has stealth screens and massive pc controlled set movements. Toby Keith's current tour has stealth screens too. Computer controlled truss, video walls and staging is old hat. This OP was written by a clueless NIN fan Signed your local concert rigger.

    1. Re:Old tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using Stealth screens doesn't make it new. The fact that instead of being scripted, the visuals are being created interactively is what makes it new.

    2. Re:Old tech by Garybaldy · · Score: 1

      That would require i RTFA like with George Micheal's tour that has motion sensors calibrated to pick up where he is on the video stage and wall. With shock waves and various effects coming from his movements.

  23. Well thats all well and good but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should't they just play quake? :-D

  24. i smile when i think of this by papershark · · Score: 1

    I friend of mine went to see NIN. He told me that during quiet part of âSomething I can never haveâ(TM) someone shouted âoeTIMMY!!â in the style of South Park, a large part of the audience burst in to laughter. I just like to tell that story on NIN fans before I play them some Sun O))).

  25. Fantastic! by Antifuse · · Score: 1

    I was absolutely blown away by the visuals in this show (I'm embarrassed to admit, my first NiN concert in 15 years of being a fan). Awesome to see something talking about how they set up all the multimedia.

  26. When does tech become art? by Behrooz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When does technology stop being marketroid buzzwords and become art?

    This is new because Trent Reznor does things himself, and does them right. It's possible to throw as many screens and lights as you can afford on a stage, but for a concert experience all that matters is how the tech is used. In this case, the artist's vision is directly responsible for the design, programming, and implementation of the effects... and that makes all the difference.

    I can't imagine Toby Keith or Rascal Flatts disappearing into their basements for a week to design anything, let alone program and implement it themselves. Either way, I don't know of anyone else with Reznor's combination of technical and artistic chops, and that makes all the difference.

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