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YouTube Bans Gun and Knife Videos In the UK

PatPending writes with a depressing excerpt from the UK's Metro: "The Google-owned video-sharing site YouTube has decided to introduce the ban [on weapons-related videos] for the UK only amid widespread unease about the increase in knife crime in the country. 'We recognise that there has been particular concern over videos in the UK that involve showing weapons with the aim of intimidation, and this is one of the areas we are addressing,' a YouTube spokesperson said. 'I would like to see other internet service providers follow suit to reinforce our message that violence will not be tolerated either on the internet or in the real world,' she said."

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  1. 'cause everyone knows by ichbineinneuben · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Guns and knives don't kill people. Videos kill people.

    1. Re:'cause everyone knows by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Informative


      Knives are this month's hysteria in the UK. That's not to say there isn't a problem with knife use in the UK. And it isn't to say that videos on YouTube can't be used for intimidation of specific people and so should be removed in such cases. But one day, the media suddenly went into a feeding frenzy, police chiefs were trotting out their most ridiculous arrays or seized weapons (including a photo of a Star Trek replica weapon at one point) and Home Secretaries were trying to look all grave and serious talking about the knife epidemic sweeping our nation.

      It may be a serious issue. But it's definitely something that Labour are trying to use for political gain and as a fear stick.

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    2. Re:'cause everyone knows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But one day, the media suddenly went into a feeding frenzy, police chiefs were trotting out their most ridiculous arrays or seized weapons (including a photo of a Star Trek replica weapon at one point) and Home Secretaries were trying to look all grave and serious talking about the knife epidemic sweeping our nation.

      I'm looking forward to the upcoming Brick Epidemic, the following Cobblestone Conundrum, and finally the Pointy-stick Problem.

      Before it is all over you English won't be allowed possession of anything harder than mushy peas. I've no idea how you'll manage to cook them or mash them for that matter because anything sufficiently rigid enough to cook them in or mash them with will have been made illegal to possess.

      Turing word: disarm
      (Sometimes I swear they're added a lexical analyzer.)

    3. Re:'cause everyone knows by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Funny

      With a name like "Foobar of Borg"? Please. At worst you assimilate people. More likely, though, you just run around at Star Trek conventions, pretending that you matter.

    4. Re:'cause everyone knows by dangitman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ban guns, gun crime skyrockes. Ban knives, knife crime escalates.

      That actually never happened. Violent crime has been dropping in Britain.

      BTW, if you like the way that England is going with this, vote Obama, he's got the same thing in mind for America.

      Riiiiiiiggght. Got any evidence to back that up?

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    5. Re:'cause everyone knows by paganizer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Interesting reality you live in there.
      results of a really quick google search:
      http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html (england & gun control)
      the Obama thing is a little hard to pin down, as he has been pretty good at avoiding any straight answers. But you could start here: http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
      note: if you are pro-gun control, you obviously won't see anything wrong with this.

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    6. Re:'cause everyone knows by atriusofbricia · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm not surprised you got modded "flamebait"; how DARE you criticize Obama! Besides, he is definitely NOT planning on the same thing as England, he just wants to ban all semi-automatic weapons; you could still have your double-barrel shotguns, bolt action rifles and single action revolvers as long as you live outside of an Urban area. I guess a person could be concerned that he hasn't defined what an Urban area is...but still, shut up! he Gives us hope!

      But, you can only possess those as long as you can find a gun store which would still be in operation. Under a 1999 Obama proposal, all gun stores within five miles of any school or park. Such a law, if actually proposed and passed, would kill off pretty much every gun store in the country which wasn't way in the boonies. Now, this admittedly wasn't proposed as a bill (as that would require him to have actually done something). This was proposed in a speech at an anti-rights rally. Yep, a real rights supporter he. ;)

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    7. Re:'cause everyone knows by damburger · · Score: 4, Funny

      There have already been calls in this country to ban kitchen knives with a point, I shit you not. Some chefs have said that you can use knives without points for most things anyway, and that pointless knives are the norm in China and they do OK.

      Others point out that gang violence in China simply involves fatal hackings instead of fatal stabbings.

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    8. Re:'cause everyone knows by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can with a car, too. In fact, especially if you don't know how. Let's ban cars!

      Or maybe we could require anyone who wants to operate a car to pass some kind of test and medical exam first. Regulate drivers, with something like a driving license, or something ?

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    9. Re:'cause everyone knows by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Call me some kind of freak or something, but why the fuck would you want to own a gun?

      1. I like target shooting
      2. I like to collect finely made items
      3. I live way the hell out in the country, and coyotes have been taking some of the smaller livestock
      4. I like to and it is legal
      5. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away

      (These may or may not apply to me personally)

      The idiots on Youtube? Bust em. They shouldn't be allowed near a squirtgun.
      But a firearm in my hands is zero danger to you. You're in more danger from your neighbors car. Unless of course you try to do harm to me and mine.

      Are you that paranoid?

    10. Re:'cause everyone knows by itsdapead · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How did the English, who once ruled a vast empire, become such sissified little bitches?

      We have knives.

      The USA has Janet Jackson's nipple... or, in some states, try mentioning dice (gambling!) or magic (religion!) in a school maths book.

      I remember once, while visiting the USA, I caught a showing of the British political satire/thriller "To Play The King" on PBS. PBS felt it necessary to prefix the show with a patronising lecture on why monarchies were a bad thing and the US had fought a war of independence against the idea. I was astounded - we might get warnings about potentially offensive material/flashing lights/may contain nuts before a show, we might get slightly edited versions of shows which are shown when the kids are awake, we might get "helpline numbers" if a show mentions child abuse or AIDS but we do not get lectured on how we should interpret the show we are about to see.

      Different folks, different disproportionate obsessions, I suppose. Now, the knife crime figures are being shamelessly talked up at the moment, but I think its pretty safe to say that they account for more deaths than "wardrobe malfunction".

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    11. Re:'cause everyone knows by pwizard2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Call me some kind of freak or something, but why the fuck would you want to own a gun?

      It's about freedom. As an American, I have certain rights that people before me fought and died to give me. One of these is gun ownership, as described in the constitution. As a competent, law-abiding citizen, I should be able to own a gun if I wish and be able to freely use it in certain instances, such as for sport or in cases where my life or someone else's life is directly being threatened. Even in the last scenario, I would not pull the trigger unless I had no choice.

      Now, gun ownership isn't for everyone, and I can understand that. Some people feel the need to have a gun around for legitimate purposes, such as protection, collection, or hunting (I'm from Alabama, and quite a bit of hunting goes on down here) Some people don't want a gun, and that's okay, too.

      Freedom is about letting both types of people have what they want. I'm all for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, but never at the expense of freedom.

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    12. Re:'cause everyone knows by electrictroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      First they took our guns.

      Then they took away our right of free speech.

      Next they took us to the cotton plantation to work the fields.

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    13. Re:'cause everyone knows by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Funny


      Ain't that just like an american, to bring guns to a knife discussion.

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    14. Re:'cause everyone knows by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns." You do realize that gun control and safety measures are different than banning guns, don't you?

      Gun control advocates have employed a slippery slope approach to accomplishing what they cannot do outright. For example. here in Massachusetts, handgun licenses are issued only at the discretion of the local chief of police. While that sounds reasonable on its face, what this means in terms of real-world effect is that the police chiefs of certain towns and cities have de facto repealed the Second Amendment for most citizens. Patterns of abuse range from outright denial of a permit to a qualified and law-abiding citizen, to simply never allowing the process to finish, by dragging it out for months.

      My right to vote, or free speech, or freedom of worship do not depend on my police chief's permission, nor should they. Why should my right to bear arms be restricted? I have not been deemed a threat to anyone around me. The free speech and fifth amendment rights of a convicted murderer/rapist receive more protection than the self-defense rights of an innocent man in this country.

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    15. Re:'cause everyone knows by localman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More guns means less crime in some areas. It means more crime in other areas. Generally speaking I support gun rights, but I wish people who do would admit that in very socially messed up places, giving more people guns does not improve things. If it did, then the gangs in LA would be at peace, right?

      Guns as a deterrent depends on people valuing their lives, accepting mortality, but believing they can live longer if they're careful. If you're young enough, tough enough, dumb enough, or your life is shitty enough, that might not be the case, and thus you end up amplifying the mess by giving everyone a license to kill.

      Guns don't cause violence, but they don't uniformly solve it either. And in some places they can exasperate it. When gun control people and gun rights people can agree on these facts, maybe a productive discussion can begin.

      Cheers.

    16. Re:'cause everyone knows by bogjobber · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I just have two counterpoints to make.

      The first is that correlation does not equal causation. Sure, the US has very liberal firearm laws, but that's not really the most important factor. Take a look at Canada. They have similar gun laws, but a much lower murder rate. Brazil has more restrictive laws, but a much higher murder rate.

      The largest factor for these high murder rates is poverty. The US is a very wealthy place but neighborhoods of extreme poverty exist in most cities. Generally speaking wealthy people don't kill each other, poor people do. Passing a law criminalizing guns wouldn't save many lives, fixing the root cause would.

      Second, waving a gun at somebody is a crime in the US. You just can't go about brandishing firearms here. I'm not sure why you seem to think that would make it more difficult to catch criminals. In the US having a automatic weapon (usually) doesn't make you a criminal, so they don't need to be caught. They only need to be caught if they actually commit a crime.

  2. Sometimes, self-regulation is scarier than outside by compumike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, I'm a bit torn here.

    I think it's really oppressive when governments do things like telling a company that they'd have to do something like this (which the government did *not* do)... But it's almost scarier that they're doing it on their own initiative as a company. It's like one of those many situations in which someone will self-regulate to a stronger degree than is necessary just to present the appearance that outside regulation is not necessary. I certainly believe that Google/YouTube has the right to do this, but not necessarily that they should. So is it better that this came from within rather than from external forces?

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  3. UK is full of spineless pussies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    VIDEO of weapons scares them? Do they ban Schwarzenegger movies too?

    1. Re:UK is full of spineless pussies by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Funny

      personally know several people who have been robbed using Arnold Schwarzenegger as a deadly weapon. They call the victim's "California Taxpayers" :)

      (jk - I think he has been lowering taxes)

    2. Re:UK is full of spineless pussies by rossz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uhm, it doesn't matter how much they raise or lower the taxes in California. There will always be a shortfall because non-discretionary spending is set (by law) at something like 103% of the state budget. Idiot people kept voting in mandatory money for their pet projects. 3% here, 5% there, and now we are required to spend more than will be available.

      That is what Ahnold meant when he said the budget is inherently broken. Fixing it is proving impossible. No one is willing to cut even one dollar from anything. I'd like to see a (state) Constitutional amendment that penalizes the members of the assembly by not paying them for the periods when we don't have a budget. I think we're up to three months now. A 25% salary cut across the board for all assembly members sounds like a damn good idea. Alternately, we could just lynch a few of the bastards. Either way works for me.

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  4. As can be logically concluded... by Kingrames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody knows how to use a knife until they first search for it on youtube.

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  5. Working link by RockMFR · · Score: 4, Informative
  6. 'knife crime?' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    pure idiocy.

    no one seems to realize that there is no such thing as "gun" or "knife" crime. there is crime, and the most convenient tool to carry it out with for threatening people and causing harm. where guns are available this is the tool, where guns are not it's knives or bludgeoning implements.

    'knife crime' is going up because that's what is available.

    i've gotten a hell of a lot of decent information about my firearm from youtube (if you keep it to videos featuring nationally recognized figures you can't get steered too wrong, like todd jarett).

    this is just a plain stupid move on youtube's part.

  7. Cooking knives by Lucky75 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What about videos describing how to cut food properly? Are they going to ban all the videos that teach you how to cook too? Maybe TV shows or movies/trailers with violence in them? Yep, it's those darn youtube videos that are really causing all the violence.

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  8. Really increased? by duck0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I remember hearing about this on BBC's radio4...

    A quick search later found this article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7421534.stm

    According to the British Crime Survey (BCS), overall violent crime has decreased by 41% since a peak in 1995.
    Knives are used in about 8% of violent incidents, according to the BCS, a level that has largely remained the same during the past decade.

    However:

    But the BCS figures do not include under-16s, something which the Home Secretary Jacqui Smith announced this month would change.

  9. Re:can't get to TFA. by Translation+Error · · Score: 5, Funny

    The link in the summary goes to "http://slashdot.org/ahref=". Nice.

    They thought it was unfair how the few people who actually read the articles have a huge advantage in discussing them, so they decided to level the playing field.

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  10. Re:first post by BPPG · · Score: 4, Informative

    I must admit, these trollish little first posts do make good place holders.

    TFA should probably be http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7621013.stm. Interestingly enough, it makes use of the increasingly ubiquitous "vet".

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  11. Awesome idea! by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 5, Informative
    This will work great, until every kid in the UK finds that he can replace the "uk" in "uk.youtube.com" with "www" and see awesome, inspirational stuff like:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEoiu2Coxrc or

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IHQqW8zOSk

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  12. A few simple steps - by ColaMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    'I would like to see other internet service providers follow suit to reinforce our message that violence will not be tolerated either on the internet or in the real world,' she said.

    First it's guns,
    then it's knives,
    then it's drunken louts with their angry fists,
    then it's "unsavoury behaviour" in the street,
    then it's public demonstrations/rallies,
    then it's any dissent at all.

    All for the good of the people, of course.

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  13. Re:first post by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you actually read the blog post you linked, you would find that 'vet' "has been used in Britain since the early years of the 20th century". Actually we use it more widely than the screening of a candidate for public office: I consider it a straight synonym for 'screen' in the sense of investigation and filtering. The BBC usage of vetting videos is one example; another would be the vetting of people who work in a security-conscious environment.

  14. "the increase in knife crime in the UK" is a lie. by Karellen · · Score: 4, Informative

    Knife crime has not increased in the UK.

    Reporting of knife crime in the UK has increased dramatically. It just happens to be what the papers happen to be focusing on this year. Last year it was the McCann thing. A few years ago it was the great paedophile threat, which came about due to one or two high-profile cases featuring photogenic young girls. Before that it was ... thankfully I can't remember.

    Anyway, the papers finally decided they needed new "fear" stories to run and grab headlines with. Knife crime appears to be the one they're rallied around this time.

    You are still much, much more likely to die in a car accident than to be stabbed to death by a "teenage yob". Doesn't make good headlines though or instill the same level of fear though, does it?

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  15. Re:first post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The BBC should use 'vet' because it's been in common usage in the UK for the last 100 years.

    This 'new' word is only new to the US.

  16. Re:Sometimes, self-regulation is scarier than outs by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the internet is NOT a ticket to do as you please.

    True.

    And if those videos commit a real crime (as in, an actual murder rather than some twit mangling a perfectly good side of beef), they at least provide evidence to use against the attacker.

    If not? Well, I fail to see the problem with some twit mangling a side of beef, as long as he owns it.