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AMD Employee Charged With Stealing Intel Secrets

IWonderWhatICanPutInThisFieldWithoutBeingDeleted writes "A man who once worked for Intel and then jumped ship to join AMD has been accused of stealing his erstwhile employer's chip secrets. Federal detectives allege they discovered 19 CAD designs and more than 100 pages of confidential Intel documentation."

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  1. Unfortunately by bugeaterr · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was the design of the Pentium Pro's floating point processor.

    1. Re:Unfortunately by operagost · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Pentium P54 had the FP bug, not the PPro. Your geek card has been revoked.

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  2. ... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The irony is that his new employer (AMD) would never touch the stolen info with a 10-foot pole. The company I work with (also in the IT sector but not hardware) has very, very clear policies around competitive information. They know just how badly it would go for them if they made use of stolen information brought in by a new (or even existing) employee.

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    1. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "AMD" wouldn't touch it but it's quite possible lower level employees would look at it to gain valuable insights. Sure they wouldn't directly clone a design but just seeing how it's done can be invaluable.

    2. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by RulerOf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (AMD) would never touch the stolen info with a 10-foot pole.

      Even if they couldn't directly plagiarize the information to enhance their current architecture (I understand there are a lot of very fundamental differences between them), it would be valuable to AMD if they could determine, for example, how fast Intel's next gen chip is going to be in order to make a product that would be able to compete better, even if it meant sacrificing margins.

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    3. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The irony is that his new employer (AMD) would never touch the stolen info with a 10-foot pole.

      It's not unlike the disgruntled Coca-Cola employees who took the Coke Zero formula to Pepsi. Pepsi wouldn't touch it with Dr. Pepper's 10-foot pole. They turned the disgruntled employees into the appropriate authorities, notified Coke and sent the formula back without breaking the seal.

      Duh. The legal hassles alone aren't worth it.

    4. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And generally they want to promote a culture of honesty and integrity. If Pepsi employees think it's okay to steal from Coke, they'll think it's okay to steal from Pepsi.

      Certain political radicals would claim that capitalism is inherently dishonest and corrupt. Although there is plenty of that, they would be amazed at the degree of integrity required to run a successful business.

    5. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The irony is that his new employer (AMD) would never touch the stolen info with a 10-foot pole. The company I work with (also in the IT sector but not hardware) has very, very clear policies around competitive information. They know just how badly it would go for them if they made use of stolen information brought in by a new (or even existing) employee.

      Only a complete and utter moron would come in with a stack of papers stolen from a competitor, I'd have him locked out of every system and escorted out the door before he could steal anything from our company. The problem is more if he's coming up with many great ideas, great analysis and great solutions - either you've scored one of those brilliant employees that drive a department or even division or he's using inside information, but there's no easy way to tell which. Or more likely, to suspect but just turn a blind eye and play completely surprised if shit hits the fan. I don't think the manager would go to legal unless it's so blatant he's sure the shit will hit the fan here and people would question why he didn't see the signs. As for legal, is that any surprise? Any lawyer that gave any other legal advice would probably be fired, disbarred and in jail.

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    6. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by eebra82 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      [..] it would be valuable to AMD if they could determine, for example, how fast Intel's next gen chip is going to be in order to make a product that would be able to compete better, even if it meant sacrificing margins.

      Help me explain your theory here. What you are suggesting is that AMD is working at less than full capacity because they don't know what Intel is prepping in the future? These two companies are bittersweet rivals and knowing that your opponent's product will be 200% faster than the previous one is not going to make AMD's scientists think harder.

      Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

    7. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by HungryHobo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Kinda surprises me that we don't see more leaked info from anon disgruntled employees.
      Would I be correct in in assuming that once something has reached the public that it loses it's "trade secret" status and can be used by anyone.
      they'd have to be careful of watermarks etc though.

    8. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And I can only assume that you are very young or haven't spent much time in business. You appear to have drunk the cool-aid that Hollywood and others have prepared about what free enterprize is truly about.

      The basic formula is this: Low integrity loses you both customers and employees. That's not to say that you can't make a profit doing this, but it's the more difficult route.

      And no, I'm not an owner or executive.

    9. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Developing a CPU takes around 4-6 years from start to first samples. This is anywhere from 3-5 generations of Moore's law. You need to guess very early on the transistor budget available to be able to make the chip affordable. If you delay the release, you get a bit more design time and a more transistors for the same cost. If AMD know now that Intel's next-generation architecture will have certain performance characteristics, then they might decide that it's worth delaying their next design a bit and rolling out a version with a few features that previously they'd thought they'd have to cut. Alternatively, it might be better for them to bring their new architecture forward and sacrifice a few features to fit it on to a smaller die.

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    10. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The basic formula is this: Low integrity loses you both customers and employees. That's not to say that you can't make a profit doing this, but it's the more difficult route.

      Sadly, not true. Low integrity makes you a short-term profit, and selects for e kind of executive who moves to a new company before it's apparent that is company has no future.

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    11. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by veganboyjosh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your comment makes me wonder what would happen if the employee from TFA would have posted the secrets to wikileaks or similar...

    12. Re:... and AMD wouldn't even touch the info by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hate to burst your bubble,
      But neither company is "decades" ahead.
      Both are roughly 4-5 years ahead on transistor design, less so on architecture. Based on what I do know of business, if they were decades ahead on a product they would get it to market ASAP, not sit on it.

      Any time you see a tech company "sitting" on something for a trade show, it's because they are still trying to get it to work as close to flawlessly as possible, not because they are hoarding technology.

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  3. AMD and Intel? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Toyota and Ferrari?

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    1. Re:AMD and Intel? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Toyota engineers were found guilty of stealing industrial secrets from the Ferrari F1 team. Not so off-topic, nor alegory for AMD and Intel respectively. Just a similar situation.

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    2. Re:AMD and Intel? by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Toyota engineers were found guilty of stealing industrial secrets from the Ferrari F1 team.

      I don't get it. Toyota drivers don't have to compensate for small penises like Ferrari drivers.

    3. Re:AMD and Intel? by martinw89 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have no idea about anything regarding Toyota and Ferrari. I can tell you, however, that McLaren and Ferrari were involved in a huge scandal just this past year. This was a big deal.

    4. Re:AMD and Intel? by dotfile · · Score: 3, Funny

      My Porsche owning friend takes an entirely different kind of ribbing. You know the difference between a Porsche and a porcupine?


      The porcupine has the pricks on the outside.


      Yeah, OK, mod me off-topic now. I can take it.

  4. couldn't help it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    He took the "Intel Inside" campaign too far.

  5. Alleged motive: to impress his new employer by rickkas7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Poaching the dumb employees from your competitor is probably not the most sound business plan, either.

    1. Re:Alleged motive: to impress his new employer by Sobrique · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damnit, that's where I've been going wrong!

    2. Re:Alleged motive: to impress his new employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Pani's alleged motive: to impress his new employer" ... because it would impress me to have a potential new hire admit he stole proprietary information from his prior employer...

      I'd thank him, and not make an offer - because he's pretty much admitted if you hire him and he leaves your company, he'll take *your* proprietary information with him too!! LOL

  6. Re:On the plus side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We all steal IP when we leave. Most of us do it in our heads however.

  7. His resume by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I doubt "dumb" or "thief" was on his resumee.

    No it was this:

    • Leveraged competitor's technology in projects.
    • Saved employer millions of dollars in R&D costs
    • Discovered new and improved technologies for employer that was later found in competitor's products.
  8. Re:Oh No! by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Informative

    You're trying to be funny, but "CAD designs" isn't redundant. The two instances of the word "design" refer to different definitions of the word (design = plan, vs design = process of making a design), so they aren't redundant.

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  9. Re:On the plus side... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh holy spagetti monster, every IT person and CS person absolutely rapes the IP when they leave.

    In my boxes that I used to clean out my desk is at least 30 confidential documents that were packed there by the moving company, (I got to keep my desk! that was cool!) and I know I have copies of all the code I wrote when I was there as well as all the SQL queries I wrote.

    I have yet to meet someone that says, "I just left company X, no I don't have anything from my old job..." or " I cant fix that, I fixed that at company Y and they own the IP to that fix."

    All of you rape and pillage IP when you leave. Accidentally or on purpose, you do it. Being a moron and trying to SELL that or taking it with malicious intent? that is the kicker. if he had it because that is how his desk was packed up for him then it's not his fault, nor is he liable for anything.

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  10. Re:Zomg... by Prefader · · Score: 3, Informative

    This has nothing to do with AMD competing with Intel. It appears that AMD didn't use the documents, and the employee made the copies on his own, "out of curiosity".

  11. crimes like this will have to become legal soon by denis-The-menace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The sad thing is that such laws are only respected in countries like the US and UK.

    Soon countries like China will be able to have much better technologies because they can take the best from all sides and create a super product. Even if the US and UK forbid the importation of such products, companies in the US and UK would be at a disadvantage selling inferior product to other countries.

    Patents and copyrights will prove to be our downfall since they no longer encourage progress but prevent it.

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  12. It doesn't matter for me. by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm married. My wife keeps my penis in a mason jar under the sink. It only comes out when she wants it.

  13. One thing that has always irked me... by gillbates · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is that I frequently have ideas at home. And write them down. And later use them at work.

    Would the discovery of these documents in my home constitute evidence of "stealing trade secrets" in the eyes of my employer? If I decided to leave my current employer and work for the competition, would those hobby projects of mine be a liability?

    I'm just curious, because I do quite a bit of independent development, and from time to time, it becomes valuable at work.

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    1. Re:One thing that has always irked me... by faloi · · Score: 3, Informative

      It depends on your contract. Some employers have, essentially, an "all your ideas are belong to us" type clause. Anything you work on, on or off the clock, is their property. At one company I worked for, even if it was something that wasn't related to the industry, you submitted it to their lawyers and applied for leave to pursue it on your own if the company wasn't interested. Essentially, they give you your IP back.

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  14. Such a foolish crime... by east+coast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How do people think that they're going to pass this along and not get caught by some method?

    Hell, after the Coca Cola incident I would be fearful of having my new employer even know I have such information, let alone use it in some manner.

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  15. Re:On the plus side... by networkconsultant · · Score: 4, Funny

    During the course of my career I've signed enough Non-Disclosure agreements that it's illegal for me to think; Anecdotes often result in law suits.

  16. Re:On the plus side... by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh holy spagetti monster, every IT person and CS person absolutely rapes the IP when they leave.

    In my boxes that I used to clean out my desk is at least 30 confidential documents that were packed there by the moving company, (I got to keep my desk! that was cool!) and I know I have copies of all the code I wrote when I was there as well as all the SQL queries I wrote.

    I have yet to meet someone that says, "I just left company X, no I don't have anything from my old job..." or " I cant fix that, I fixed that at company Y and they own the IP to that fix."

    All of you rape and pillage IP when you leave. Accidentally or on purpose, you do it. Being a moron and trying to SELL that or taking it with malicious intent? that is the kicker. if he had it because that is how his desk was packed up for him then it's not his fault, nor is he liable for anything.

    Except, in this case, he joined AMD while still employed at Intel. He joined AMD June 2. He gave Intel his resignation JUne 11 (and used vacation instead of working through the 2 weeks). Thus he was under the employment of both companies (who we all know are competitors) for a period of time. This goes beyond innocent "rape and pillage" of IP. At least that's part of your cleanup of your stuff, which you do before you start employment at your new employer. And anything you take is covered under NDA or other confidentiality agreeement. But this guy could not only have taken stuff from Intel and gave them to AMD, he could've (unlikely, but possible) taken stuff from AMD given them to Intel, too, and done it quite surreptitiously.

    AMD would have to fire this guy because this would "taint" him, and by association, AMD, who then might have to battle Intel in some lawsuit alleging they used some of those designs in their next processor. AMD might not have, but because this guy has been working at both companies, it's very hard to tell, and AMD really has to do some house cleaning on anything this guy touched to make sure it's clean, and even then, it's hard to tell (the irony is, they can't tell if they're using that stolen IP without knowing what the stolen IP is...

  17. Correction... by Jorophose · · Score: 4, Funny

    P53.989484848488889999999 according to Intel.