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Nanotech Paint To Kill Bacteria

ColGraff points out reporting at Science News about the possibility of killing bacteria with paint. Scientists in the UK have found that high concentrations of titanium oxide nanoparticles in paint can kill bacteria by creating hydroxyl radicals when exposed to ordinary fluorescent light. Titanium dioxide is present in most white paint at concentrations of 30% or so, but not always at nanoparticle scale. The researchers found that an 80% concentration of TiO2 nanoparticles worked well to kill E. Coli bacteria. There is hope that the technique could be used against "superbugs," which are resistant to multiple antibiotics. A researcher not associated with the UK team pointed out the problem with developing products based on this idea: "[A]nything that survives and sticks around grows greater resistance... ultimately [antibiotic paint] will be its own worst enemy and the bacteria could grow to be even stronger."

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  1. A researcher says what? by Naughty+Bob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A researcher not associated with the UK team pointed out the problem with developing products based on this idea: "[A]nything that survives and sticks around grows greater resistance... ultimately [antibiotic paint] will be its own worst enemy and the bacteria could grow to be even stronger."

    What a crazy thing to say. It's true, for sure, but has always been the case in the arms race against bacteria. It's what natural selection does...

    What could possibly be the researcher's motivation to say such a strange thing?

    *cough*She's the founder of a rival nanotech firm*cough*

    A coincidence, or fear mongering unscientific FUD? You decide!

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    1. Re:A researcher says what? by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually that was the very forst thing I thought of. Basically the paint is harnessing photon energy to increase the availability of an energetic and highly reactive compound. It also kills bacteria. If some bacteria figures out how to live in the environment --- alkyline loving bacteria exist-- then it will have free food and no competition.

      Unlike anti-bacterial soaps, this food source is persistent so the bacteria can more quickly adapt.

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    2. Re:A researcher says what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So we get bacteria who adapt to live in conditions that are totally unlike the conditions inside a human body.

      Was this supposed to be a bad thing?

      (Captcha: fitness. I swear, the thing has a mind of its own.)

    3. Re:A researcher says what? by mrbooze · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And yet the response is always "just use soap and water".

      So why aren't we getting soap-and-water-resistant bacteria? Presumably because such an evolved trait is too "expensive".

      A genetics professor of mine once explained that when I asked if bacteria can become resistant to alcohol. (As he was wiping his hands with Purell.) He said, yes, you can induce bacteria to evolve alcohol-resistance in a lab environment, but it's such an expensive adaptation that as soon as the alcohol exposure is reduced, the trait rapidly disappears again.

      So the real question would be, is any resistance encouraged by this nano-particle approach an expensive trait or not?

    4. Re:A researcher says what? by tmosley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Antibacterial soaps target specific molecules on the surface of bacterial membranes, or interfere with some metabolic process. This stuff directly oxidizes the bonds on the surface of the membrane. The only way to develop resistance would be to change the nature of the membrane dramatically.

      That would mean (by definition) that they have evolved into a new species. More than likely, they wouldn't be able to live inside the body anymore.

      I am working on developing a similar technology in my lab, one that I would argue is better, because it doesn't require light or UV.

    5. Re:A researcher says what? by Renraku · · Score: 4, Informative

      Its all about resources.

      Having resistance to something takes up resources. So this bacteria might need x food, whereas its paint-resistant form might need x+3 food. If there's only x+3 food available to the bacteria, that's all it can do. It can't even reproduce because x+3 isn't enough for the cells to divide. Now, what if you slathered the wall with antibacterial soap? The bacteria would need to have soap-resistance at another +2 food, which isn't there.

      It would likely die out.

      The point isn't making the wall completely sterile, but is just making it a hostile environment for bacteria. The more a bacteria has to invest to protect itself, the less it can invest in its other traits, given a limited amount of food.

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    6. Re:A researcher says what? by Peaker · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think evolution finds creative and interesting solutions to problems that we wouldn't think of.

      I wouldn't underestimate their ability to "dramatically change their membrane" (if there is no clever way to avoid it), while also being able to live in a human body.

  2. Nanotech is coming along... by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Paint for bacteria and I guess really really small brushes to paint the bacteria. Nanotech at its finest!

  3. Let's hope they keep it controller by Zarhan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tetrasodium-including soaps have already given a free boot camp for bacterias at home when folks have been buying the stuff thinking it somehow makes places healthier. There's a difference between clean and sterile environments, and clean is really all that you need.

    1. Re:Let's hope they keep it controller by Teun · · Score: 4, Interesting
      You are talking about a US problem, the too liberal, really uncontrolled, abuse of industrial strength disinfectants.

      The problem here is British, a historical lack of hygiene.

      The paint proposed could be a solution but I doubt whether they'll ever be able to recuperate the investments by lack of an export market...

      Another issue is that by now it's known nano particles are potentially in the same league as Asbestos fibres and spreading them on large surfaces might introduces other problems.

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  4. Who needs grey goo? by Toe,+The · · Score: 3, Funny

    So much for grey goo.

    Now we can have eggshell goo, sky blue goo, burnt sienna goo... the mind boggles.

  5. Re:Just what we need, more toxins in environment by yincrash · · Score: 4, Informative
    titanium dioxide is in pretty much every white thing you can see. sorry dude. you even rub it into your skin for sunblock.

    Titanium dioxide accounts for 70% of the total production volume of pigments worldwide. It is widely used to provide whiteness and opacity to products such as paints, plastics, papers, inks, foods, and toothpastes. It is also used in cosmetic and skin care products, and it is present in almost every sunblock, where it helps protect the skin from ultraviolet light.

  6. UV light triggered mechanism -- good and bad by compumike · · Score: 4, Informative

    I found an article that has much more information about the actual mechanism of the TiO2 anti-bacterial effect.

    The nice thing is that the titanium acts as a catalyst, so ideally it isn't consumed in the reaction.

    The bad thing is that this requires UV light (below 385nm), which is really only present from "ordinary fluorescent lights" because they have bad phosphor coatings. All fluorescent lights really generate tons of UV, which is downconverted to visible via that white phosphor coating on the glass. But some UV escapes, and that's the stuff that triggers this anti-bacterial reaction. So good for anti-bacterial, but bad for skin cancer.

    In any case, maybe this is the kind of thing where some dedicated UV lights could turn on when no people were in a given room, and that would make for the best of both worlds?

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  7. Old news by Jade+E.+2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So you can use this new nano-titanium paint with a UV light and kill bacteria within 96 hours... or you can use the nano-silver paint to kill them with no light needed in 2 hours. And it's been around for around 4 years.

  8. Needs more research by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A researcher [...] pointed out the problem [...]: "[A]nything that survives and sticks around grows greater resistance"

    If those were his words, then I guess this "researcher" needs to do a bit more research, perhaps starting with a book written by a certain "Charles Darwin".

    If the bacteria "stick around" it's because they are already resistant. Meaning they get to multiply, not to "grow greater resistance" (if they survived, their resistance is as "great" as it needs to be).

    All that antibiotics do (in the long run) is change the relative populations of different kinds of bacteria (eliminating the ones that aren't resistant, leaving more room and resources for the resistant ones to grow). They don't actively make bacteria "get stronger", as the quote suggests. It's not as if the bacteria send a sample of the antibiotic to their underground lab where bacterial boffins come up with an antidote. They don't even have proper immune systems.

    It's annoying when even "scientists" attribute some sort of "guiding intelligence" to the process of natural selection (or to individual bacteria, for that matter).

    P.S. - And yes, I'm aware of plasmids, but bacteria can't suddenly rush out to buy some when they need them [ * ], so it's still a matter of selection, not "self-improvement".

    [ * ] Unless they're playing Bioshock.

  9. Re:Just what we need, more toxins in environment by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually i think i heard of evidence that the titanium dioxide particles in sunscreens, especially nano particles are harmful.

    http://www.ccohs.ca/headlines/text186.html

    "With such widespread use of titanium dioxide, it is important to understand that the IARC conclusions are based on very specific evidence. This evidence showed that high concentrations of pigment-grade (powdered) and ultrafine titanium dioxide dust caused respiratory tract cancer in rats exposed by inhalation and intratracheal instillation*"

    http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/health-fitness/nanotechnology-7-07/nanoparticles-in-sunscreens/0707_nano_sunscreen_1.htm

    Lab studies indicate that both of those nano-ingredients create free radicals that damage the DNA of cells and possibly cause other harm as well. And even low exposure to nanoparticles of titanium dioxide can damage the lungs of animals if inhaled

    http://locokazoo.com/2008/08/05/the-sun-screen-health-disaster/
    http://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=6838.php

  10. Stronger? Or just different? by localman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I realize that we face a pretty tough battle with certain "superbugs", but wouldn't one expect that as these bacteria adapt immunity to current antibiotics that they'll open up a weakness to something else? I suppose it's _possible_ that they're evolving to be stronger in a general sense, but usually I think of evolution as becoming more fit for one's environment -- which usually makes one less fit for another environment. Engineering is all about tradeoffs -- whether via intelligent design (our designs) or evolution (natures "design"). We created a new environment for them by introducing antibiotics, which they've adapted to. So we'll change the environment again.

    I understand this is not simple or straightforward, but I think the idea of "superbugs" is a bit of misnomer -- they're only super until we find the next weakness, and I imagine they'll always be one, even if it takes us a while to find it.

    Cheers.

  11. Re:Well.. by Colin+Douglas+Howell · · Score: 3, Informative
    Humans didn't evolve from cockroaches or from any arthropod. The origins of the vertebrates are currently quite obscure; something closer to a lancelet seems the most likely candidate.

    Also, it's not clear that cockroaches could evolve immunity to boric acid while still remaining cockroaches. In other words, the biological changes required to make them resistant to the stuff could be so severe that we might not recognize the result as a cockroach.

  12. Antiseptic Antibiotic by grogo · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Fears about developing resistance are probably misplaced: no bacterium is resistant to chlorine, and we don't worry about it happening. The environment in the paint described in the article would be similar.

    The reason antibiotic resistance develops is because antibiotics are highly targeted to a certain bacterial mechanism, usually one enzyme or protein, or a complex of enzymes working together. For obvious reasons, these have to be enzymatic mechanisms and proteins unique to bacteria, and not found in humans, primates, mammals, etc.

    On the other hand, chlorine kills everything, regardless of details of underlying biology. Presumably, this paint would do the same, unless they evolve some complex way of dealing with titanium dioxide, which is highly unlikely IMHO.

  13. Re:Just what we need, more toxins in environment by tim_darklighter · · Score: 5, Informative

    Reading into some of your links, and being a researcher into titanium dioxide chemistry, I will tell you that the toxicity of titanium dioxide is a) nil for actual ingestion, b) high for your lungs like any small particulates, and c) unknown for sunscreen use.

    A) and B) have been known for a long time. C) is still being studied, but the results I have seen so far in peer-reviewed journals (not random health websites) show that nanoparticle sunscreens are not harmful in any real-life circumstance, and looking at your locokazoo link, the zinc oxide sunscreens are the only ones I would even consider putting on my skin. The rest are organic photo-sensitizer molecules that are more harmful than zinc oxide even without light shining on them.

    None of your links contain any scientific evidence saying nanoparticle sunscreens are harmful. Yes, titanium dioxide powder is bad for your lungs, but the titanium dioxide or zinc oxide suspended in sunscreen or mixed into paint is not particulate, and therefore has more chance of being eaten than breathed, and it is non-toxic in the digestive system. Again, no evidence has shown that the small concentration of "free" hydroxyl radicals formed when light shines on the titanium dioxide in sunscreen has any effect on exposed human surfaces.

  14. Wrong kind of logic by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So we get bacteria who adapt to live in conditions that are totally unlike the conditions inside a human body.

    It's really not a matter of what "conditions inside the human body" are like. Conditions inside the human body don't normally include the presence of vast amounts of amoxicillin, for example. And yet, when you have a bacterial infection, taking amoxicillin tablets will get rid of them for you.

    Bacteria that aren't "adapted to the conditions inside the human body" aren't a threat to begin with, so they're irrelevant. The problem with antibiotic resistance is that, if you wipe out 99% of bacteria, leaving only the 1% that are resistant to that antibiotic, when those multiply to fill the space left by the ones you killed, you have as many bacteria as you started with, but now your antibiotic is useless.

    Not that the arguments in TFA make much sense, mind you, but saying that bacterial resistance is only an issue if they're "adapting to conditions inside the human body" is missing the point. Normal conditions inside the human body don't include antibiotic drugs.