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T-Mobile Launches £2 Per Day Mobile Broadband

Mark.J writes "ISPreview reports that T-Mobile UK has launched an interesting range of new off-the-shelf Mobile Broadband products that do not require customers to sign-up under a long-term contract. The pay-as-you-go (PAYG) style products cost from only £2 per day for 'unlimited' access (3GB Fair Usage Policy applies). To access T-Mobile pre-pay Mobile Broadband, customers simply need to purchase a USB (Modem) Stick 110, which includes a memory card, for just £49.99 and plug it into a laptop to access their favourite websites. Credit can be topped up direct from the laptop and customers are able to select whichever package suits them at the time." For American readers, that's about $3.66 right now -- plus shipping yourself to the UK.

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  1. The daily rate is outrageously expensive by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Assuming you check your webmail once a day on your phone, the daily rate will run you 60lbs a month.

    The only package that really makes any sense is the 30 day plan:

    30 Day
    For customers that will use mobile broadband regularly but do not want to commit to a year-long contract, Mobile Broadband 30 Day is the option. Mobile Broadband for thirty days offers unlimited broadband access for only £20.

    Still, you're living in the UK, so it's not all wine and roses.

    1. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Computershack · · Score: 5, Funny

      Still, you're living in the UK, so it's not all wine and roses.

      Could be worse. I could be living in the USA where the next 300 years taxes my family will be paying will go straight into the pockets of the fat cat investment banks.

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    2. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      This sounds more like an aircard deal, not for broadband on the phone. I pay $70/month now for my (s-l-o-w) verizon aircard, if T-mobile brought this deal to the US I'd sure try it.

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    3. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Wine and roses? In the US it's all cheap beer and dandelions :) I now understand the difference in the cost of living in Lodon..!

    4. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      I meant the monthly rate, of course. Much better deal.

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    5. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I'm only going to use it twice a month, the daily rate is clearly better value for me than the monthly rate. If you use the daily rate and end up paying more than the monthly rate then yes, you are dumb and should switch to the monthly rate. £2 a day doesn't sound all that bad at all, provided they can actually provide decent speeds.

    6. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by mr_matticus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but it's absolutely fantastic if you travel frequently to the UK for short stints. Paying £7 for a week's worth of fairly generous 3G data access, or £2/day, or any other tiers they may have is a great option for those of us where this is the case. This is especially true of corporate accounts that have disabled international data roaming in the downturn, leaving overseas cell and data usage to a tedious reimbursement system (designed to drive people mad before actually cutting any checks/cheques).

      At £2 a day, it can come out of the per diem and no one will miss it enough to file for reimbursement.

      For vacation travelers, they've got Internet access without being nickel-and-dimed with usage charges based on kB.

      I'm not aware of anything competitive with this in the US, or in most European countries, for that matter--usually I've just seen monthly unlimited plans (for cheap enough prices that it's worth paying, even if you're just there for a week, but still).

    7. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by clang_jangle · · Score: 2, Funny

      In the US it's all cheap beer and

      Depends what part -- where I live it's all moonshine and lilacs.

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    8. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 1

      ...but if you're checking your email every day you won't be going for the GBP 2 per day option, you'll go for the GBP 20 per month option. I can see the 2 quid a day option being useful for frequent business trips; use regular land-line ADSL for regular use, and buy 6 quid's worth of mobile broadband for that trip to London.

      ...and 20 quid a month for 3GB? I'm paying about that ($50 NZ) for 1GB (that's 1GB per month). Damn Vodafone NZ.

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    9. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Firehed · · Score: 1

      Naturally, but that's how almost the entire cell industry works. You can get overchanged a couple of times a month for features you rarely use (and get heinously shafted if you end up using them frequently), or you can get overcharged by more once per month for unlimited-use features. See text message plans - $10/mo for unlimited, or 10c each (or whatever). Both are stupidly expensive for what you get, but it's quite obvious that after 100 texts you'd be foolish not to switch off the per-message plan.

      That said, £2 ($4) for a day of internet isn't too bad, especially considering that you'll probably pay more than that for a few hours at Starbucks.

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    10. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      your missing the point, it's fair to say most people who want broadband have it at home it's fairly cheap too.

      Occasionally you want broadband elsewhere and this is quite a good deal but T-mobile tends to limit service in terms of ports and content. for example youtube is blocked by default till you demonstrate you are over 18. as are other social networking sites (but not slashdot).

      Some might think its to stop users using too much bandwidth but its to protect the children.

      To be honest 3 offer better rates and less restrictions e.g a pay as you go usb modem is the same price and £10 would get you a gb for a month or £15 for 3gb which is probably more useful. (E.g. on holiday for a week or two) Like home would give data on sister networks provided your within range and covers a fair number of countries.

    11. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Orange have had a better deal for years.

      £5 per month for offpeak internet, then £1 per day if you use it onpeak.

      My broadband was out of action for two weeks, so for £10 additional cost, I was able to work over my phone. (Normal Nokia N70, via bluetooth). 3G is more than fast enough.

      No limits: I did 3GB in a fortnight.

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    12. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

      I think you're missing the point.

      "Unlimited internet access" is not for the casual user. The casual user who wants to check email while on the go doesn't need 3Gb of data per day. They need a few kilobytes of packets on a sporadic basis. Per-packet plans can help these users just fine.

      It is business users and heavy users who need unlimited access. And if these users need this kind of access at all, they need it all the time. Having a daily rate, even a weekly rate, makes very little sense since these users will be requiring the service all the time.

      But then again, these are PAYG plans. These users will most likely already be signed up to a long-term contract plan.

      So if there is any point that I'm missing, it's the point of having this kind of plan in the first place.

    13. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by calmofthestorm · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'll console myself by watching YouTube and not having to incriminate myself by turning over encryption keys for no reason.

      By the time those are illegal here I imagine the UK will require the Implants.

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    14. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Tim+Browse · · Score: 3, Funny

      You lucky bastards. Here in the UK we dream of YouTube not being illegal and being able to watch it ourselves!

    15. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      Call me daft, but doesn't Orange PAYG still have the "pay £1 for 24 hours (max, ends at midnight) unlimited access @ 384kbps?

      I have been using that for years. It actually did say "unlimited".

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    16. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by digitalchinky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      $4 per day with a 3 gigabyte cap per month. I'm not sure which part of the world you live in where you are ok with throwing away $100 USD per month for internet on your phone - in real world terms it costs the network provider a tiny fraction of that to support you - so this is a crazy amount of money for such a small return.

      In Asia I pay a little over $30 USD per month for unlimited data on my phone (3.5g) I run bittorrent on my N95 and regularly fill up the 8 gigabyte memory stick. Starbucks has free internet in this part of the world.

    17. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by RMH101 · · Score: 1

      it's nothing new. vodafone payg is capped at 1 ukp per day, o2 do a 20 ukp/month unlimited plan; just get the sim and put in your 3g modem

    18. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Troll

      Here in the UK we dream of YouTube not being illegal and being able to watch it ourselves!

      Judging from the number of surveillance cameras I saw last time I was in the UK, you are all going to be on YouTube.

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    19. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      In Asia I pay a little over $30 USD per month for unlimited data on my phone (3.5g) I run bittorrent on my N95 and regularly fill up the 8 gigabyte memory stick. Starbucks has free internet in this part of the world.

      Yes, but you have to live in Asia. See, there's always a tradeoff.

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    20. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously, the daily rate sounds good. I find that I don't really need broadband access to my mobile every single day. This way, I can pay (a lot) for what I use.

      I wouldn't mind hourly metering, to be honest. Not at home, mind you, but on the road, sure.

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    21. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2, Funny

      those surveillance cameras are entirely there solely to provide the next generation with episodes of Police Camera Action to keep them docile. Nothing to do with checking up on us or keeping us safe.

      Except of course, the ones on the roads, they're just there to raise revenue.

    22. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming you check your webmail once a day on your phone, the daily rate will run you 60lbs a month.

      Thats some pretty heavy data...! lbs aren't £s...

    23. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      With hourly metering, you get into the zone uselessness--the administrative costs go up, the transaction costs skyrocket, and the price can't possibly get much better than £2. Anything below 50p/hour is not realistically conceivable and it just doesn't make sense, since there's no real savings to speak of.

      Where there is hourly access, it's been my experience that the cost is usually a few Euros/pounds/$5US and up. Partly profiteering, admittedly, so they could lower prices to compete with T-Mobile. But T-Mo has effectively priced that service out of the market, which ends up working well.

      Most people get quite reasonable daily access, in part made possible (i.e., subsidized) by people like you who might only use an hour or two, but who are willing to shell out an extra pound for the convenience. Nobody gets hosed. It's pretty close to win-win.

    24. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by mr_matticus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      $4 per day with a 3 gigabyte cap per month. I'm not sure which part of the world you live in where you are ok with throwing away $100 USD per month for internet on your phone

      I'm not sure what part of the world you live in where you would pay a daily rate for 30 days when a monthly plan at a third the price is available.

      Or you could go with Orange, who has £5/month mobile data, but you give up 3G speeds (GPRS only, last time I used it).

      Keeping in mind the general high cost of goods and services in the UK relative to Asia and the United States, not to mention the unusually low cost of Internet services in Asia, their $55/month 3G isn't bad at all. Not everywhere can match the blissful data paradise of Asia and Scandinavia.

    25. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

      The T mobile plan is expensive and certainly not the first.
      In Spain Yoigo offers daily dial-up at 1.5 Euros a day (while Euro trades at 1.5 to the dollar, a pound is worth 1.7 ). I am actually using that to post right now. The speed sucks (Yoigos, that is, no idea about Tmobile) so I have virtually unlimited bandwidth - there is no way I am going to hit the maximum download limit
      The pleasant surprise is that the Huwaei E220 modem that the gave me is supported on ubuntu. All I had to do was run wvdialconf and it started working.

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    26. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Per packet is on the way out. Too many users have been burnt by ridiculously high invoices because they didn't realize how much a visit to a normal web page costs when your traffic is billed in dollars per megabyte.

    27. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Adam+Hazzlebank · · Score: 1

      Assuming you check your webmail once a day on your phone, the daily rate will run you 60lbs a month.

      The only package that really makes any sense is the 30 day plan:

      30 Day For customers that will use mobile broadband regularly but do not want to commit to a year-long contract, Mobile Broadband 30 Day is the option. Mobile Broadband for thirty days offers unlimited broadband access for only £20.

      Still, you're living in the UK, so it's not all wine and roses.

      This is a rip off... O2 offer "unlimited" data and wifi for 10GBP a month on Pay and Go ("excessive usage" limit applies. 3 Mobile do mobile broadband at 10GBP for 1 Gig of transfer a month. 2GBP a day seems insane to me.

    28. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Adam+Hazzlebank · · Score: 1

      $4 per day with a 3 gigabyte cap per month. I'm not sure which part of the world you live in where you are ok with throwing away $100 USD per month for internet on your phone - in real world terms it costs the network provider a tiny fraction of that to support you - so this is a crazy amount of money for such a small return.

      In Asia I pay a little over $30 USD per month for unlimited data on my phone (3.5g) I run bittorrent on my N95 and regularly fill up the 8 gigabyte memory stick. Starbucks has free internet in this part of the world.

      This is a rip off even in the UK, I don't know how it got on the front page of slashdot (yea, I must be new here). You can get "unlimited" mobile data for 10GBP a month here (3G) with O2 on pay and go.

    29. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

      There is nothing competitive in Europe?
      You clearly have'nt looked hard enough. I've been traveling Europe and the easiest way to get internet without going through the complicated identification requirements is to get a mobile internet connection. In Vodafone and Orange have similar services in UK and portugal. Spain has Yoigo, Orange etc. France has the same operators, but I am not sure they'll let you use it on a day-to-day basis

      In India Reliance/Airtel will let you dial-up for a month for something like $10. (whats that 6 euros? )

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    30. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I subscribed to Three Mobile Broadband for £15 a month. 18-month contract and 5Gb limit. This is cheap compared to the others but go over the 5Gb and it will cost you 10pence a megabyte, or £100 a gigabyte. Once you go over, even accidentally, they will let the figure mount until it reaches 750Mb (£75). It is a rip off really, but not unexpected from the greedy mobile carriers.

    31. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Adam+Hazzlebank · · Score: 1

      O2 have a better plan, 10GBP a month flat rate for mobile internet on pay and go.

    32. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do these scheming thieves insist that you have to charge double if a contract is not involved? What a joke.

      The second that a Cell Phone company, offering solid service with rich features, opens with better prices and no contracts, is the day everyone in that region breaks their existing contracts and never looks back. That will be one rich company, and so long as they continue a high level of service, they have no reason for demanding a contract, their customers will not jump ship.

    33. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1

      speeds on tmobile uk are pretty decent and their bandwidth is prettygood.

      It has HSDPA (3.5g) with speeds reaching 7.2Mbps this year (last year was 3.6mbps) next year, they hope to take it to 10mpbs, and by 2011 to 20mbps.

      You dont pay extra for 3g....

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    34. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1

      It'd be awesome if they did bring this or a similar deal to the US, but if you think your Verizon card's slow . . . well . . . most of T-Mobile's network in the U.S. isn't 3g yet, so you'll get GPRS and Edge most of the time.

    35. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by digitalchinky · · Score: 1

      Well, there are some perks, the millions and millions of hot looking Asian chicks for instance. :-) Never a dull day.

    36. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The other T-Mobile plan is something ludicrous per KB (0.73p, I think) but with a £1/day cap. You can optionally buy 5 days for £2.50, so if you use it for more than three days it's worth it. The AUP for this is only 40MB/day, but that's enough for IM, email, a little bit of browsing and using Google Maps mobile. I switched to this when I realised how infrequently I was using the data on my contract.

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    37. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      You're the second poster to suggest this, so I went and took a look at O2. Their £10/month bolt-on is to use with an original iPhone only. I'd prefer to use my existing phone, which supports tethering with my laptop or 770 via Bluetooth.

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    38. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Joker1980 · · Score: 1

      The problem is we aren't on youtube were on thiertube.

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    39. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Assuming you check your webmail once a day on your phone, the daily rate will run you 60lbs a month"

      Sounds like a good weight loss program

    40. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Adam+Hazzlebank · · Score: 1

      I think the Wifi deal if for the iPhone only, the Edge/3G deal for any phone: http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/paygo/o2webbolton I've used it with a standard O2 SIM before. The EDGE/3G deal is only 7.50

    41. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by stfvon007 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      RTFA. it only charges you on days you actually use it. You can use it once or twice a month and only pay a small amount, but still be able to have it for when you want it. they have weekly and monthly rates too if you want that. (less than $20 for a week, less than $40 for a month)

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    42. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Stevecrox · · Score: 1

      But then your stuck with Orange, I'd rather pay more with someone else then hve to deal with Orange.

    43. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by linzeal · · Score: 1

      The UK is the size and approximate climate of Oregon and it is alot easier to do any sort of wireless coverage in a country that is well populated with hills and mountains as both are; however, the population densities are rather low in the US as a whole and rather high in Southern England and Northern Ireland, and it will take at least a decade more before we see coverage throughout the western US. You can already get unlimited data for ~100 bucks a month with cell phone service from ATT, Verizon and the like. The separate plans suck though for the US.

    44. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      I guess it is designed for occasional users. I pay £15 per month to Three for 3Gb per month, but for someone who uses it less than 7 days per month, TMobile would be cheaper.

    45. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      As a business user, I only need mobile access when I'm out of the office; and I'm not out of the office all the time, maybe about 10 weeks per year. I use Three's PAYG and buy monthly vouchers as I need them. If I was only out for one week in a month, then TMobile would be cheaper than Three.

    46. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by caluml · · Score: 1

      Not sure if anyone has already mentioned this (I suspect so), but 1 lb is 1 pound in weight, and £1 is 1 GBP. You can use £ for the symbol if you don't have a UK keyboard. Oh, and no, you can't use the hash (#) symbol for either (at least in the UK). We don't even use it to mean "number", as in #1. In fact, stupid bloody symbol. Just means "comment in PHP" to me.

    47. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by TheEvilOverlord · · Score: 1

      I think you're missing the point. This is very cheap compared to the other available options.

      If you travel alot, or you're just visiting the UK, you either need to sign up for mobile Internet via your phone (with a monthly fee) or use WiFI hotspots, which really are outrageously expensive (typically £6 for an hour!)

      So £2 for a whole day and you don't have to hunt for a hotspot? This is great! I travel a couple of times a month and I've been wishing for a service like this at this kind of price...

    48. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      I think that he's probably referring to the government backed takeovers of Fannie May, Freddie Mac, AIG and so on. Because they essentially are being bailed out of the consequences of their bad decisions by taxpayer money. And the execs aren't even getting a slap on the wrist.

      I'm of the opinion that those fucks who destabilized the world economy in the name of unfettered greed of finances they didn't understand should go to jail, not pass go, and not ever get out. Anyone who can't demonstrate that they tried to make things better rather than worse.

    49. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      I think that T-Mobile is going 3G in their 21 major markets in the US at the beginning of October here... at least, that's the last news I heard.

    50. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by hobbit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1) Fat Cat Investment Banks encourage US populace to spend more money than collectively exists, based on perversion of American Dream promising infinite growth. "Trust Private Enterprise", they say, "Keep Government small, taxes are daylight robbery".
      2) Turns out money doesn't grow on infinite trees: economy goes tits up. "Help us", say Fat Cats, "You've got to bail us out, because you've build your house on our cards".
      3) ???
      4) Profit!
      5) "Hey, we warned you about those taxes", says Big Media. "You should vote for the Rebublicrats next time."
      6) Goto 1

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    51. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by chrestomanci · · Score: 1

      Orange are also a fixed line ISP. I think you will find that their £5/month package is for ADSL over PSTN, not cellar broadband. Their HSDPA cellular broadband is more like £25/month last time I checked.

    52. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could be worse. I could be living in the USA where the next 300 years taxes my family will be paying will go straight into the pockets of the fat cat investment banks. ...and Manchester United Football Club ;)

    53. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 1

      I've heard bad things about Orange before, but for pay-as-you-go I'm not sure it would be an issue? (I had an Orange PAYG mobile in the UK, and never had to deal with the scallywags).

      That said, O2 @ GBP10/month is looking fairly sweet. My real criteria is never having to give Vodafone my money ever again.

      Off topic: how are people getting a pound sign on Slashdot? I'm getting sick of ISO3 codes...

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    54. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      If you get a normal Pay&Go sim card, you get charged £1 maximum per day for net access. Thats not bad for HSDPA and you can bluetooth the connection to a laptop.

    55. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      What you're missing is the concept of a French businessman or a German tourist who has a plan back home but goes to visit the UK.

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    56. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      In fact, stupid bloody symbol. Just means "comment in PHP" to me.

      Maybe this will strike a chord, tell me to F off if this falls flat, but you're not very sharp, are you?

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    57. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That has exactly nothing to do with availability and price of contract-free data connection pricing. Coverage isn't the issue, and at $3.70/day, cellular companies here would still make a large profit.

      Not everything is an excuse to bring out a population density argument.

    58. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      I've been traveling Europe and the easiest way to get internet without going through the complicated identification requirements is to get a mobile internet connection.

      That's exactly what this is.

      In Vodafone and Orange have similar services in UK and portugal.

      Yes, but not similar prices at similar speeds. If you don't need voice services, or you don't want to swap SIM cards (like business travelers who need to be reached at their regular number), the availability of these "similar services" is neither similar nor useful.

      In India Reliance/Airtel will let you dial-up

      Not comparable.

    59. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by specific_pacific · · Score: 1

      ^^ Yes

    60. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by moro_666 · · Score: 1

      i have a slightly different opinion here. Our country already has an unlimited for month and unlimited for day plans, and the latter comes up about 50% more expdensive if used every day. I use the latter, because i only need it 6-7 days a month. Just sending an sms does the day activation. And now even this note here got written with a mobile.

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    61. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by sa1lnr · · Score: 1

      "the daily rate will run you 60lbs a month"

      Yes, that is a really heavy charge. ;)

    62. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by commanderfoxtrot · · Score: 1

      No, this is for internet access over a mobile telephone. (e.g. the Nokia N70, as stated).

      Their fixed line broadband (as you say, over PSTN) are free if you have a monthly mobile plan over about 30 pounds or so.

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    63. Re:The daily rate is outrageously expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is that deal? I had a quick look at the O2 website and the only mobile broadband option was a contract deal at £20 a month with no pay-as-you-go option.

  2. Good for occasional use but modem too expensive by IAmAI · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think it's aimed at occasional users. I like the idea that I can pay a couple of quid and use when I'm travelling occasionally. However, what puts me off is the outrageously expensive USB stick you need to get. It claims to be a 'memory stick' as a well as a modem but it is really a microSD card adapter and it does not appear to come with a card. I would not pay more £20 for such a device.

    1. Re:Good for occasional use but modem too expensive by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

      Can you buy a 3G radio card for £20?

    2. Re:Good for occasional use but modem too expensive by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Informative

      For an HSPDA modem that's not bad. The price is dropping fast but £20? I bet the chips in there cost that. It comes free if you get a contract.

      There are laptops with HSPDA built in coming out and if you have one of those you won't even need to pay that.

    3. Re:Good for occasional use but modem too expensive by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

      It's HSDPA, not HSPDA. Anybody know if this card is HSUPA as well? That would make it an even better deal.

    4. Re:Good for occasional use but modem too expensive by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      I had to check wikipedia to see if you are joking. You are not.

  3. The £20/month deal is better by damburger · · Score: 1

    Because any self respecting nerd would use the Internet more than 10 days out of a month

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    1. Re:The £20/month deal is better by GuldKalle · · Score: 1

      But any self respecting nerd also has wired internet at home. This is great if you need mobile internet now and then due to traveling, but would rather use your home line at home because of greater speeds (3G usually lands you 2-4 Mbit/s, at least here in Denmark), or greater flexibility (e.g. getting your net from ethernet instead of USB)

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    2. Re:The £20/month deal is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, any self respecting nerd doesn't leave the basement for 10 days a month.

    3. Re:The £20/month deal is better by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. I have one (on a better deal IMO) and use it only when on holiday.. it plugs into the eeepc just fine.

      Compared to hotel internet/wifi it's dirt cheap.. I don't need it when at home though.

  4. Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by IAmAI · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd want to use the USB model with my Eee PC which has the standard Xandros OS installed. I wonder if it will work?

    1. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No idea. T-Mobile's website doesn't even say which versions of Windows it's compatible with let alone mentioning Macs or Linux

    2. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably. These dongles pretty much all pretend to be serial modems and you just need to do some mucking around with AT commands and run pppd.

      Some of them need some hackery (eg. the one I have needs a kick to switch from storage mode to serial mode) but you won't be the first to try it so there will be a HOWTO somewhere.

    3. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by lilo_booter · · Score: 1

      Don't know about T Mobile, but three.co.uk have a 49 quid modem with PAYG and it works fine on Ubuntu (little bit of googling will reveal all).

      I think the three deal is better anyway...

    4. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Probably. These dongles pretty much all pretend to be serial modems and you just need to do some mucking around with AT commands and run pppd.

      Some of them need some hackery (eg. the one I have needs a kick to switch from storage mode to serial mode) but you won't be the first to try it so there will be a HOWTO somewhere.

      Not necessarily. I've worked on one of these dongles and on Windows it's mostly used as an NDIS device. Now the one I worked on uses the USB CDC Ethernet class and USB CDC Serial Ports - either it could act like a modem using the serial port or it could connect as an Ethernet device. The ethernet mode is preferred because you don't have the overhead of PPP headers, but it would still work as a dialup device using just the serial port. Now on Linux it will work by default in dialup mode, and with a bit of fiddling around with AT commands it will work in ethernet mode too - there's an AT command that makes the Ethernet device connect and support for the CDC Ethernet class is built into modern kernels.

      However that means it needs quite complex Windows drivers, since Windows does not ship with drivers for CDC Ethernet. If I were making a Windows native device I'd uses make it an RNDIS device. That way you could skip the Windows driver, which is something that most companies screw up. But that means that it won't work with Linux. That said, there's a RNDIS driver for Linux now too

      http://www.jooz.net/rndis/

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    5. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Yes, Xandros Linux on the Eee PC has an (Asus branded) application that interfaces with most Huawei dongles. I had it working for a week - works better than on Windows XP with the Huawei-bundled software, believe it or not.

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    6. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by tukang · · Score: 1

      I'd want to use the USB model with my Eee PC which has the standard Xandros OS installed. I wonder if it will work?

      I'm on debian and use wvdial to connect via a 3g usb modem I suspect it would also work for this.

    7. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. My Vodafone mobile connect HSPA USB Stick (E172) just works. I didnâ(TM)t have to configure or do anything. Once I plugged it in, an "Asus Mobile Phone Tool" applet popped up. I clicked connect and after a second or two I was connected. I am based in the UK and own an ASUS eeepc 901 (Linux).

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    8. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by quarterbuck · · Score: 1

      I know for a fact that Huwaei E220 works with the kernel included in Ubuntu Hardy heron (2.6.24?)
      Run Wvdialconf, and then run wvdial (or run a ppp connection manually) - and you are connected. Googling will bring up tons of troubleshooting tips too.

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    9. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No idea. T-Mobile's website doesn't even say which versions of Windows it's compatible with let alone mentioning Macs or Linux

      This is untrue. The T-Mobile UK website seems very clear, complete, and helpful compared to others. There are per-device FAQs.

      The USB stick FAQ (under "Web'n'Walk device if the direct link doesn't work) says it supports "Windows Vista, XP, 2000 & Apple Mac OSX 10.2.6 or higher."

    10. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hehehe you said dongle

    11. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Windows drivers are stored inside the modem in a virtual USB CD ROM drive. You can download drivers for Mac, and apparently Linux supports it out of the box.

    12. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      All the networks, with the possible exception of O2, use the same modem.

    13. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by A+Pressbutton · · Score: 1

      probably. There are extensive threads on getting huwaei modems going - vodafone and 3 use this manufacturer. The ones with a micro sd reader need a bit more fiddling - google usb_modeswitch The K3520 on vodafone works just fine.

    14. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by Tryfen · · Score: 1

      Most Vodafone USB HSDPA sticks work under Linux and are actively supported.

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    15. Re:Will the dongle work with my Eee PC? by ME-tan · · Score: 1

      Yes it works out of the box. My colleague tried it on his before he replaced xandros with a proper distro. T-mobile's monthly rate for the same service is usually pretty good as well, although you need to pay a little extra for their top spec package before they allow VOIP services. I was looking into this as an option but decided it was cheaper to add the services to my phone and use bluetooth dialup instead.

  5. this is for travelers by jipn4 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a good deal for travelers and occasional users; the alternatives are roaming or WiFi hotspots, both of which are much more expensive. If you use it more frequently than a few times a month, you can get much cheaper subscriptions.

    I'd love to have this deal available in the US. Right now, I need a monthly subscription even though most of the time I just use WiFi at work and at home.

    1. Re:this is for travelers by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      This is a good deal for travelers and occasional users; the alternatives are roaming or WiFi hotspots, both of which are much more expensive.

      Really? i suppose it depends where you are, in london i see countless free wifi, and if that fails theres always unsecured or WEP about.

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  6. Orange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Orange provide a similar service for £1/day on their pay as you go service, though they specify it's not to be used with a personal computer (though they have no real way of telling if you use a user agent program). The limit per day is 20MB.

    I've used it with my E61 and PuTTy on many occasion, and because I don't use it every day it's still cheaper than a contract.

  7. yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For short term use, Orange has had £1/day, £5/week for longer than I can remember. All you need is a Bluetooth capable 'phone which acts as a modem, and that's pretty much ubiquitous outside of the USA (unless you buy a crippled iPhone, of course).

  8. What is broadband in this context? by pembo13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What definition of broadband is being used here?

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    1. Re:What is broadband in this context? by thermian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What definition of broadband is being used here?

      I'd take a stab at 'Outrageously priced broadband' myself. It sounds ok for business people who may need access to the tubes at various times whilst on the move. Until this the only way to get mobile broadband via a dongle was to get either a monthly subscription or a pay as you go in which you bought blocks of Gb then had 30 days to use it or lose it. Neither appeals to me.

      I may get this and keep it in my laptop bag to use if I find myself in need of internets access but unable to find any, but never for routine use.

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    2. Re:What is broadband in this context? by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

      Or you could just get a SIM card for your phone, load up the data package and add it to the prepaid SIM, and tether. I imagine you can find an appropriate 3G phone for less than £50, if you don't want to take out your voice service SIM.

    3. Re:What is broadband in this context? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What definition of broadband is being used here?

      If it's anything like Three's UK 3G mobile broadband, I'd say that when it's good it'll be genuinely broadband circa 300kbps upwards (right as I type I'm getting 200-600kbps consistently). It's hard to judge because although the modem gives you speed ratings, it sometimes goes in "spurts" (the fastest speed I've had is just under 1mbps, though I had a one-off "blip" at the claimed max of 3mbps). However, when it's bad (I assume because of the number of people using it) it can be very poor, well sub-dial-up speeds. Yes, we're talking about 20-60kbps.

      When I started using it a few months back, I'd have said it was (in terms of usability) somewhere inbetween wired broadband and dial-up. Unfortunately, in the past month or so it seems to have been far too often giving sub-dial-up transfer rates at certain times (I assume because the service is becoming more popular and each mast is servicing more people) and dodgy reliability (the latter sometimes fixed by reconnecting, sometimes not).

      Don't get me wrong- it *can* be very fast (for a mobile offering), it's just not always like that. This is only a temporary arrangement for me, so I can live with it, but I'd never recommend it as a choice over wired broadband (*). If you're a traveller though, it's more than good enough in most cases; compared to the ludicrously overpriced (silly prices per *megabyte*) and underspecced packages the mobile telcos were offering until a year or so ago, it's amazing.

      (*) Except Virgin's (ex. NTL) cable offering- not because it's slow but because at the time I was having to decide how I'd access the Internet they were trialling the obnoxious Phorm packet spying scheme. I would have been happy to pay for ADSL, but there is no phone line where I'm staying and paying to have that installed on top of the monthly line rental would have made things horribly expensive. The person whose flat I'm staying in was considering Virgin anyway, and was quite happy for me to get it. So you can understand that to forego the convenience of wired broadband for what I knew would probably be a slower and less reliable method of connection says a lot about how I feel about that piece-of-shit company and having *everything* I do online potentially spied upon and tracked by a third party with a questionable reputation, just so that some bunch of pricks can provide me with some targeted ads. Given the amount of weaselling and half-truths in that case, I didn't trust that their opt-out would stop them getting my data completely. C***s.

    4. Re:What is broadband in this context? by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      I find it depends on the signal you get. If you have an HSDPA signal (cyan LED), then it is reasonably good. If you get a UTMS signal (blue LED), then it is just about bearable. If you get a GPRS or GSM signal (green LED) then it is completely useless.

    5. Re:What is broadband in this context? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it depends on the signal you get. If you have an HSDPA signal (cyan LED), then it is reasonably good. If you get a UTMS signal (blue LED), then it is just about bearable. If you get a GPRS or GSM signal (green LED) then it is completely useless.

      It seems to be harder to figure out than that, at least in my experience- I can usually get a light blue HSDPA signal, which sometimes changes to dark blue UTMS for no reason, but even accounting for this the performance seems to vary, in part according to the time of day as far as I can tell.

      I've never had it go green, except when I switch it on, but then I always use it in the house anyway!

  9. Vodafone in Spain by jackd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Using a similar service from Vodafone here in Spain, where I'm staying for a couple of months. 59 Euros per month, unlimited usage, no contract. Just showed my drivers license, and purchased the Vodafone USB HSDPA/3G modem stick and they activated my subscription in the store. Works amazingly well, able to reach download speeds of 1.5 mbit, and coverage almost anywhere.

    What I found particularly interesting, was how much bandwidth you use with just "minimal" use, ie. having it plugged in all day while working for emails, using Web sites and various company Web apps. So far, in 20 days this month, I've used 1.2 GB of data. A lot more than I would have guessed. .. and nope, no movie or music downloads.

    1. Re:Vodafone in Spain by sowth · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So far, in 20 days this month, I've used 1.2 GB of data. A lot more than I would have guessed.

      This is because nearly all websites waste tonnes of bandwidth with "Web 2.0" Ajax / Javascript crap. I am stuck on dialup, and it takes forever to load just about anything these days. Even if it is just a page with a few lines of text. Today's "web programmers" suxxors!

  10. Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here in finland you get usb 3G modem and unlimited traffic @ 384kbps for 9,80euros /month

    1. Re:Expensive by rml1997 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can get a similar deal here for around 10/15 pounds a month from most operators. The difference here is you are paying for a single day's usage.

    2. Re:Expensive by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You can get a similar deal here for around 10/15 pounds a month from most operators. The difference here is you are paying for a single day's usage.

      Where exactly is "here"?

    3. Re:Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and in sweden you get 'up to' 7.2Mbps for 99sek/month (10.35euro or 15$)

      19 times faster.

    4. Re:Expensive by dastrike · · Score: 1

      Speed: The "up to" 7.2 Mbit/s is really "up to" as that speed can only be achieved in bursts. If you are lucky, you'll see 3.6 Mbit/s continuous speed at best.

      Price: I cannot see any mobile operator here in Sweden that offers "7.2" Mbit/s for merely 99 SEK/month, the 99 SEK/month I see are only 384 kbit/s. The 7.2 Mbit/s ones are in the ballpark of 199 SEK/month ($30 USD; €21 EUR).

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    5. Re:Expensive by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Isn't that with a contract? It needs to be compared like-for-like. A cheap service that doesn't fit the need would cost more over time. If you're talking about a contract, then that serves a different use than without contract.

      The price without contract and pay by the day is absolutely ideal for someone that only needs service occasionally. I'd love to pay that amount when my main internet service is down. It doesn't happen as much as one day a month, but when it's down, I need to get internet service going so I can conduct business, print shipping labels and so on. I am almost never traveling or do business outside the home or shop, so £2 without a contract is actually going to be cheaper than 10 with a contract.

    6. Re:Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tele2 have something called "Mobilt bredband 99", then you get "up to" 7.2 Mbit/s for 99sek, but it is limited to 1GB/month.

      There "real deal" cost normaly 189sek, but i pay the old price of 99sek.

    7. Re:Expensive by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      You can get a similar deal here for around 10/15 pounds a month from most operators. The difference here is you are paying for a single day's usage.

      Where exactly is "here"?

      Most likely the UK, since they're one of the few countries to have a currency called the "pound" and I know that you can get mobile broadband access here for £10 (1GB cap), £15 (3GB) or £25 (7GB) a month.

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    8. Re:Expensive by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Are you certain? Perhaps the GPP meant pounds of flesh.

    9. Re:Expensive by master811 · · Score: 1

      "Here" would be the UK, T-mobile do a 1GB tariff for £7.50/mth or 3GB for £12.50. Three do something similar along with O2 I think.

    10. Re:Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's about $14 per month for you ignorant americans or about 50 cents per day. (Finland, Europe)

  11. Vodafone Egypt by johndmartiniii · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We've had something like this in Egypt for a while now, probably in response to the limited availability of broadband internet through DSL at one time. Vodafone Egypt does a 3G service for mobile devices and you can buy both USB and PC card adapters. The problem is similar though, the hardware is prohibitively expensive--equivalent to 500USD--and the service isn't really intended to be used regularly. It costs 1LE per MB tranfser (about 0.20USD) or you can buy a plan which includes up to 5 GB transfer per month for about 500LE (100USD). Kind of on the expensive side in the end. There are several other providers here now doing similar things, but their prices are almost exactly the same across the board.

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  12. "For Just £49.99"? by Kryptikmo · · Score: 1

    This seems like a terribly 'advertisy' to discuss the added cost of an antenna/modem. In fact the whole summary sounds like a press release. Is this just copy and paste, or are we merely allowing marketers to post stories now?

    Incidently, I won't be signing up. Last time I tried to change the credit card which I use to pay for top-ups, I was told that I would have to speak to someone personally. And that this would cost me 25p for a support call. On principle, I refuse to pay t-mobile for calling them to pay them. Instead, I will be switching to another provider, just as soon as my current credit runs out.

    1. Re:"For Just £49.99"? by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest switching to a provider that lets you create virtual card numbers, so if they ever pull this again you can simply cancel the "card".

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  13. PS - Vodafone Egypt by johndmartiniii · · Score: 1

    I forgot to mention that it often happens that when you sign up for this service, you will receive a huge bill for the first month for overage, which you may or may not have actually used. This has been a kind of common gripe from users here.

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    1. Re:PS - Vodafone Egypt by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      Then again with those kinds of plans at least the underuse carries over.. with my DSL provider I've currently got 8.5GB of carry over and it's going up by about 2GB a month - should really think about reducing my plan...

    2. Re:PS - Vodafone Egypt by corychristison · · Score: 1

      Or go on a download binge. :-)
      Movies at Tony Hoyle's tonig--- next week!

    3. Re:PS - Vodafone Egypt by Toll_Free · · Score: 1

      He's using 3G

      He's been downloading since he got the modem.

      Movies will be available my months end. Or, at least, 1 movie.

      We hope.

      You bringing popcorn?

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  14. When I would use it by shawn443 · · Score: 1

    Prove to the client that the Internet is not down. Please lets upgrade the blinking blue box.

  15. "Unlimited" T+Cs by Bazman · · Score: 1

    "If you use more than your fair use policy amount, we won't charge you any more, but we may restrict how you can use your plan, depending on how often you go over your amount and by how much"

    Is anyone on /. going to sign up to something so vague?

    1. Re:"Unlimited" T+Cs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "If you use more than your fair use policy amount, we won't charge you any more, but we may restrict how you can use your plan, depending on how often you go over your amount and by how much"

      Is anyone on /. going to sign up to something so vague?

      While I would definitely nail them for the 'unlimited' lie....

      Absolutely, When your other options are getting suddenly cut off when you hit your limit, or getting charged overage rates fit to turn your hair white, yea id love to see them turn my 10mb line into a 1/2mb line or hell even 1/4.

      Its still more than sufficient for me to surf the net grab email, use IM. Hell you can get your WoW fix on about 50kbps, Yes thats right a 56k modem. (though updates would be a bitch). Seems like the best option to me.

      Keep in mind wording that vague won't hold up in a court, contracted terms must be specific to hold up in a court, thats why you typically need a legal degree to understand most contracts. I'm betting their actual ToS include a much more detailed explanation of exactly how they restrict you than a simple marketing foot note would have.

    2. Re:"Unlimited" T+Cs by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      Well to me it says "don't take the piss", but I wouldn't expect myself to get unlimited anything and then try to find the limit deliberately.

  16. Considering costs in Australia that's not bad by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    3gb a day is more than enough for me, if that was about half the cost and 2/3 the bandwidth it'd seriously be worth considering to replace my standard ADSL internet connection.

  17. It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by splodus · · Score: 5, Informative

    I can put up with all the 'only £1.99 a day!' and 'from just £49.99' style marketing speak. It's jarring, but at least it's not dishonest.

    However I am absolutely sick of hearing 'Unlimited usage! (fair use policy applies equal to 3Gb of data in any 28 day period subject to change)

    I'm happy to pay for a 3Gb per month limit. I'd be delighted with an unlimited usage package. But I am fed up with providers advertising 'unlimited', when it is is clearly, unequivocally, NOT unlimited!

    I'd urge any UK readers that agree to generate a gentle trickle of complaints to the Advertising Standards Agency and the Office of Communications.

    1. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I was just about to post something similar. I can't believe this tactic has been allowed to continue.

    2. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by splodus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Before anyone claims that T mobile say no such thing;

      September Offers

      It says "UNLIMITED* internet access with no run-on rates"

      Further down there's a link "* Subject to fair use"

      Following the link lists 15 different tariffs with their various terms and conditions. There's quite a lot of small print there...

    3. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by djsmiley · · Score: 1

      I'm betting they would define unlimited as it supports all protocols and allows access to all sites, as apposed to accessing the internet via an iPhone, which doesn't (appently - according to various sources, dont have one myself) allow _ALL_ websites to work?

      Oh, and as geeks we read "Unlimited bandwidth" when all it actually says is "Unlimited!". They prey on our presumptions, but then again we shouldn't be so happy to believe.

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    4. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by lattyware · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interestingly, Sky actually don't do this, if you check their pages, it says Unlimeted* - and it actually has *No Fair Usage Policy Applies at the bototm of the page. That said, you have to be within their network to get that deal. (I, for one, am not.) That said, they are about the only ISP that doesn't. It's criminal.

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    5. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It is unlimited, but after 3GB your access is throttled to GPRS speeds. Of course technically nothing is unlimited, the day only has 24 hours and bandwidth isn't infinite either. The point is that you can go online for a day and only pay a fixed price, without overage fees and without being cut off after a certain amount of traffic.

    6. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In reality it depends on what happens when you exceed the 3GB limit. Are you simply throttled down to a slow speed? Disconnected entirely? Or are you charged a per/GB additional fee?

      The devil is in the details, and many of these mobile broadband providers are kinda anticipating you exceed the data allowance, so they can cream off a nice profit by charging extra fees. The more honest outfits simply throttle or block you entirely.

      But for any of this to be fair, you need to be able to see live updates on your total bandwidth used so far, and there should be a method of warning you if you come close to exceeding. Sadly, I don't think this is in place, partly because it would add expense to the mobile phone operator's outlay, but also because they like the ambiguity because of the aforesaid ability to cream off a nice little profit from people who exceed (and many, many will). It's bizarre that in the 21st century companies operate in this shyster fashion.

    7. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      No, they say unlimited. They don't say unlimited sites, or unlimited protocols, they simply state, without any qualification, unlimited. If you mean that only certain things are unlimited, then you need to spell them out. That's just the way the English langauge works. There are limits. Their statement is false. They are liars.

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    8. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by jimicus · · Score: 1

      I'm betting they would define unlimited as it supports all protocols and allows access to all sites, as apposed to accessing the internet via an iPhone, which doesn't (appently - according to various sources, dont have one myself) allow _ALL_ websites to work?

      I don't know about T-Mobile but I do know that I support a bunch of people who travel all over the world and basically, as soon as you leave the comfort of your own broadband connection, all bets regarding what works are off.

      I've seen hotels and mobile telcos blocking ports, using VPN "helpers" which don't help at all, blocking VPN use outright - even if the service they're providing is aimed squarely at businesses - all sorts of silly things. I'm just waiting for the day that the hotel's "internet" connection is "port 80 with an invisible proxy so you can't even run other protocols over the port".

    9. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by CrackedButter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sky spelt 'unlimeted' wrong btw, you should inform them.

    10. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 0, Troll

      Its a service for Britons. unlimeted makes sense.

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    11. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by ribuck · · Score: 1

      The "unlimited" is a lie, that's for sure. But T-Mobile is the only UK operator who won't charge you more if you exceed your cap.

      It's no fun to pay £10 for your first gigabyte, only to find that you've been charged £1000 for the second gigabyte (e.g. with Three mobile broadband).

    12. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by BarneyL · · Score: 1

      Advertising standards won't do a thing.
      T-mobile UK are presently running an advertising campaign stating "no one gives more minutes for £30". It has been pointed out that other providers gives more minutes for less than £30 but the adverts have been allowed to continue.
      If they can get away with that then I'm sure they can continue to get away with their somewhat limited definition of the word unlimited.

    13. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The ASA won't touch it unless you can point to adverts claiming unlimited, not including statements made on their website (which are explicitly beyond the ASA's remit). The correct place to complain is the Office of Fair Trading (as I was told when I complained to the ASA about this issue about a year ago).

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    14. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by Dogtanian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Before anyone claims that T mobile say no such thing; It says "UNLIMITED* internet access with no run-on rates". Further down there's a link "* Subject to fair use"

      So in essence they're claiming that it's unlimited then using the small-print to claim it's unlimited via an indirect and vague reference to a "fair use" policy.

      Small-print should be used to clarify things and make clear the boring details, not to allow companies to outright lie and then weasel out of it without even having the "explanation" on the same page.

      Anticipating a possible response to this post, anyone (including the telcos) who claims that the "unlimited" means "unlimited connection time" or some similar BS is being disingenuous. The companies *know* and are operating on the assumption that people will take "unlimited" to mean "unlimited downloading", if only because clearly that *is* what people have already shown they believe such claims to mean. IANAL, but I assume that this is how the advertisement would be judged legally and/or by the advertising standards bodies.

      (This isn't to say that the offer of 3GB for a regular fee of £15/month is bad value by mobile standards- but the advert *is* intentionally misleading, like it or not).

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    15. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by fermion · · Score: 1
      In the states most the cell cos are a bit more honest about this. They generally put a 5 GB cap for the month, and that costs about 33 pounds, which seems to be more than an equivalent contract service would cost in the UK. It is also possible to get the dongle for free.

      OTOH, for this type of service I am not sure if 3GB is not nearly unlimited. One would have to be downloading nearly 100KB every minutes of every day to reach that limit.

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    16. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see how your joke could be funny, the mods didn't, har har.

    17. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      Ehh, Im a karma troll anyways. I take a hit, I get a string of +5's.

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    18. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      It's amazing that people are so jealous of the true meaning of a word when it hits them in their pocket. When ever I try to defend the original meaning of a word, I get called a grammar nazi.

    19. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by ME-tan · · Score: 1

      They reportedly send letters and eventually drop you to 2g speed when you go over, unlike most of the other providers in the UK which let you rack up thousands of pounds of bills before they cut the service...

    20. Re:It can't be both UNLIMITED and 3Gb! by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      So in essence they're claiming that it's unlimited then using the small-print to claim it's unlimited via an indirect and vague reference to a "fair use" policy.

      Correction: should say "...to claim it's *not* unlimited..."

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  18. Nobody said unlimited... by Manip · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you actually check T-Mobile's site instead of reading the article you'll find no use of the word "unlimited" anywhere on the pages.

    In fact next to each plan it lists "3GB fair use amount - without any run-on rates."

    In fact the only reference I can find to "unlimited" broadband is on ISP Review.

    1. Re:Nobody said unlimited... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      So I doubt it's technically possible to download 3GB in a single day, but for doing so over the air, that seems like an extremely good price to pay.

      though I'd rather pay that per-byte price on any amount I download:-)

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    2. Re:Nobody said unlimited... by splodus · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was looking at this one;

      September Offers

      It says "UNLIMITED* internet access with no run-on rates"

      Further down there's a link "* Subject to fair use"

      Following the link lists 15 different tariffs with their various terms and conditions. It's not immediately obvious which applies to the one you were just looking at.

      Which site were you looking at? Was it the UK one?

    3. Re:Nobody said unlimited... by splodus · · Score: 1

      Ah I think I see - if you go through the special offers route you seem to see the 'Unlimited' word bandied around

      If you go through the various option screens you see 'fair use policy applies'

      When you get to the order page itself it says '3Gb fair use amount - "

      So I guess T mobile deserve credit for at least making it a lot clearer at the order stage than most.

      But I still think 'Unlimited!' needs to be removed from *all* advertising because it's just not true!

    4. Re:Nobody said unlimited... by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      It's 3GB per month, and it is very easy to download that amount. It is about 5 hours of BBC iPlayer.

  19. Way cheaper than New Zealand by Mistakill · · Score: 1

    Very cheap compared to New Zealand http://www.vodafone.co.nz/mobile-data/3g-broadband-plans.jsp Broadband Pro plan will cost you $69.95 NZD (48 USD or 24.21 UK pound) a month on a 24 month contract, with a 3GB cap per month

  20. Re:Vodafone in Spain - details please? by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    Having a house out there, in the middle of nowehere without even a landline, this is just the sort of thing I've been waiting for. Can you tell me the name of the service and what the price of the modem stick is? Thanks

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  21. Price + Shipping = Escape! by centuren · · Score: 1

    For American readers, that's about $3.66 right now -- plus shipping yourself to the UK.

    CLEARLY worth the price, considering the benefits of leaving the US. ;)

    1. Re:Price + Shipping = Escape! by Bazman · · Score: 1

      Hey! Our banks are f**king up as much as your banks! Besides, after the next set of elections you might have Obama and we'll have David Cameron...

       

  22. Re:Vodafone in Spain - details please? by jackd · · Score: 1

    Check out the Vodafone.es site. "Internet Prepago" Got the Modem USB K3520 for I think 70 Euro, and then just purchased the plan "1 month" for 59 Euro. They have plans for 300 MB, 1 GB etc, if you're not a heavy user. I purchased this in a Vodafone store in Spain.

    It does GPRS, 3G and HDSPA, so as long as there's Vodafone GSM coverage, you should be able to get an Internet connection, but the GPRS is dead-slow.

  23. End of wired internets possible? by damburger · · Score: 1

    The UK is lagging behind on wired broadband infrastructure, but its phone infrastructure is pretty decent. At some point could the country go truly wireless?

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  24. 3G - it ain't "broadband" by Richard+W.M.+Jones · · Score: 1

    Funnily enough I was sitting in a busy part of North London yesterday with 4 bars of 3G connection, trying to browse two sites, BBC news and Slashdot. The performance was terrible - extremely slow page loading, total drop-outs and random disconnects from the server. In no way can this be compared to ADSL/broadband.

    Rich.

    1. Re:3G - it ain't "broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funnily enough I was sitting in a busy part of North London yesterday with 4 bars of 3G connection, trying to browse two sites, BBC news and Slashdot. The performance was terrible - extremely slow page loading, total drop-outs and random disconnects from the server. In no way can this be compared to ADSL/broadband.

      Rich.

      Probably because in London, the 3g networks are very congested - especially in the financial centre.
      You would probably gain better data thoroughput by 'falling back' to a 2g data connection simply due to the fewer people using it

    2. Re:3G - it ain't "broadband" by quenda · · Score: 1

      Its supposed to be 1-2Mbps, which is HSDPA. I read /. frequently over this, and it works fine. Either you were using a non-HSDPA phone/modem, or the network was congested.

    3. Re:3G - it ain't "broadband" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Depends a lot on how many people are using it. On the train along the south coast of Wales and while visiting my mother in the middle of nowhere, North Devon, I get 50KB/s downloads and around 200ms ping times with T-Mobile on UMTS.

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    4. Re:3G - it ain't "broadband" by caluml · · Score: 1

      The 4 bars is just signal strength, not capacity. You share the cell-tower bandwidth with all the other data users that are "attached" to it. I seem to remember that a 3G cell is 384k, although they can bung a few on each tower. Don't forget the pipes from the tower back to the Telco's HQ/Internet connections either.

  25. Re:Vodafone in Spain - details please? by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    muchas gracias!

    I've been using my Nokia phone with a data "bono" - 1GB for 60 euro. As said, it's surprising how quickly it goes. Just loading the BBC homepage is 250kb.

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  26. Re:Vodafone in Spain - details please? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    I've been using my Nokia phone with a data "bono"

    A "Bono"? Does this mean that U2 are getting into the telecommunications business?

    Actually, I shouldn't be surprised- The EDGE has already done a great job in prolonging the life of GSM networks ;)

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  27. Rates are far better in Austria. by walter_f · · Score: 1

    Orange Austria (until recently known as One Austria) has a far better rate to offer:

    1 Euro per day
    (1 Euro pro Tag)
    No fixed mothly fee, no activation fee.

    http://www.orange.at/Content.Node/mobiles_internet/mobiles_internet_pro_surftag/index1.php

  28. A dollar a gigabyte by Toll_Free · · Score: 1

    Anyone else read this as a dollar a gigabyte monthly?

    Unlimited (but a 3 gig a day cap applies)

    When did unlimited become a daily limit?

    --Toll_Free

  29. Orange have been doing that for ages for £1 by Flipao · · Score: 1

    Or £5 for the whole week. They used to restrict it to GPRS, but it's worked with 3G/HSDPA phones for a while.

  30. Just wanna chip in a bit.... by gaza3g · · Score: 1

    Here in Singapore, we pay about SGD$24.90(US$18) every month for 3G service, which includes 2Mbps downstream and a 50GB monthly cap. I suppose its rather reasonable as its really convenient to listen to the internet radio stations on my iPhone as well as checking my email while I'm in the train.

  31. almost but not quite by Joker1980 · · Score: 1

    I have broadband at home and an unlimted (yeah right) data plan on my phone, but it doesent allow tethering which is annoying. Id like service that i could use on my laptop but as i only use it once in a blue moon its not worth a subscription. This would seem like a nice solution but i would prefer it done by the GIG, say a fiver for 5 gig with no time limit, once that limits been used you just top it up.

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  32. I just wanted to say... by joocemann · · Score: 1

    This sounds like a very cool service.

  33. I use Three by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
    This story is just an advertisement. The Three service is perfectly adequate. So I imagine is the Vodafone service. I get 3G or at a minimum Edge in most of the places I want to use a computer, and I suggest you just check the coverage maps before choosing a supplier.

    People who like these things might consider using it with a Toshiba G450 phone. This phone weighs only 2 ounces, has no camera, no LCD (OLED display) but is quad band and allows you to make phone calls while connected to the Internet.

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  34. Work around the system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use Three UK, pay £5 for 30 days with a 2GB limit. If you go into a Three mobile shop in the Uk and ask for a broadband package for your laptop they will try to sell you the £10 per Month 1GB limit version. However if you get a mobile phone with Bluetooth support (for example the E65 or E61i) you can pay £5 for mobile data and get a months Internet access, the limit is 2GB (or perhaps 3GB). The other cool things is that it is on Pay-As-you-Go. You can then use the Phone as a internet access point for you laptop using the cable or BlueTooth and have full access to the internet (as long as you have a signal) for £5 a month with a download limit of better than most home Broadband suppliers.

  35. Pay-as-you-go pre-dispositionitis by RudeIota · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure which part of the world you live in where you are ok with throwing away $100 USD per month for internet on your phone

    Firstly, this includes a USB modem which obviously is geared toward computers... not just phones. So, I'd like everyone to think less narrowly and imagine the applications of PAYG-Internet outside of mobile phones. Secondly, why is everyone complaining that one day of access at ~$3.60 is ~$100/mo? They aren't charging you $100/mo... They are charging you $3.66 USD PER DAY. If you choose to use it 30 times a month and get billed $100, then congratulations - you got what you paid for. If you plan on using this daily, you really need to get yourself A REAL DATA PLAN, which costs $50 in the U.S.

    In Asia I pay a little over $30 USD per month for unlimited data on my phone

    Also, you pay $30 USD for your data plan, but the exchange rate in China is almost 7 to 1, Korea is about 3:1, Hong Kong dollars and Thai Baht are about 8:1 etc... The most reasonable exchange rate I'm aware of is in Singapore dollar, which is worth about 0.7 USD. Unless you're living in Singapore, $30 USD sounds like a bad deal for anyone living in Asia. If you DO live in Singapore, then the price sounds just about right.

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    1. Re:Pay-as-you-go pre-dispositionitis by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

      Also, you pay $30 USD for your data plan, but the exchange rate in China is almost 7 to 1, Korea is about 3:1, Hong Kong dollars and Thai Baht are about 8:1 etc... The most reasonable exchange rate I'm aware of is in Singapore dollar, which is worth about 0.7 USD. Unless you're living in Singapore, $30 USD sounds like a bad deal for anyone living in Asia. If you DO live in Singapore, then the price sounds just about right.

      Hm? The baht is suddenly worth 4 times as much as it was earlier today? I guess that's no big deal; the won has apparently appreciated by a factor of almost 400. What exactly are you talking about? It's clear you don't know what the actual exchange rates happen to be; do you know how exchange rates and purchasing power parity even work?

      $30/month is a good deal for unlimited mobile data almost anywhere in Asia.

      Just because food is very cheap in some areas over here doesn't mean that things with significant highly arbitragable constituent costs (like phone service) are necessarily going to be.

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    2. Re:Pay-as-you-go pre-dispositionitis by Dannkape · · Score: 1

      The most reasonable exchange rate I'm aware of is in Singapore dollar, which is worth about 0.7 USD.

      Exchange rates are just numbers. What matters is how (un)stable they are over time. And in this case, how many currency-units per time-unit people make. In Scandinavia you need 5-7 units of currency to get a single USD, but even burger flippers make the equivalent of 15 USD an hour...

  36. Telcel Broadband access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uuuuu... even mexicoÂs Telcel company offers that.
    5$ for a day or 80$ for a month of unlimited BB access.

  37. Yo mama by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    the daily rate will run you 60lbs a month.

    That's around 27 kg. Seriously, if you write "lbs" for pounds sterling, then you're a fucking idiot.

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  38. Pre-paid mobile in Austria by PGillingwater · · Score: 1

    I write about the pre-paid mobile Internet here on my blog.

    Basically, it's 1 Gb for 20 Euros, without a contract. And it works with the eeePC without problems.

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  39. Sounds like a decent deal by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a decent deal. AT&T wants $60/mo for 5GB of HSDPA, which is cheaper than the £2/day T-Mobile plan but more than the £20/mo T-Mobile plan.

    The big advantage with the £2/day plan is for casual users. Airport Wi-Fi usually costs more than that ($10) in the US, although some airports (Denver, Las Vegas) have free Wi-Fi.

  40. Any in France? by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

    Orange Austria (until recently known as One Austria) has a far better rate to offer: 1 Euro per day

    Anyone know of similar offers in France? I am going to be there (as well as Italy and Switzerland) shortly and need some way to get online for a reasonable price. In Switzerland I found Sunrise which has a CHF3/hour deal, not exactly bargain-basement but within my price range.

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  41. Yes at similar prices and speeds: by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Vodafone £15 a month (3GB download limit) Orange £15 a month (3GB download limit)

  42. Nope. by mr_matticus · · Score: 1

    Try again. Those are contract plans. Orange requires an 18-month commitment, and Vodafone 24 months.

    This is zero-commitment.

  43. web n walk by broadbandmonkey · · Score: 1

    I've used the T-Mobile web n walk offering, thats 4 quid a month, does anyone know the difference between that and this deal? cheers!