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Quarter of Workers' Time Online Is Personal

sloit writes "Most people spend more than 25 per cent of their time online at work on personal activities. And 80 per cent of emails sent by volume in the workplace are personal. Bosses often have no way of tracking Internet activity or policies to define what staff can and cannot do. Paul Hortop, who reviews company network security for consultancy Voco, said the most common websites visited by personal web surfers were online trading sites, instant messaging/chat services and peer-to-peer sharing sites (allowing movie, music and software sharing)."

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  1. gbtw... by jonaskoelker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the most common websites visited by personal web surfers were online trading sites, instant messaging/chat services and peer-to-peer sharing sites

    Cue the collective "You left out slashdot!"

    And GBTW!

    1. Re:gbtw... by electrictroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>>25 per cent of their time online at work on personal activities.

      Shocking.

      And before computers existed, they spent 25 percent of their time standing-around the water cooler, or sitting at their desks daydreaming.

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    2. Re:gbtw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, lazy people still waste time standing round the water-cooler and daydreaming; the internet is an additional factor.

      This is exactly why we have to bail out the lazy bankers who couldnt be bothered to risk check their own assets, and the lazier mortgage holders who want to waste time reading about britney rather than working so their families arent kicked out. There is a culture of entitlement in this country which is deeply damaging.

      This wont be popular at slashdot, but I genuinely think workplaces should have a whitelist approach to the internet - and especially block youtube, funnyordie, nbc, facebook etc. If you want to goof off and watch Tina Fey do it at home. Unfettered web access leads to ridiculous losses of productivity.

    3. Re:gbtw... by mweather · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why we have to bail out the lazy bankers who couldnt be bothered to risk check their own assets,

      "the most common websites visited by personal web surfers were online trading sites"

    4. Re:gbtw... by AnomaliesAndrew · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points to give you.

      It's pretty obvious from anybody that's worked in a corporate setting that people will screw off to fill in the time they have.

      Unless you eliminate positions, making work simpler and making systems faster usually don't yield more productivity.

      That's what we see anyways, YMMV.

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    5. Re:gbtw... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The best milk comes from the happiest cows.

      If you want to squeeze every last penny of time out of your workers, then you had better be prepared for the drop in productivity and quality that follows. This isn't to say that you should be providing lazer tag sets and two hour lunches to use them in. But it does mean that if you create a work environment with the rules of a gulag, then can expect good workers to leave, middling workers to become poor, and poor workers to either bomb, revolt or take advantage of the situation. In effect you will be spelling the end of your business.

      Just like cows, it doesn't take a lot to keep workers happy either. Friendly environment, free food, good furniture, understanding they have outside lives. These things cost you little, but deliver far more. If people like where they work and who they work with, they won't want to leave. Balance in all things of course, but at the end of the day, allowing geeks to browse Slashdot, or people to call back home will cost you far less than insisting you get back every nanosecond of the time you pay for. After all, what is it that you do at work all day?

      If you want the best milk, you need the best cows, but also the best fields.

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    6. Re:gbtw... by philspear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfettered web access leads to ridiculous losses of productivity.

      That's a hypothesis. Is there proof one way or the other? If my job boss tried to increase productivity by a few percentage points by micromanaging, blocking all non-strictly work related websites, and tried to put blinders on me, I personally would spend more time trying to get around them and THEN goofing off than I would if they just left it up to my best judgement. Plus I'd think less of my job and would be less motivated.

      That's just me though, I suppose other people might welcome the fetters, and possibly on average your approach would increase productivity. So lets see a study.

    7. Re:gbtw... by smoker2 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      And from a recent discussion about the differences between US and European work practices, it was generally agreed that the Europeans get the same amount of work done in 8 hours, that it takes the US 10 hours to do. Yet the US employees slack off while they're at work and then bitch about working long hours.
      Not to mention the cost of paying for all the infrastructure while the employees are slacking off. Not just the net, but AC, maintenance, sewerage, lighting etc. Business exists to make money, not provide a social club with optional work.
      You get lunch breaks, use them to buy your gifts online or browse slashdot. Don't expect the employer to pick up the tab.
      Just another sign of the entitlement society.

    8. Re:gbtw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as I am aware it is also far more accepted that people will do personal things during working hours, even in their laws where "a boss" can't just freely snoop around someone's email/phone calls.

    9. Re:gbtw... by ottothecow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      of course, if you are one of the workers who *can* get it done in less time, in many situations you are probably still expected to be there.

      If everyone in your company is working the 10 hour day, even if you *can* do it in 8, you may not be able to leave so it seems reasonable that people would insert more interspersed downtime into their work to stretch the work out to fill the day...

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    10. Re:gbtw... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Friendly environment, free food, good furniture, understanding they have outside lives.

      In fact, forget the park!^wfree food and furniture. I think most people would settle for friendly environment and understanding of outside lives. In fact, forget the friendly environment; the most important reasons to be at most work places revolve around things outside of work (unless you're part of emergency personnel).

    11. Re:gbtw... by quantumplacet · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Clearly a general agreement you came to in a discussion with an unknown number of unnamed counterparts is just as good as a scientific study. If you want to make generalizations based on anecdotal evidence, I'm an American worker who's spent the last 3 weeks in London and France, and the amount of work these two offices get done in a given day is pathetic compared to what we do in the states.

    12. Re:gbtw... by Count+Fenring · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeeeeeeah.... I call shenanigans, sir!

      Humans just aren't built for eight hours of straight focus. It's just not effective. And the kind of companies that try to shoehorn you into "Maximum productivity" tend to just stifle you into mindless drudgery.

      This is why Google's "Work 25% of your time on a project you choose" is so genius. It sets up an outlet for this that's also productive.

      Either way, we need to get rid of the idea that employment means OHMYGODMYEMPLOYEROWNSMEIMUSTMACHSCHNELLALLTHETIME!!! I've been at more places that fight with me over federally mandated break and lunch times (an especially sticky issue for a hypoglycemic) than not.

      Also: Your example is diarrheal crap. The bankers weren't lazy, they were criminally fraudulent. Their motivations: not lack of a desire to do work, but ACTIVE DESIRE TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS PAST A REASONABLE AND SENSIBLE POINT. It's not that they didn't want to risk check, it's that they deliberately shuffled the risk around paper accounts so they could present the portfolios as better than they were. And given that many of those mortgages were sold under basically fraudulent terms, given hard sells to people who couldn't afford them, and jacked up to ruinous interest rates without warning, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that that's not primarily an entitlement problem either.

    13. Re:gbtw... by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

      Mod both parent and parent of parent "Thin, small lights of reason in a storm of insanity."

      Up, for those who didn't get it.

    14. Re:gbtw... by hodet · · Score: 1

      May I suggest you don't start off your staff meetings comparing your staff to cows? ;-)

    15. Re:gbtw... by Count+Fenring · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it would be interesting to see a system in which you were given specific responsibilities, instead of a schedule, and left to yourself when and how much time to finish them. You'd have an overall deadline, but more flexibility to set up your working times.

      Of course, I'm talking about a humanely designed workload, not the current abuse of salaried employment to get loads of free overtime. I guess I've answered my own question here about where that would go in our current environment.

    16. Re:gbtw... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes, we should be living in Stalinist Russia instead. that'll show those lazy bums sending personal e-mails at work!

      if everyone worked as secretaries, burger flippers, or other entry-level positions/menial jobs, then i would agree with you. but some of us do more challenging and intellectually demanding work. as a web developer and graphic designer, i couldn't imagine doing work on a computer that has an internet whitelist.

      even if there was a whitelist that contained all work-related sites that i could potentially need to access (stock image libraries, font stores, language reference sites, web software vendors, etc.), it would still decrease my performance and productivity if i didn't have unfettered access to the web.

      as a graphic designer, i spend a lot of time perusing design blogs or random websites looking for inspiration. and even though i've been doing web development for quite some time, i still benefit from reading online guides/tutorials or other articles on the applications and programming languages i use. yes, in theory i could do this only at home, and then just spend 100% of my time at work writing code and working in photoshop/illustrator/quark/etc., but that's just not how it works.

      i find that i'm actually most productive and produce the best work at home (usually late at night) when i'm able to set my own pace and can establish a good rhythm for working. it's also less stressful and much more enjoyable--which is partly why i produce my best work this way.

      granted, i don't use instant messenger when i work (whether at home or at the office) or play games online, etc. but occasionally having a diversion like reading a /. article does make work more relaxing and helps to keep my mind fluid and alert.

      also, sometimes it's hard to draw the line between work and personal research. i may be taking some time off the current project that i'm working on to do a little "personal" research into database software, and that may lead me to choose a better database to build the next web application for work around. similarly, i might read an article/guide on a particular web toolkit that might end up helping me with my current project.

      personally, i enjoy my work, and when i don't i don't do quite as well. i imagine if all companies took your attitude it would just result in more employees feeling miserable and getting less fulfillment from their jobs, resulting in less productivity. Google probably wouldn't be as successful as they are today if they took your approach, and a lot of great products/services would probably not exist.

    17. Re:gbtw... by tompaulco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And from a recent discussion about the differences between US and European work practices, it was generally agreed that the Europeans get the same amount of work done in 8 hours, that it takes the US 10 hours to do.
      They'd pretty much have to in order to get the same amount of work in while having 4-6 weeks of paid vacation and more holidays than U.S. people and not working 3/4 of the hours that the typical U.S. IT person has to work.
      Just try getting in touch with anybody in the European office in August. They are ALL on vacation.

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    18. Re:gbtw... by nschubach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know how long I spent circumventing the security on my work's Active Directory Windows PC just so I could actually do my job as a developer instead of being locked out of the registry, display settings, Add/Remove and everything I need to change to test with. On top of that, designing and implementing an application to make sure those settings are not blanket wiped by the occasional security sweep.

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    19. Re:gbtw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One great book I've read http://www.amazon.com/Control-Your-Time-Life-Signet/dp/0451167724

      Was from some anal-rentive time control freak.

      What was initially counterintuitive in his book was that he said that he encouraged his employees to goof off. To bring a book, or whatever they wanted to work, and so long as they got all the stuff they had to do done, then they could goof oof.

      Well, he actually got _more_ out of them this way. There is an axiom or some sort that says that a project will go to the deadline or beyond, regardless of how long it takes. He took away the deadline, and said, play whenever you are done. When he saw them playing, he would then say, "Hey, why don't you work on this other thing....".

      Pretty slick in my eye.

    20. Re:gbtw... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      The best milk comes from the happiest cows.

      I am nots a cow! I am a hooman being!!!!

    21. Re:gbtw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A point I've made to my boss: if you try to box people in too tightly, people may start spending extravagant amounts of time trying to get out of the box.

      Dammit. I'm at work. I guess this counts as part of my 25%

      Or does /. count as work if I'm network admin?

    22. Re:gbtw... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Hey..as long as you are getting your work done on time, who cares?

      I mean, most of you out there are on salary, right? That is supposed to pay you to get your work done , no matter if it takes longer, or less than 40 hours a week, right?

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    23. Re:gbtw... by gadget+junkie · · Score: 1

      No, lazy people still waste time standing round the water-cooler and daydreaming; the internet is an additional factor.

      This is exactly why we have to bail out the lazy bankers who couldnt be bothered to risk check their own assets, and the lazier mortgage holders who want to waste time reading about britney rather than working so their families arent kicked out. [....]

      This might be just my personal pet peeve, but I have been a money manager this past twenty years.
      the risk managers have been busy as bees, all the time, always inventing some new algorithms. Really they worked their collective asses off.

      the Lehman demise has only confirmed my long held view of Organizations: the most damage comes not from people who do not do enough, but from the employees that do too much.... in the wrong direction.

      A smart employee who works only 75% of the working time, has an hidden cost of 25% of pay in relation to an employee of the same productivity who does not skulk: value addition remains positive, damamge is quantifiable. On the other hand, the biggest bloopers I've seen were done by the usual eaga beva types, those who work overtime on weekends. Management types, especially PHBs, tend to trust effort over ability, so oversight gets down the drain fast. Ten years from now, when we shall know more about the Lehman demise,I am afraid I'll be demonstrably right.... If ever a flag will be planted on the debris of Lehman, its caption should be "redoubled effort".

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    24. Re:gbtw... by e2d2 · · Score: 1

      If I get my work done in the time I told you I would then get off my ass about internet use!

      A lot of us here are working more and more hours at work. I'm averaging 50-60 per week. So if I take a few minutes to rant on slashdot or watch the latest viral meme video then so what? Take it away and I will simply go somewhere that they either A. give me reasonable hours without free for all internet or B. give me my fuck off time

      I'm not entitled to shit, but I can always go down the road and find a better place to work pal. That street goes both ways and I'm not some goddam McDonald's fry guy. Some of us take years to perfect our craft, including studying and perfecting said craft in our "off" time which we aren't paid for and we sure as hell don't eat shit sandwiches just because you think it's the only food in town..

      Life is more than productivity and efficiency. It takes effort to maintain a healthy mind, which is the key to computing and my field, software.

    25. Re:gbtw... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why we have to bail out the lazy bankers who couldnt be bothered to risk check their own assets, and the lazier mortgage holders who want to waste time reading about britney rather than working so their families arent kicked out.

      Have you considered suicide? Your viewpoint on the world is so outrageously negative, that I see no room for love, happiness or hope. I wonder if you need a doctor.

      Isn't it more likely bankers did their risk assessment, but did it incorrectly, or believed the assessment was incorrect? Isn't it more likely that those who held the mortgages thought they could flip the house, or make the payments? I think it's far more likely that these individuals made decisions with risks they thought they could handle, but with very little in the way of a safety net. They gambled and lost. Dumb perhaps, but not corrupt.

      This wont be popular at slashdot, but I genuinely think workplaces should have a whitelist approach to the internet - and especially block youtube, funnyordie, nbc, facebook etc. If you want to goof off and watch Tina Fey do it at home. Unfettered web access leads to ridiculous losses of productivity.

      No, it keeps us in our cubes where we can be found, rather than sneaking around or in the janitor closet bonking the secretary, or drinking in the bathroom, etc. As you said initially, people who want to screw off, will.

    26. Re:gbtw... by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      An old professor of mine once said in a History of Technology course that, to paraphrase, "New technology is always used in the way old technology was." Always stuck with me, but I feel it's relevant.

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    27. Re:gbtw... by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah, but it does mean it's tough to caught ;)

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    28. Re:gbtw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the car analogy.

    29. Re:gbtw... by Korin43 · · Score: 1

      Problem with that is that employers tend to abuse with "Oh you should be able to make 10 widgets in an 8 hour day", but it turns out very few people can make 10 widgets in a day, and the people who can are making the same amount of money, and the people who can't are making less (seems like a situation that would piss everyone off except the corporate overloads).

    30. Re:gbtw... by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

      You see, there's where something like incentives should be brought in. Not the current bullshit system where so-called "incentives" are actually necessary wins to maintain house and home, but a system where they pay you a living wage for meeting your responsibilities, but over-producers can accomplish extra work for something like bounties.

    31. Re:gbtw... by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just try getting in touch with anybody in the European office in August. They are ALL on vacation.

      Dude, it gets even worse! Just try getting in touch with anybody in the Martian office at any time of the day! NOBODY there. It DOESN'T exist!

    32. Re:gbtw... by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Mu!

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    33. Re:gbtw... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Management in this field (MIS/IS/IT)? The WORST OFFENDERS OF ALL, & anyone working in this field can attest to that much!

      I mean - what they do (babysitting mostly, &/or developing "performance metrics"? Give us a break, & especially on the latter - how the hell is some no experience b.s. artist going to know enough to develop a performance metric of guys that actually can & DO, do the job, when he himself hasn't!).

      So, by way of comparison to the actual production workers in this field, what "management" does, is negligible by way of comparison... no questions asked.

      Funniest part of all is, they get 1.5x-2x the pay of those actually doing the work no less.

      This nation is just plain screwed up - our leaders @ every level evidence all of this, or is their "fine performance" not showing on the economic front of all fields lately?

      It makes sense things are blowing up around us... Especially when those self-same mgt. MBA fratboys don't even have years to decades of hands-on experience in the trenches (alongside doing next to nothing, & I know this for sure by way of comparison to actual production coders &/or network techs + engineers & admins) in this field of computers, & yet, they make that kind of cash (& don't merit it, whatsoever).

    34. Re:gbtw... by electrictroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ya know, I'd be thrilled to work just 30 hours a week (i.e. four days) if the boss would let me. It doesn't even matter to me that I'd have a smaller weekly paycheck.

      But too many of the managers are tied-into the "must work 40" groupthink.

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    35. Re:gbtw... by Shajenko42 · · Score: 1

      Well, he actually got _more_ out of them this way. There is an axiom or some sort that says that a project will go to the deadline or beyond, regardless of how long it takes. He took away the deadline, and said, play whenever you are done. When he saw them playing, he would then say, "Hey, why don't you work on this other thing....".

      It's shortly after this when employees learn to pretend to be working for a while after they actually finish.

    36. Re:gbtw... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      I disagree, bad work environments strive because they keep hiring people who dont know the culture. These people end up staying 1 or 2 years. They do good work because they want a good mark on their resume. They eventually take off for greener pastures. They spend their workdays hating their jobs and being stressed. This is extremely common in the non-profit sector where money is tight and perks are lacking.

      I think its tempting to believe that bad employers and bad managers get their comeuppance, but they don't. In real life they just get to torture a new bunch every couple of years.

    37. Re:gbtw... by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Cue the collective "You left out slashdot!"

      Slashdot is clearly a professional site and time spent there is fundamental to keeping current with modern technology. In no way can time spent there be considered personal as opposed to work.

      Now if only the main page looked like a spreadsheet...

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    38. Re:gbtw... by RabidMoose · · Score: 1
    39. Re:gbtw... by slashgrim · · Score: 1

      Cue the collective "You left out slashdot!"

      Sadly that comment's relevance is waning: http://www.google.com/trends?q=slashdot.org&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

    40. Re:gbtw... by fabs64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. "Percentage of time spent working" is and always has been a useless statistic except for the most menial of tasks. The only metric that matters is "work done".

    41. Re:gbtw... by gfody · · Score: 1

      I think I spend at least 25% of my personal online time doing work-related activities so it all evens out.

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    42. Re:gbtw... by jamesh · · Score: 1

      And before computers existed, they spent 25 percent of their time standing-around the water cooler, or sitting at their desks daydreaming.

      So now they spend 25% of their time standing around the water coolor, or sitting at their desks daydreaming, and another 25% of their time on the internet. I don't think the two are mutually excl

    43. Re:gbtw... by jamesh · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't think the two are mutually excl

      usive. The boss was coming and I panicked and hit Submit :)

    44. Re:gbtw... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      A smart employee who works only 75% of the working time

      I'm curious what exactly the article is actually saying, anyway. Obviously "percentage of their time at work on personal activities" would be the useful statistic, but the article says "25 per cent of their time online at work on personal activities."

      Well, that makes no sense, in that people might be working when they're not online (I guess it also depends what we mean by "online" - if you use a Internet-connected computer, technically you're always online, but I don't think of myself "online" when I'm busy working. Not to mention people whose work doesn't always involve using a computer.)

      I mean, it's trivially true that a large amount of one's time online would be spent on personal activities, because most people don't need the Internet much of the time when they are working.

      It would be like saying "25% of time spent on phone calls is for personal use" - this clearly doesn't mean they spend 25% of their work time in total on personal use! (And it doesn't imply they spend any of their work time on personal things, as they might use the phone out of hours, in their lunch break or whatever.)

    45. Re:gbtw... by mokumegane · · Score: 1

      The last time I worked, we didn't go on the internet much but our best computer was a P1, with all the rest being either 286 or 486. One person did go on the network and found games on another computer in another area of the fab and played those a lot, though. Our shift was the most productive of our area, though, so they left us alone. We had long breaks and goofed off but we got the work done- a lot more than the rest of the shifts- and did it safely. Out of all the other shifts, one other shift put out about half the volume that we did. One shift didn't care because their day shift harassed them and told the management lies about them and the other shift was too busy telling lies about everyone to be very productive..

  2. only a quarter? by paulatz · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's about 100% for me, e.g. I'm at work now

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    1. Re:only a quarter? by tompaulco · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd call 25% below the radar. They obviously don't take into account multitasking because I spend most of my day doing at least two things. I have gmail and slashdot up almost 100% of my day, but that doesn't mean I spend 25% of my day doing them. I'm usually browsing slashdot while waiting for my query to run, or while sitting on a conference call. With overtime and multitasking, I'd say there are well over 300% in my day as it is, so 25% is less than the average smoker spends outside every day.
      As far as 80% of e-mails being personal, my experience in the work environment is that this is probably off by at least an order of magnitude. On my work e-mail, I easily get 200 work related e-mails for every personal one, and even that is only if I consider non-work related snide comments in response to work related emails to be personal. Some of the guys at work like to send each other youtube links and forward each other urban legends, but there is no way it is 80% of their emails. Now if you consider that 90% of work related emails are unnecessary then yes I'd guess that you get about 4 personal e-mails for every useful work related e-mail.

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    2. Re:only a quarter? by buck-yar · · Score: 1

      3/4 of my time spent at work is personal. I research my project honda 250r, trade stocks, buy on craigslist.

      I like my job. Then again I have a degree and I'm making about half of what my peers make.

    3. Re:only a quarter? by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I have gmail and slashdot up almost 100% of my day"

      You took an excessive 20 minutes to comment after this story was posted. You are slacking off.

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    4. Re:only a quarter? by Slacksoft · · Score: 1

      That statistic is just ridiculous and I feel that it's . . . hold on my boss is coming

    5. Re:only a quarter? by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 1

      He was on a conference call while also trading some stocks and reading /. Cut him some slack. ;)

    6. Re:only a quarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did you mean "You took in excess of 20 minutes", as in, more than 20 min? Or "an excessive 20 minutes", as in exactly 20 minutes, but that is way too long?

    7. Re:only a quarter? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Funny

      SELL! SELL!

      Sorry, wrong window.

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    8. Re:only a quarter? by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      ...so 25% is less than the average smoker spends outside every day.

      I find all these comments about how smokers spend ungodly amounts of time at work smoking to be just a bit annoying. Your example was apparently 2 hours per workday spent smoking which is silly.

      A while ago I actually tried to time how much "break time" smoking and non-smoking co-workers of mine took, the smokers actually took less break time since most of them seemed to take two 7-8 minute break before lunch and two 7-8 minute breaks after lunch, fetching coffee on their way back in.

      The non-smokers OTOH would generally take one break before lunch where they'd chat a couple of minutes, get coffee, maybe some snacks from the machine and then head to the break room where they'd sit and chat for at least 15 minutes, return to the office, chat for a couple of minutes and then get back to work. All in all generally around 18-22 minutes.

      I think part of why people see smokers as "lazy" is because 1) A handful of smokers will combine the "smoker ritual" with the "non-smoker ritual" and 2) Smokers tend to take shorter breaks more frequently so they are seen going in and out of the office more times per day.

      /Mikael

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    9. Re:only a quarter? by Haoie · · Score: 1

      I still say it depends on the industry.

      And of course, what exactly your job actually entails.

      Obvious, maybe, but somewhere around the 15-30% mark is about right as an average.

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    10. Re:only a quarter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I meant exactly what I said, and his comment was posted exactly twenty minutes after the story.

  3. No posts? by Tribbin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone reading this article started doing their job?

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    1. Re:No posts? by pitchpipe · · Score: 1

      Nice way to sneak in a "Frosty Piss" and have it moderated up. :^)

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    2. Re:No posts? by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      Yes, um, I classify slashdot as continual education for my vocation. Sometimes even R&D :)

    3. Re:No posts? by thepotoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you mod this up, your slashdot background will turn into a beautiful sunset!

      OK, I modded you up, but my background didn't change, so I'm posting this to undo the mod.

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  4. Unlikely To Change by jcnnghm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People have always found ways to waste time at work, and that's not going to change any time soon. Trying to make it stop will only breed resentment, lower employee morale, and reduce productivity. I frequently take short work breaks to work on personal stuff, especially when I am trying to think through a problem.

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    1. Re:Unlikely To Change by fbjon · · Score: 4, Funny
      25% of Workers' Time Online Is Personal, Beancounters Horrified

      "It's the principle of the matter!", commented one beancounter, completely forgetting he has the wrong principles to start with.

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    2. Re:Unlikely To Change by jeevesbond · · Score: 4, Informative

      Acquantance of mine owns a light manufacturing business. When he first wrote-up his business plan he went to see his bank manager (yeah, no shit Sherlock). This bloke looked at his figures, in particular at the throughput estimates. This is roughly how the conversation went:

      Bank manager: why have you based your throughput on 7.5 hours of work per employee?

      Entrepreneur: because they work 8-5, with one hour for lunch and two 15 minute breaks.

      Bank manager: well you can cut that in half for a start.

      Entrepreneur: Why?

      Bank manager: employees only work productively for 50% of the time.

      (my apologies if any of my manufacturing parlance is off)

      The bank manager was spot-on with his prediction too. It doesn't matter if it's on Slashdot or pissing around on the shop floor, employees will always waste time.

      I'd bet money the kind of micro-managers that like to complain about this are sneaking onto Yahoo! Finance, to look at their personal stocks, when they think no-one is looking though.

      Also, there's a fault with the article:

      Quarter of Workers' Time Online Is Personal

      What if a worker only goes online during their allocated break time? Surely we need an accurate percentage of worker's total time at work is spent on personal Internet surfing. That wouldn't draw enough sensationalist headlines though! :)

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    3. Re:Unlikely To Change by jcnnghm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      To take this a bit further, I was working with a financial services company, and for years the staff was allowed to listen to internet radio at their desks, which virtually everyone did. Recently, their partner company was taken over my a much larger organization, that filtered out the internet radio as well as many other "time wasters" with their web filtering.

      Not only did this filtering interfere with getting actual work done (e.g. couldn't access some websites that could provide valuable information), they found that at the end of the quarter productivity had dropped a full 15%. The internet radio helped prevent the mental fatigue associated with performing mentally taxing tasks all day. Sometimes people need a context switch to stay productive.

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    4. Re:Unlikely To Change by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have no idea how untrue that is. Have you ever worked on a factory production line, have you worked on a building site for a subcontrator, have you ever worked any where that you are in fact supervised for the entire eight hours shift plus overtime.

      All places where middle management spend their whole day squeezing every bit of labour of the workers they can. Not to belabour the point, but the strangest thing of all is the more you get paid the less you work and the less you are supervised but work on minimum wage, the very worst pay, and you are supervised constantly and you will get fired for slacking off.

      You also get absolutely no internet access, no email, personal phone calls are restricted and even toilet breaks are monitored. People who get it easy should always think of those that get it much worse, not that you should join the as slave labour for minimum wage but, you should always consider ways that their work conditions should be improved (man those people really are underpaid for their miserable work conditions).

      When it comes to professionals of course I forecast that the biggest time waster in the future will be UMPC's and unmonitored cellular internet access.

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    5. Re:Unlikely To Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time I feel like I should be looking for a better paying job (I'm an IT grunt), I just remember what it was like working at a warehouse processing computers. It was literally 8 hours of tedious, repetitive work that left me drained by the afternoon. It did pay $.50 an hour more though, but damned if I'd be posting here right now if I were still doing that.

    6. Re:Unlikely To Change by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The "context switch" you mention is incredibly important. I have pretty varied responsibility at work (the downside of working in an IT department with a total staff of 12 people). Sometimes I'll be doing almost nothing but coding for days on end - sometimes I'll have nothing at all to do. Sometimes I'll have email server issues. Right now I'm manually creating a conversion table to switch a land classification system in one old system to a better system that we're implementing. In short, sometimes my work gets monotonous.

      I've found that if I stick to it straight for hours on end, not only do I get cranky and less productive, but I also feel so drained that I often don't even feel like doing anything when I get home. So, I take an approach of working diligently for 40-45 minutes, and then going off and doing something else (personal email, Slashdot, whatever) for 10-15 minutes. Doing that I generally get more done and feel much less drained when I get home at the end of the day. You just have to have something to break up the chores that you have to perform.

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    7. Re:Unlikely To Change by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

      Chortle!

      Double chortle at your sig! A veritable storm of chortles!

      Seriously: Our weird vilification of employees wanting to live lives is really freaky. I mean, how many people have been genuinely sick, but afraid/unable to take a sick day? I know I have.

      And what are they getting if I come in sick? Someone not thinking well, with a horrible sound coming from his lungs, a sick boss and other employees, and sick customers.

    8. Re:Unlikely To Change by AgentPhunk · · Score: 1
      I'm all for employee's listening to music at work, but NOT via streaming. I have over 80 remote offices connected up to an MPLS VPN cloud via T1's. Internet (and thus streaming) access is backhauled through the cloud and out through one of two 45Mbps DS3's. All it takes is a half-dozen slackers listening to 128Kbps streams, and another couple watching YouTube and Break.com videos, and the remote pipe is almost saturated. THEN they complain that they can't get their work done because "the network is too slow."

      I'm putting proxy servers in place right now, with full intention of first quantifying/aggregating how much bandwidth is being wasted, and next blocking it outright.

      Yes, there are definitely business-related streams, and those will get white-listed.

      And, to preemptively respond to the "just get more bandwidth" naysayers, here's what's involved with that:
      $800/month for the extra T1
      $500-$1000 one-time charge to add a second WIC (wan interface card) to the router
      about 10 hours (at least) of network engineering time to order the new circuit through the provider, coordinate with the locals to extend the new circuit into our closet, get on a call and do a "hot cut" to switch over to the bonded T1 config and apply new QoS policies, then make sure the monitoring platforms recognize that its now a NxT1 (n=2,3,etc).

      All this just so Jason the Temp can listen to WOXY online.

      Use your damn iPod!

    9. Re:Unlikely To Change by dogmatixpsych · · Score: 1

      Isn't it better if you reverse that? Work for 10-15 minutes then take 45-50 minutes off? :)

    10. Re:Unlikely To Change by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Ha, ha I love doing that. I had a videoconference once where I was coughing really hard. They discussed the plan, which was "Hal codes like a bastard". One of the guys at the other end of the video conference said "what do we do if Hal dies".

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    11. Re:Unlikely To Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At my office we get 10 minutes to do whatever each hour. It really helps desk fatigue to just go stand outside for a bit or go chat with your coworkers, what have you.

    12. Re:Unlikely To Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the downside of working in an IT department with a total staff of 12 people

      Luxury! Our IT department is just one person and that jackass spends all day posting snarky comments on /. anonymously!

    13. Re:Unlikely To Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You found an IT job that pays less than a warehouse job?!?

    14. Re:Unlikely To Change by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 1

      The warehouse must have a good union.

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  5. If they were getting their work done... by earnest+murderer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    who cares.

    If not, fire them.

    Chime the horde of corporate apologists and micromanagers pissing in the wind.

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    1. Re:If they were getting their work done... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Informative

      who cares. If not, fire them.

      This is the correct answer. Salaried employees are hired to do a specific job, not work a particular number of hours. Thus it is at the discretion of the employer to decide whether or not that job is getting accomplished. If an employee manages to work only 2 hours a day but accomplishes more work than his 8-hour/day peers, why would an employer complain?

      This aspect of being a salaried employee is actually codified in US law. (See: Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 for "exempt" employees) The law was configured for workers who may end up working odd hours or irregular hours or traveling for their employer. Since the job is much more complex than just "lift this item" or "cut this metal", charging on an hourly basis does not make sense.

      Long story short? This is a non-story. If any employer believes that his employees performance is sub-par, he should take it up with the individual employees directly rather than concerning himself with the details of their personal internet surfing.

    2. Re:If they were getting their work done... by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If an employee manages to work only 2 hours a day but accomplishes more work than his 8-hour/day peers, why would an employer complain?

      greed?

      stupidity?

      Many managers out there are way too stupid to understand a guy that can work in very intense bursts and then assume they can operate that way 24/7

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    3. Re:If they were getting their work done... by Fishead · · Score: 1

      I work probably 8 hours a week for my employer, plus maybe 15 hours a week driving to a job site. The rest of the time? Sitting on slashdot ready to spring into action!

      I may not put in a lot of hours, but when they need something done, I do a darn fine job of it. In about 15 minutes I am leaving to drive 3 hours to do a 15 minute repair job then go back home.

      If my boss were to start giving me grief over not working 40 hours a week, he knows I would be out of there, and then he would be stuck where he was before. The previous guy with my job couldn't even do a good job for the 8 hours a week that was required of him.

      With me, the job gets done regardless of the time it takes, and THAT'S what matters. The customers love me, and my wife and kids get to see me.

    4. Re:If they were getting their work done... by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nice in theory, but it does not always work out that way.

      On the one side you will have people who get employed and get things done in 2 hours and then could go home.

      On the other side you have employers who give you so much to do that you need to work 16 hours instead of taking 2 people who work 8 hours.

      Both extrem examples, but 1 hour per person is already a nice amount of money you do not need to pay.

      So I do work 8 hours and if they wish to give me only two hours work then I do /. for 6. If they give me 9 hours of work, they will not get the task done, because I can only do 8. If they compensate me for 9 hours, I will work 9.

      This does not mean I never do extra hours. It is as always a bit of give and take. But if I work in a team of 8 people and they do it with everybody, they better hire a month if they want to have the task done in time.

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    5. Re:If they were getting their work done... by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I once worked a full 6 of 8 hours in one day... Turns out I did 3x more than my coworkers did.

      Now I feel guilty that I did too much and am making my peers look bad... so... you'll see me around here more :)

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    6. Re:If they were getting their work done... by theverylastperson · · Score: 1

      I don't fully agree. I think you pose a valid arguement when considering salaried employees. But I manage a network of 80+ users and only a handfull are salary.

      I spend lots of time cleaning up viruses that come from personal emails, personal surfing and personal abuse of the network. It's not 25% of the people doing this, it's 100% of them doing it 25% of the time. Yes, we've fired the worst offenders and warnings are given.

      But we live in a day and age where Flash Ads from cnn.com can infect a system with Malware, I don't feel personal use of the networks is appropriate at all (yes I know I'm reading Slashdot at 10:30 in the morning, but I get a lot of job related info from this sites news sources, so I consider it a valid use of the network).

      I don't consider this a non-story because I forwarded to my boss to help him understand the issues I face with this very topic. Personal use of corporate networks cost lots of money and that leads to lower productivity and lower revenues. In an economy where we're bleeding money (especially in the large corporate world) I fail to see how this is a non-story.

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    7. Re:If they were getting their work done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In an economy where we're bleeding money (especially in the large corporate world)"

      You mean those places where they try to micromanage and restrict their employees' time the most? How peculiar.

    8. Re:If they were getting their work done... by pbhj · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Many managers out there are way too stupid to understand a guy that can work in very intense bursts and then assume they can operate that way 24/7

      This is capitalism. You have one guy who can work for 45 years for you at 60% productivity. But you want 80%+ so you squeeze him until he breaks and then get another guy to do his job. You pay lower wages and keep some movement in your workforce that allows you to adjust headcount down easily (you just let a few workers drop off and don't hire more).

      That guy you mention can probably operate at "burst rate" for 8 hours a day, just not for more than one day. The money chasers only care at the balance point between training new hires and burning out old ones. Human resources. If his job is one anyone can do and people are queueing up to get a job ...

    9. Re:If they were getting their work done... by theverylastperson · · Score: 1

      How is managing the security of a network 'micromanagement'? Should all large companies just scrap their IT policy because it's 'micomanagement'?

      I'm sorry, but in this particular case I think it is imperative for companies to manage their networks and if there is a problem with corporate security because someone can't wait until they get home to check their HotMail then that's the kind of 'micromanagement' that doesn't fall into the offensive, over the top, WTF are they thinking level of micromanagement to which reference.

      I have a buddy who works for Sprint. Recently there has been MAJOR issues there will network intrusion, all traced back to personal use of the network (mostly involving Malware). I'm curious what kind of solution you would suggest considering your support of personal use of the Internet at work.

      I would also like to point out that my particular company has just under 100 employees and we're having these issues as well. What kind of solution would you implement? I'm serious, because I don't want to block MySpace (I've caught a lot of grief over it). If there is another solution then I'd sure like to know about.

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    10. Re:If they were getting their work done... by paanta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In an economy where we're bleeding money (especially in the large corporate world) I fail to see how this is a non-story.

      Ohhhhh, so we should work harder. We lose money on every unit we produce, but we make it up on volume!

    11. Re:If they were getting their work done... by theverylastperson · · Score: 1

      No, we should work smarter, not harder. We should stop participating in foolish habits simply because we can't wait until we get home to look at MySpace. If you think for a second that personal use of the Internet isn't costing companies big and small, then you're living in a fantasy world.

      So if there's another solution to the security threat then I'd like to know about it. Please let me know how you keep your network safe with everyone surfing wherever they want, whenever they want.

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    12. Re:If they were getting their work done... by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

      Mod parent the FSCK up.

      This is what I'm talking about. This urge to micromanage is the result of looking at employees not as people, but as faceless resources to be consumed. Well, environments that aren't designed to consume, but to support and guide, WORK BETTER. It's just true.

      Anecdotal evidence isn't great, but I know my productivity didn't go up when people axed my break time. It went down, because I went from "Hi! Nice to meet you! Oh, you've got that "My telephone crapped out look... let me find what you need!" to "Welcome to Blahblahblah. Would you like a cellphone today? No? Ok." You burn out.

      And it becomes more of a killer the more menial and/or repetitive your job is.

    13. Re:If they were getting their work done... by algerath · · Score: 1

      "I don't feel personal use of the networks is appropriate at all (yes I know I'm reading Slashdot at 10:30 in the morning, but I get a lot of job related info from this sites news sources, so I consider it a valid use of the network)."

      I can understand that you pick up job related stuff here, but your comment is pretty deep into the discussion of a story on personal use of the internet at work. I am not seeing a lot of good professional references here in this discussion. It kind of seems like a saying I once heard, something about houses and glass and stones. I could be off on this, but if personal use is not appropriate at all I don't see how browsing the comments on this story is appropriate.

    14. Re:If they were getting their work done... by Knara · · Score: 1

      In my experience the "major security breaches caused by personal [whatever]" is code for, "we didn't do a very good job when we created our layered security model".

      There's no reason at all why simple personal use should result in any more than one machine being compromised (the initial vector). There's plenty of technology in place that prevents that AND allows for non-draconian PC usage. Having managed machines on a "wild-west", large LAN environment, I know it can be done. It requires the IT people to have a clue, however, and that particular attribute is often in short supply.

    15. Re:If they were getting their work done... by shawb · · Score: 1

      And then, like many employees, part of your job is simply being available to spring into action when needed. I'd say that a 1/3 overhead in staffing for positions where availability is important seems quite reasonable. 1/3 overhead means 1/4 of the time spent isn't doing anything immediately productive to the company, such as personal shopping or investing online. To an outsider, someone at a computer is simply working if they can't see the screen, so it gives the impression of being busy. This can give a much more professional appearance than the traditional ways of whittling away those extra 2 hours a day... reading magazines, chatting with coworkers, etc (think of the early 1980s Hollywood stereotype of a secretary reading a fashion magazine and doing her nails vs. the modern equivalent of browsing ebay in a manner which the customers will not see.) In these cases it is important that the employee be able to switch from the personal time to the professional time quickly, which is why I personally like a policy that solitaire and websites are generally not blocked or monitored electronically, but getting physically caught playing games or chatting online can get one chastised. It's not the playing of the games that is troublesome so much as not being able to quickly return focus to the office environment.

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    16. Re:If they were getting their work done... by Renraku · · Score: 1

      Your manager was hired to manage you and how you spend your time.

      Some managers are good managers. They see what they need to do, they see the resources they have, and they make it happen. They figure out ways to make it happen faster, or more efficiently.

      If you're working two hours a day, your manager isn't doing a good job at being efficient. They should be finding you more work to do. I, personally, am a fast worker. But I've learned that it often does NOT get rewarded. What will get you noticed and rewarded is choosing when to work fast, and when to work at a relaxed pace. For example, when crunch time comes, give it your all. Make sure they know that you're working hard. When the numbers come out and you're usually in the lead, you'll get noticed.

      On the other hand, if you work faster than everyone else all the time, you'll just end up doing more work for the same pay, which is the ultimate goal of any manager. Can you blame them? Some managers are unreasonable about it, though, and count every minute.

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    17. Re:If they were getting their work done... by theverylastperson · · Score: 1

      You start off by saying 'In my experience major security breeches..."

      My questions is 'If you're so awesome, then why do you have so much experience with major security breeches'? And if your experience with them tells you that "we didn't do a very good job when we created our layered security model", then wouldn't you be part of the 'we' in that statement?

      I'd love to know more about this mythical layered security model that never fails. My advice is to patent it and then sell the concept to AT&T, Sprint, NASA and the Alaskan State Government, because they have all had 'major security breaches' within the last year. They could really use an IT guy who has a clue....

      Companies that allow their users free reign over the Internet are asking for trouble and there is no magical 'layered security model' that works 100% of the time, if you believe this it is because you simply don't have the experience yet to know that you're wrong. When millions and sometimes Billions of dollars are at stake, then I'll just keep blocking MySpace, because honestly it has no place at work. Personal use of the Internet is not a right and it's restriction is no more draconian than companies that don't let their employees sleep on the couches in the lobby (but why not dude, they're couches, I have a right to sleep on them. Down with the Man!)

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    18. Re:If they were getting their work done... by Knara · · Score: 1

      The whole point of layered security is that the redundancy allows some layers to fail without exposing the rest of the system to failure. That is, the entire paradigm is conceived with failure in mind.

      The problem with many organizations is that they do the "hard shell / gooey center" implementation, and often think that if they have 3 hard shells, its still okay to have the gooey center. Obviously this isn't the case.

      Furthermore, if you've ever looked at most telecom or government network infrastructures, the number of poorly run (lacking even basic essential security paradigms) networks is surprisingly high (telecoms have the further problem that they're not really organically grown, planned networks, but rather a bunch of them jammed together after acquisitions).

      There's a reason why IT gets outsourced a lot, many IT people *aren't*very*good*at*their*jobs*.

      I'm not going to bother with the rest of your strawmen.

    19. Re:If they were getting their work done... by Nicolay77 · · Score: 1

      Easy, block by HTTP_USER_AGENT.

      IE gets a whitelist of job related domains, a secure browser like Firefox or Opera gets to browse the entire net.

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  6. Spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when spam considered personal ?

    1. Re:Spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Since dawn of time. Why we talk like cavemen?

    2. Re:Spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is spamm formed?

      How mail get virisses?

    3. Re:Spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You insensitive clod.

      Cavemen are people too.

    4. Re:Spam? by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

      If it's talking about enlarging my penis, it's personal.

  7. No way of tracking? by Serenissima · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bosses often have no way of tracking Internet activity

    Bosses have no way of tracking Internet activity? Maybe they should read the rest of the article...

    Paul Hortop, who reviews company network security for consultancy Voco, said the most common websites visited by personal web surfers were online trading sites, instant messaging/chat services and peer-to-peer sharing sites (allowing movie, music and software sharing)."

    Seems like they can track Internet activity pretty well?

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    1. Re:No way of tracking? by digitalgiblet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This article was no more than a press release for Mr. Hortop to drum up more business for his company Voco. If a microscopic fraction of the people who read the article contact him, then he had a successful zero-cost marketing campaign...

    2. Re:No way of tracking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a la "slashvertisement"

    3. Re:No way of tracking? by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      They have no way of tacking what I do when I'm ssh'd to my own machine at home!

    4. Re:No way of tracking? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I was going to reply... but you had it first.

      For those that aren't in the 'know'. Download Putty, or PortaPutty. Enter a "dynamic" tunnel under SSH and SSH to any host. In Firefox set it up to use a SOCKS proxy.

      If you can't install FireFox, use PortableFirefox.

      They recently 'shutoff' the internet to all the test cell operators where I work. They ingeniously just hid Internet Options in IE but RegEdit still works. We new have a rogue '.reg' file floating around which restores this.

    5. Re:No way of tracking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not zero-cost. It's called PR and he probably paid another firm to plant this 'story' so he'd get mentioned. All part of advertising, just a little below the radar.

    6. Re:No way of tracking? by 77Punker · · Score: 1

      I prefer X-window forwarding on Linux or RDP on Windows because my history/cookies still exist on my home machine instead of the work computer.

    7. Re:No way of tracking? by pbhj · · Score: 1

      Zero cost ... you mean you drew attention to his company name for free?

      I just assumed you were a paid promoter. You're the only way I noticed the company name ... the internet really screws with me sometimes, I can't work out if the "bad publicity" is really bad or just to get more page impressions.

    8. Re:No way of tracking? by digitalgiblet · · Score: 1

      Zero cost ... you mean you drew attention to his company name Voco for free?

      I just assumed you were a paid promoter. You're the only way I noticed the company name ... the internet really screws with me sometimes, I can't work out if the "bad publicity" is really bad or just to get more page impressions.

      If I were a paid promoter I'd do a much, much better job of mentioning Mr. Hortop and his company, Voco as many times as possible.

      How can you even imply that I might be a paid promoter when I only mentioned Hortop and Voco just ONE time?

      Oh, well. Sorry if I sounded like a paid promoter.

    9. Re:No way of tracking? by Knara · · Score: 1

      Bingo. This was a slashvertisement.

    10. Re:No way of tracking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even in the mid to late 90s my boss was sent a weekly report of what his employees were visiting on the internet. It was above board. The employees signed a notification form that this was policy to have their activity monitored. Most employees thought no one was really watching. How wrong they were.
       
        I was just an administrative assistant back then and he would call me in to ask me what kind of content was on the websites his other employees were visiting.
       
        The one instance that made me chuckle the most was when I advised this VP that his Lighting Designer visiting 'hotmail' was not infact visiting a pornographic website. (At least directly)

    11. Re:No way of tracking? by pbhj · · Score: 1

      lolz!

  8. So what? by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I come to work at nine, work straight till 5, and bring lunch in. About 5-10 minutes of every hour are spent checking personal emails, calling my home internet service, calling back the health insurance compan, etc. A lot of stuff can only get done during the day. Plus, a lot of other employees spend 10 minutes every hour outside smoking. Big deal.. my boss knows I don't spend every minute staring at my code, but he also knows that it's important to renew the mind regularly in order to maintain quality.

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    1. Re:So what? by yukk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. There is goofing off and then there is taking a break to refresh your mind. Sometimes I get "in the zone" and work flat out for hours forgetting to have lunch and sometimes I find that there's a typo and I stare at the code and I just can't see it. Staring for another hour won't help. Wandering off to think about something else, get a coffee, talk to the receptionist or "goofing off" means I come back with a fresh outlook. Then there's stuff that has to be done between 9 and 5 (or 10 and 4 for government stuff) and if you're fretting about whether that important personal government document is ever going to get done, how do you concentrate on work ? Place that call, work while you're on hold, deal with the matter and everyone's happy. At least that's how I see it. My boss seems to agree. We both get our work done and we both keep our lives, family and sanity together.

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      The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat." Lily Tomlin
    2. Re:So what? by houghi · · Score: 1

      Looks like a normal day where I have worked and work. In fact it is the law in Belgium.

      Start , have a lunch break and stop at the end of the day. The Lunch break is a minimum of 30 minutes. These are the working hours. Where I work a total of 7h12m per day. This is what you get payed for. No pay during your lunch break.

      During your first and your second 'shift' you also have a 10 minute break that you can use however you desire. Many take it as a smoke break or use it to look things up for you personally. These breaks are payed.

      Extra time is either payed in holidays or in money. With the latter you will pay extra taxes on them. You are not allowed by lay to work more then 9 hours and you must take 8 (I think) hours between stopping time and starting time.

      Obviously there always is a way around the law. However it is very difficult to either force or make people "volunteer" to do extra shifts. This is all done so there are less unemployed people.

      If this achieves its goals is another matter.

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  9. More Importantly, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Who Cares?

    My company gives me access to the fax machine for "personal" stuff now and then if I need, why should internet access be any different?

    If they cannot afford the bandwidth or cannot afford to "pay me to surf slashdot" for 20 mins/day, then they deserve to go under and I'm better off elsewhere.

  10. As long as the work gets done... by assantisz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... why would anybody care about this? Just make sure the online activities are legal and according to company policies (no porn or hate sites, for example). There is absolutely no need to go beyond that. Let the employees have some downtime.

    1. Re:As long as the work gets done... by GPS+Tracking · · Score: 0

      That's just wrong. If you're are just there for yourself and don't care about the success of the company you work for, you shouldn't be working there.

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    2. Re:As long as the work gets done... by assantisz · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that if I have some idle time I should move my arse into my boss's office and ask for more work? I think there is more to the success of a company than 100% utilization of its employees. There have been studies, for example, that employer sponsored rest time during work hours has positive impact on the efficiency of employees.

    3. Re:As long as the work gets done... by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      If you're are just there for yourself and don't care about the success of the company you work for, you shouldn't be working there.
      The company exists for the people, not the other way around. If the company is only there for itself and doesn't care about the success of its employees then it shouldn't exist.

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    4. Re:As long as the work gets done... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      That's just wrong. If you're are just there for yourself and don't care about the success of the company you work for, you shouldn't be working there.

      Bugger that. I generally care about the success of the company I work for only insofar as if they go under, I am out of a job. I see nothing wrong with that, since most companies I've worked for care about MY well-being only insofar as I continue to work, and if my condition falls below that point, I go bye-bye. "Company loyalty" is an outdated concept, with the possible exception of small startups (one of which I currently work for, thus why I qualified my above statements). The corporate machine doesn't give an airborne copulation at a ventrally rotating pastry about you, your family, or your life (except in cases where they try to dictate what you can do with it while not on their time), so why should the workers care about them?

    5. Re:As long as the work gets done... by GPS+Tracking · · Score: 0

      I agree, it's too bad that loyalty has gone away in a lot of companies. The employer has to show appreciation to the employee first and treat them like gold. If an employer does this, the good employees will come to the surface and should be rewarded well for going the extra mile.

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    6. Re:As long as the work gets done... by deraj123 · · Score: 1

      I think you're both full of crap. The company exists to make money for its owners. I am working at the company in order to make money for myself.

      We both gain from a mutually beneficial arrangement that we call "employment". If the company no longer feels that I am worth what I cost, they let me go. If I no longer feel that I am paid what I am worth, I leave.

    7. Re:As long as the work gets done... by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      Just make sure the online activities are legal and according to company policies (no porn or hate sites, for example).

      I wonder what Hugh Hefner's company policies look like?

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      "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K
    8. Re:As long as the work gets done... by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

      Ideally, yes. In a well designed system, both employer and employee have power in the relationship.

      Except that currently, the employer, on average, has a disproportionate slice of the power in this relationship.

      I haven't been in a situation where I could voluntarily leave a job in quite a while. I'm college educated, reasonably intelligent, and have glowing references from my employers (and was good friends with both my most recent bosses).

    9. Re:As long as the work gets done... by algerath · · Score: 1

      I think You are full of crap.
      You ARE right that a company exists to make money for its owners. The best way to do that is not to have all of your employees hate the place and only care about getting the paycheck. Happy employees tend to care about the company and unhappy ones don't.

      "That just makes me work hard enough to not get fired" Peter and the Bobs remember that bit. It's kind of true.

    10. Re:As long as the work gets done... by deraj123 · · Score: 1

      I apologize. I should have said "I am working at the company in order to benefit myself" instead. I fully agree with you that having happy employees means that you get better work out of them. That's part of the cost. And a pleasant work environment is one of the benefits I receive from my employment.

      I'd also like to point out that my statement "I think you're both full of crap" was directed towards the posters who stated:

      If you're are just there for yourself and don't care about the success of the company you work for, you shouldn't be working there.

      and

      The company exists for the people, not the other way around. If the company is only there for itself and doesn't care about the success of its employees then it shouldn't exist.

      The company only cares about it's employees welfare in so far as it affects their cost/benefit ratio. The employee only cares about the company's welfare in so far as it affects their cost/benefit ratio. (Note cost/benefit does not always have to refer to money, although in the case of the company, it usually does.)

    11. Re:As long as the work gets done... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By benefiting the company, you will benefit yourself, IF it is a good company.(br)

      (br) If you don't agree, don't apply for a job at my business because you won't get hired.(br)

  11. Sounds about right by tergvelo · · Score: 1

    *looks at the fellow posters*

    But seriously, I don't see anyone in my company using a P2P app on their work machine. Hell, the only reason I post on /. is because I bring in my personal laptop. And anything that would look bad for the company is done via remote desktop to my home machine. Isn't that what win-win is all about?
    ~t

  12. Who cares by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you do the work you're supposed to be doing then so far as I can see you're free to do whatever you like with the rest of the time you spend at work.

  13. Slashdot readers spend 80% by ilovesymbian · · Score: 1

    Slashdot readers spend 80% to 90% of their Internet time at slashdot.org.

    1. Re:Slashdot readers spend 80% by QuantumHobbit · · Score: 1

      I think 10-20% time reading the article is a bit generous. 5% RTFAing tops.

  14. It's called by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    morale.

  15. Unlikely To Break in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "People have always found ways to waste time at work, and that's not going to change any time soon."

    I'd be more worried about the security implications. Besides what does goofing off say about job satisfaction? Or lack of resources to do this at home?

    1. Re:Unlikely To Break in. by Mr2cents · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People aren't machines. And if your job is creative, you *need* to turn the switch from time to time to force you to think about something completely different. Otherwise you keep thinking the same way about a problem (tunnel vision), instead of finding a new and better way to solve it. At least, that's what I think.

      Now, back to work..

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    2. Re:Unlikely To Break in. by JCSoRocks · · Score: 1

      I agree, I've almost never solved a problem by just banging my head against it. Usually going for a walk or just taking 10 minutes away from my PC gives me time to think of a new way to tackle it. This obviously only applies for those complex issues that come up a few times a week... not "what should I have for lunch today".

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    3. Re:Unlikely To Break in. by EEBaum · · Score: 2, Funny

      This obviously only applies for those complex issues that come up a few times a week... not "what should I have for lunch today".

      You obviously have never seen the lunch discussions at my office.

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  16. right person for the right job by osopolar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about this ... don't pay people for their time anymore. Pay them for what they know or for what they do. Performance based incentive is better than straight salary. Get rid of the attitude that I Mr. big shot employer am your boss as long as you are on the clock. Get a new attitude that you can't control peoples lives by the second. This has most likely gone on from the dawn of employment - now thanks to the internet we can track it by the second. PEACE!

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    1. Re:right person for the right job by pbhj · · Score: 1

      Performance based incentive is better than straight salary.

      Works perfectly at the USPTO??!

      Plus those technicians at the LHC being paid per petabyte of data archived are going to be looking pretty thin by next Spring.

  17. It's lower for me cause ... by neonprimetime · · Score: 4, Funny

    on my time sheet I record time spent on /. as Job Responsibility Training.

    1. Re:It's lower for me cause ... by Stooshie · · Score: 4, Informative

      R and D

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    2. Re:It's lower for me cause ... by Twyst3d · · Score: 0

      Yup. I spend time on /. learning "important industry news critical to the ongoing success of our business". Yes. Im serious. (not saying I dont go anywhere else either)

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      And this has been another installament of Captain Obvious! /whoosh
    3. Re:It's lower for me cause ... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      R and D

      Professional development. :-P

      Cheers

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    4. Re:It's lower for me cause ... by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

      R, man. Just R.

    5. Re:It's lower for me cause ... by robthebloke · · Score: 1

      yeah, i always come to work to relax....

    6. Re:It's lower for me cause ... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The Daily WTF - Coding Standards Training
      Dilbert - Management Training

    7. Re:It's lower for me cause ... by Geoff · · Score: 1

      After all, it says right on the top of the page that it's "stuff that matters"!

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      Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso

    8. Re:It's lower for me cause ... by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      http://dilbert.com/fast/ is better. Virtually nothing on the page except the comic, and it's in color.

  18. 25% by thermian · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't code *without* having a browser window open. Sometimes for looking things up that are concerned with work, but more often because I like to take a quick random browse now and then while I ponder something (why are there no easy programming problems when you get decent pay?).

    My boss knows, and doesn't care. All that matters is the code required is delivered in a reasonable time.

    Sure, not browsing the web for 'personal use' would speed things up, but then I'd be less happy, which would impact work quality.

    By my calculation I've been paid £5.30 to read slashdot today.

    [turns round to tell boss]

    Yup, no problem.

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    A learning experience is one of those things that say, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' - D. Adams
    1. Re:25% by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Sure, not browsing the web for 'personal use' would speed things up, but then I'd be less happy, which would impact work quality.

      A happy voluntary worker is a productive voluntary worker. It is a basic rule of business. It is why there are so many morale initiatives at companies. In fact, a well paid worker with low morale will produce less than a moderate, and in some cases low, paid worker with good morale.

        If they took away the internet access, one would be miserable and one's productivity would go down. And, chances are one would have to take more time off longer lunches, etc, to get personal business done that one now does on-line.

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    2. Re:25% by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      If they took away the internet access, one would be miserable and one's productivity would go down.
      Absolutely. How many times have you gone on the web to look for an elegant solution to some little code snippet working with an object or interface that you are not that familiar with? Sure you could trial and error your way to success, but you could shave hours off of your time by finding someone who has already done that. Unless everyone in the world works for your company and google has indexed the employees and their knowledge base for you, you are much more likely to be able to find that information on the internet then in your office.

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    3. Re:25% by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 0, Redundant

      "Compiling!" http://xkcd.com/303/

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    4. Re:25% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do the same thing.

      A couple bosses back (same company I currently work at), my boss noticed Slashdot up on my screen twice in a row as he was walking by. He called me into his office to chew me out, and kept close tabs on me from then on. After a couple weeks I told my boss's boss that it was him or me, but one of us was done...

      Three years later, and I'm still here. My ex-boss found a nice government job.

  19. Not here by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    the most common websites visited by personal web surfers were online trading sites, instant messaging/chat services and peer-to-peer sharing sites

    Everyone where I work (for state government) must go through our proxy except for a select few circumstances. All the sites listed above are blocked and a nice warning message comes up if you try to get to one of them.

    How bosses can't know where their employees are going on the intertubes is beyond me as we have people checking the log files and see the people trying to get to boobsgonewild.com, donkeylove.com and giganticasses.com for 20 minutes at a time. If bosses don't know where their people are going, then the people in charge of the network aren't doing their jobs (or the bosses don't care).

    And yes, I am at work right now as I type this, abusing the taxpayer dollars by doing something personal. Working in IT and being the go-to guy does have its perks. Not that being good at what I do will get me anywhere, but that's another story.

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    1. Re:Not here by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      How bosses can't know where their employees are going on the intertubes is beyond me as we have people checking the log files and see the people trying to get to boobsgonewild.com, donkeylove.com and giganticasses.com for 20 minutes at a time

      my vpn connection to home kicks the proxy overlords in the nuts hard and only leaves a note that I was hard at work.

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  20. Why so low by Marillion · · Score: 1

    I am surprised that the number is a low as 25%.

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  21. I'm paid to do a job of work NOT watch the clock. by TractorBarry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm paid to perform a job of work. Not to watch the clock. If something has to be ready for, say, Friday then assuming it's possible I'll get it ready for Friday. In the meantime I might talk to some colleagues, surf the 'net etc. etc. Guess what ? the work gets done.

    Managers who think you should be spending every second of the working day "working" are idiots. If that's what you want employ a robot.

    Employers who are stuck with this Victorian "factory clock punch" mentality rarely do well as working for them sucks and anyone with half a brain leaves at the earliest opportunity (been there, done that). The ones left usually spend most of their time in a fug of resentment and when forced to perform do so with minimum effort.

    Ho hum, another silly management study.

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  22. So what?-Goof balls. by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    Maybe that says more about the American work environment. Are Europeans goofing off more?

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    1. Re:So what?-Goof balls. by camperdave · · Score: 3, Informative

      Europeans tend to start with at least 4 weeks of vacation time per year, as opposed to the two that us North Americans get.

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    2. Re:So what?-Goof balls. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      25 days minimum now.

      I'm on 27 a year now.
      And that doesn't include 20 days allowed for sick (at full pay), as well as all the national holidays - Christmas, New Years etc - they add up to about 12 I think.

      Treat your employees well, don't make them slave for you, and you'll get more out of them.

    3. Re:So what?-Goof balls. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5 weeks for France, and it's starting at.

  23. Someone is asleep at the wheel by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

    FTFA:

    I'd be inclined to say Hellboy fits into that geek community where people are technology-literate and using peer-to-peer file sharing.

    Often the people abusing resources will be more technology-literate than the people responsible for the security of the network. CIOs and CEOs are often a little distant from the technologies they're responsible for.

    The CEOs are not expected to be sysadmins. The CIOs are expected to know the big picture of systems administration, not the latest 0-days, brand new intrusion detection prevention system or other details.

    But if the users outhack the on-the-floor sysadmins who do the work (not the ones who decide that it must be done), why aren't they put to use in the IT department? On the face of it, this looks like horrible mismanagement: "our non-IT staff are better at IT than our IT staff". Utilize the staff where they show their competence.

    To become king of the Goblins, one must assassinate the previous king. Thus, only the most foolish seek positions of leadership.

    Not sure why I quote that, but it sounds cool ;)

    1. Re:Someone is asleep at the wheel by tppublic · · Score: 1
      Utilize the staff where they show their competence.

      IFF they want to be utilized that way.

      On the face of it, this looks like horrible mismanagement

      I fundamentally disagree. Job satisfaction, work output, and so many other measures are not dependent upon putting the most efficient person in a job. A Microeconomics class would disillusion believers of that notion very quickly. Economically, it would be putting the person relatively most efficient in the job (who might be the least efficient overall). However, it's a lot more complicated than the short-term economic solution.

      For example, the long-term value of the employee must be considered. Management and executive development programs have to pull from somewhere, and companies have to let employees explore (and fail) in order to learn & develop.

      Part of this must be solved relative to what the employee wants. I am an engineer by education. I left engineering and even tried sales for two years (Upon reflection: I'm not good at it). I'm now in marketing, which I enjoy. However, I'd probably be much more efficient than most of the programmers that work in the buildings around me. On the other hand, if my employer told me I had to program because I'm better at it than the people doing the development today, I'd go find an employer that actually listens.

    2. Re:Someone is asleep at the wheel by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      On the face of it, this looks like horrible mismanagement
      I fundamentally disagree

      And for some very good reasons, which I agree with. I think I should have stressed the on the face of it a bit more, because it stops at the surface :)

  24. ASD by internerdj · · Score: 1

    I just finished reading Adaptive Software Development. While the method isn't for everyone one interesting point he makes is that employees are not human resources, e.g. cogs in a giant machine to turn out some desired productivity level at least not in technical work. To ignore the productivity impacts of forcing a team or individual to nose to the grindstone every hour of every day is a sure shot at turnover, which means a loss of productivity because of a steep learning curve to the next employee at the wheel.

    1. Re:ASD by deraj123 · · Score: 1

      at least not in technical work.

      Scrap technical and change it to something like "creative" or "problem solving" - there are plenty of people who do "technical work" who basically are cogs in a machine (from an employer's point of view).

  25. Idiots did the study one sided by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Without a comparison, that information is useless.

    How about listing the percentage of time on the phone AFTER work that is for work?

    Or how about listing the percent of people's free time that is taken by 'overtime'. Or emails from work received in my personal email box.

    Or at the VERY least they need to see how much of that 'time spent on line' was done during 9-5 and how much of that 'time spent on line' was during overtime hours.

    For many people, it could be 25% spent of online time at work is 'personal', but 90% of that is done in their 9th hour at work. I.E. I really need to be shopping for a birthday present for my wife but the boss needs me here at work, so I'll log on and get something from Amazon while I'm waiting for Joe to call me back with the answer to my question.

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    1. Re:Idiots did the study one sided by zarkill · · Score: 1

      funny you should mention that. CNN just posted an article discussing how more and more people do work on their off-time.

    2. Re:Idiots did the study one sided by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

      Also, it utterly ignores people with burst schedules. For instance, a receptionist (whose job hasn't been horribly overloaded) that doesn't have any calls coming in had BETTER have something to do; or else it's mind-numbing. Or what about people who are waiting on input from another employee? Sure, you can say "Go do something else business-related," but everywhere I've seen that policy, it's ended up being useless make-work (i.e. restocking basically full shelves, or re-inventorying counted merchandise).

  26. Its called a firewall by Rooked_One · · Score: 1

    I work for a rather large computer company - you've seen our ads. If we don't want our users to get out on the internet, our firewall will block them.

    nothing more to see here - unless I can throw some common sense in your general direction.

  27. Since being made redundant-- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever since being informed my services were no longer required (but for some reason I am required to work out my notice period), I'd say about 100% of my browsing time has become personal. Scratch that, 100% of my office face-time, period.

    £ong £ive the new Bu$h conomy.

    1. Re:Since being made redundant-- by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Ever since being informed my services were no longer required (but for some reason I am required to work out my notice period)...

      Far out. Most of the places I've worked at have scratched my network access, required me to clear my desk and ushered me out of the building immediately. I know why that's done, of course, since a disgruntled employee can do a lot of damage, but I always found the experience a bit unnerving - a bit like you've been spat out on the sidewalk.

      If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't complain.

    2. Re:Since being made redundant-- by SageMusings · · Score: 1

      Where I work, you can't even clear your desk. Your belongings are shipped to your address on file with the Company. Once you are told you're gone, you leave right away with an HR rep and security escort.

      It's always a Friday afternoon, too. However, if you give 2 weeks notice, HR can get you out on any day within 30 minutes or so if a counter offer is not attempted.

      Oddly, that's the only thing our management is actually efficient at :o(

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  28. Too bad. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most of my coworkers spend fifteen minutes out of every hour outside smoking. I don't smoke, so why should I work harder than the smokers when I get paid less than they do?

    1. Re:Too bad. by g0dsp33d · · Score: 3, Funny

      why should I work harder than the smokers when I get paid less than they do?

      So you don't?

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    2. Re:Too bad. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      Damn right I don't. I've had five different programming jobs over the last ten years, and every one of them has proved to be thankless and demeaning. I'm not going to do more than I have to, just as management isn't going to pay me more or treat me better than they have to.

    3. Re:Too bad. by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to do more than I have to, just as management isn't going to pay me more or treat me better than they have to.

      Could there be a cause and effect relationship here? I work harder than I have to, and have for more than a few years. I now make $180k a year, despite being probably would most people would consider to be a middle of the road developer.

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    4. Re:Too bad. by rhizome · · Score: 1

      I don't smoke, so why should I work harder than the smokers when I get paid less than they do?

      There was a study a few years ago that showed that smokers interact with more coworkers at different levels in the company since the VP smoker often hangs out in the same place as the Marketing intern smoker. The study further concluded that by this token smokers enjoy avenues of advancement within the company due to their connections to senior employees.

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    5. Re:Too bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you should start smoking?

    6. Re:Too bad. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      I now make $180k a year, despite being probably would most people would consider to be a middle of the road developer.

      It's all a matter of priorities. You make $180K per year before taxes, and I only make $70K, but I've got a rock-solid marriage and I'm not killing myself with self-inflicted work-related stress.

    7. Re:Too bad. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't live long enough to get emphysema. My wife would kill me.

    8. Re:Too bad. by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is a matter of priorities. I have two kids that are doing great in school and life, have been married for 26 years, and have a single digit golf handicap. I think my priorities are OK. Going the extra mile =/= working 70 hours a week, every week. I simply take care to understand what the real objective of our business is, and do what I reasonably can to help us reach that objective. My company realizes that our company success is one of my priorities, and they appreciate and reward that commitment. It helps that I can do a variety of things pretty well, including manage customers. People who can code, build a database, manage projects, and negotiate with customer executives are pretty useful.

      Not having work stress to some degree tells me that you don't have any challenge serious enough to care about, which means you're in a low impact role. Nothing wrong with that, but that would bore me to tears. Life is too short to not care. Stress isn't necessarily bad - stress beyond your ability to handle it is.

      I put in some big hours when we need to, but I was on the golf course at 2 pm yesterday, after leading (and nailing) a key customer meeting earlier in the day. My company doesn't care about your hours, they care about your results. Which is nice.

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  29. What about the other 75% by wonkavader · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am the only person who thinks that it's amazing that many workers spend 75% of their on-line time doing work for their company? How much work can you do for your company on the web? I know there are specific jobs which require it, but most workers?

    We provide web access for all workers because there's that 10% or 5% of the time they use it where it's actually necessary for the company. We also provide it, sometimes, to improve their quality of life, and reduce the amount of time they spend away from the job on personal stuff.

    Doesn't the 25% number seem absurdly low?

    1. Re:What about the other 75% by WDot · · Score: 1

      I surfed the web a lot to answer questions that my head developer did not know the answer to, as a replacement for reference books, and occasionally to test or troubleshoot the site we were working on. I can see programmers using it instead of hefting books, but there may be need for it elsewhere.

    2. Re:What about the other 75% by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

      A lot of retail sales forces nowadays have their procedures, forms, training, and company policy on the internet instead of doing paper mailouts or maintaining in-store books.

  30. If the Boss barges in right now... by hashax · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder what we'll talk about when he sees me reading this sla...oh shit Ctrl+F4

  31. Oblig. Office Space by darkvizier · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bob Slydell: You see, what we're actually trying to do here is, we're trying to get a feel for how people spend their day at work... so, if you would, would you walk us through a typical day, for you?

    Peter Gibbons: Yeah.

    Bob Slydell: Great.

    Peter Gibbons: Well, I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, ah, I use the side door - that way Lumbergh can't see me, heh heh - and, uh, after that I just sorta space out for about an hour.

    Bob Porter: Da-uh? Space out?

    Peter Gibbons: Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.

    1. Re:Oblig. Office Space by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      Did you get that memo?

    2. Re:Oblig. Office Space by theverylastperson · · Score: 1

      It was stapled to my TPS report.

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    3. Re:Oblig. Office Space by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, anybody seen my red stapler? I can't find it and it's driving me nuts.

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    4. Re:Oblig. Office Space by theverylastperson · · Score: 1

      I used it to smash up that printer that kept giving the 'PC Load Letter' error.

      Don't worry though, it's a Swingline, they're real high quality staplers.

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    5. Re:Oblig. Office Space by Count+Fenring · · Score: 1

      My last job had a form called a TPS report, for realz. I laughed until I cried. And then I cried, because it was a pain in the rear to fill out.

    6. Re:Oblig. Office Space by Hyperhaplo · · Score: 1

      You seriously need to add the scene afterward where they explain to his boss that *Peter* is management material :)

      Gah. Can't find it. Let's continue this thread (karma burn! why not, it's Friday:

              Peter Gibbons: You see, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.
              Bob Porter: Don't...don't care?
              Peter Gibbons: It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime, so where's the motivation? And here's another thing, I have eight different bosses right now.
              Bob Porter: Eight?
              Peter Gibbons: Eight, Bob. So that means when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.

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  32. I meet my deadlines, so fuck off. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    If you do the work you're supposed to be doing then so far as I can see you're free to do whatever you like with the rest of the time you spend at work.

    I agree with you. As long as I'm making my deadlines and writing acceptable code, I don't see why management should get pissy about me slacking off from time to time. They never bitch about the smokers taking fifteen minute breaks five times a day.

    1. Re:I meet my deadlines, so fuck off. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, some managers see the time wasted as lowering the over-all (pardon the buzzword) "earned value" of a project (this doesn't apply to strictly IT departments though since there are different metrics managers will use). Remember, Those micro-managers have bonuses to look after since those lamborghini's won't buy themselves!

    2. Re:I meet my deadlines, so fuck off. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      Well, my dick won't suck itself either, so those micromanaging pusbags better get busy.

  33. I'm paid to do the robot. by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    "Managers who think you should be spending every second of the working day "working" are idiots. If that's what you want employ a robot."

    *surveys the landscape*

    Looks like they are. Just because some professions don't lend themselves to complete automation presently doesn't mean we should be complacent.

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  34. Payback's a ... by g0dsp33d · · Score: 1

    I guess this makes up for a lot of personal time away from the office spent checking email, blackberry, and phone calls.

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    1. Re:Payback's a ... by snowraver1 · · Score: 1

      Don't check email during personal time. If it was important, your phone would ring. Same with the BB.

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    2. Re:Payback's a ... by deraj123 · · Score: 1

      By checking my email once or twice in the evening, I avoid having to ignore my phone ringing. To make up for it, when I need (or want) to get something personal done during work time I do it. I'm happy with the arrangement and management is happy with the arrangement.

  35. Who would replace them? by kthejoker · · Score: 1

    The only real response required to this is that it's systemic - everybody does it. Sure, you may be able to fire the very worst offenders and replace them with more productive employees, but when it's systemic, who are you going to replace them with?

    That's right, more workers who will use the Internet for personal time.

    There's no solution, period. Everybody looks at it from the simple perspective of "should this person be punished / fired", but human resources also has to consider the hiring side of any employee termination, and really ask themselves if they can find a better candidate for that position.

    I think in this case, the answer is most likely no.

    1. Re:Who would replace them? by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      The only real response required to this is that it's systemic - everybody does it. Sure, you may be able to fire the very worst offenders and replace them with more productive employees, but when it's systemic, who are you going to replace them with?

      Too bad this analogy can't be effectively made to fight the RIAA's efforts against the general population, regarding 'stealing' music.

  36. Click here by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    "How bosses can't know where their employees are going on the intertubes is beyond me as we have people checking the log files and see the people trying to get to boobsgonewild.com, donkeylove.com and giganticasses.com for 20 minutes at"

    I noticed you didn't turn those into clickable links. :)

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  37. Of course more time is spent on personal stuff by aweiland · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With the advent of Blackberries, etc more time outside of work hours is given up to work. Therefore during work hours that missing personal time is being made up because there is no other time to do it. I'm not sure why employer's don't get this. You can't magically add more hours to someone's workday

  38. P2P should be blocked at work by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    I just bought an iPrism to block P2P protocols at work. The reason is that it is a potential legal liability for the company if employees are downloading movies at work and the company does nothing to stop it. I also blocked most video websites to save on bandwidth.

    However this filtering is not about productivity. I actually explicitly allowed sports websites among other things. People need to give their brain a rest sometimes as long as they know how to balance that then everything is fine.

    1. Re:P2P should be blocked at work by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 1

      As a (north) european, if find this quite strange but also very interesting:

      How on earth could your company ever be held responsible for the actions of employees obviously acting agains company regulations? I can understand that your company could be held liable if you hurt your customers or suppliers by following company procedures. But this?

      This is like an ISP accepting responsibility for everything that passes though the network. By accepting responsibility for everything, your employees are free do do anything not specifically forbidden.

      The main reason for this post is that I really find it odd that employers should ever have the right to listen in on phonecalls and read emails. This is the job of the police if employees are suspected of a crime.

      I know a lot of americans will react to this, but I'm guessing most of you act ok when using a phone at home?

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    2. Re:P2P should be blocked at work by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I managed to short circuit my own post:
      What I ment to add was that employers often claim a need to listen in on phone conversations and to read any emails in case employees comit a crime or similar.

      My point is that by taking on this role, are companies not seting themselves up for a fall?
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    3. Re:P2P should be blocked at work by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      I don't agree that the company should be held liable. It is the actions of the MPAA and RIAA which cause precedence in the courts to hold the company liable if they don't have a policy and take action to prevent file sharing.

  39. Mod parent up! by argent · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's a good point, this study didn't say that 25% of the employee's time was personal, but 25% of their online activity was personal.

    1. Re:Mod parent up! by zarkill · · Score: 1

      so if an average worker spends an hour doing work online per day, and then spends 15 minutes of that time reading the news or ordering something from amazon, you'd get this same alarmist headline.

  40. ... or they could take our souls too ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact is that 40+ hours a week plus time spent commuting either way does not leave much time for a life. There are a lot of things which can only be done during working hours - for instance dealing with businesses which are only open during working hours, at the times when you are notionally at your job.

    Employers need to recognise that employees need a certain amount of "personal" time during working hours. If it's 25%, so be it. If they wish to enforce absolutely 100% company-focused effort during work hours then probably most people couldn't do it, and if they could then they should be working a 30-hour week and perform the personal tasks (like bidding on ebay and checking the stock market) on personal time.

  41. well i'm busy... by mjs_ud · · Score: 2, Funny

    compiling

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  42. 1% for Slashdot by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    I have started a new foundation, "1% for Slashdot"

    The campaign is basically to spread awareness and understanding that 1% of my surfing time is wasted right here! ;)

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  43. And unpaid overtime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much does unpaid overtime save companies?

    In the UK, IIRC, a couple of weeks after "Internet abuse costs UK companies £3Bn!!!" there was "Unpaid overtime saves UK companies £30Bn!".

    So you can take your choice: paid overtime or some slacking.

  44. Results Only Work Environment by __aattwy1646 · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is why we should be moving towards the Results Only Work Environment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROWE). Stories like this are based on the workplace as it was 50 years ago, it's a lot different today. Performance should be based on what you get done; Employees shouldn't have to worry if they are 'appearing' busy.

  45. How many times is Slashdot going to fall for PR? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These studies are useless media exercises to sell some particular services the survey exposes.

    Let's see 50% sysadmins don't shower and why clean sysadmins are critical for your network security - a survey by Enterprise Dettol solutions.

    Very convenient and standard media manipulation. Its called FUD, and its high time Slashdot stopped entertaining these thinly disguised marketing efforts.

  46. Stupid article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Anyway, this is a stupid article. It starts out talking about employees spending working hours on personal activities, then immediately somehow ties that to illegal file sharing and raises the boogeyman of companies becoming legally responsible for such unauthorised activities.

    Methinks the author has a hidden agenda.

    1. Re:Stupid article by Jellybob · · Score: 1

      It's not very hidden. His company develops software to block web browsing and P2P.

  47. Who works 4-8 hours straight in IT? by averner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For some, working 4-8 hours straight (depending on when your lunch break is) on an intellectually demanding job is mentally exhausting to the point of being unrealistic. Some people need "personal time" so they don't get burned out, and are much more efficient if they have breaks more often.

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  48. poor security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the admin isn't setup to track usage, and able to block inappropriate activities, then the admin needs to be replaced.

    Now there would be the exception of the mom-n-pop shops using a Linksys dsl router...but that is a completely different critter to deal with...

    Principle of least privilege should apply, and full support from the "masters" has to be there or you might as well let users have full control of the pc's

    Draconian? YES! but isn't that part of the fun of being a BAFA (big cheesy grin).

    NOW GET TO WORK!

  49. Only a quarter? by MrNougat · · Score: 1

    Amateurs.

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  50. Sorry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..can't respond to this now. I'm at work.

  51. Many meanings to 'personal' by Piranhaa · · Score: 1

    Just because it's not directly work related, doesn't mean it won't help your job or company. Besides making employees happier by not cracking down on 'personal' browsing directly, there are other benefits. For one, there have been countless times at my (second) job where I've come across articles I've spent during 'personal' browsing and later told my boss about, which he would find interesting. He's come back to me many times thanking me for that read since it could actually help out the company as a whole. When there is a project to be done, I do it in bursts and my manager knows that. He's even mentioned he doesn't mind as long as the task at hand is being done in a reasonable time.

    In my other job, however, they micromanage nearly everything. You're on the clock 24/7 (it's a type of call center), all your breaks are accounted for, you get stats posted vs. other employees, yada yada. I come in every day to that job, wanting to slack more, calling in sick instead of asking for time off (because it's damn near impossible taking ANY vacation days), and doing more and more personal activities which doesn't benefit the company AT ALL..

    Just shows how beneficial 'personal' browsing time can be.

  52. So what? by MrZaius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I say this as both a manager and an employee:

    The minor loss of potentially productive time described here (25% of some undefined (didn't RTFA) percentage of the user's overall work time) is blown on personal tasks and unofficial communication not explicitly related to work..... and? This doesn't seem even remotely unusual, regardless of the availability of an Internet connection. Aside from those few jobs where contractors and the like bust their ass 12-14 weeks a quarter like in construction work, having an adequate amount of time off in between tasks, I'd say the distraction of socializing with your colleagues and dealing with certain personal matters is often a positive thing. If you're working 9-5 and you present the choice to your boss that you've either got to take an afternoon of leave to deal with your financial matters outside of the office or that you could accomplish two hours from the office via electronic means if he/she wants you to stick around, I'd expect most bosses to just roll with it. If you're working nights under my supervision and you pull up a flash game of Tetris after remedying a server outage that dominated your time and energy so much that you obviously need time to switch gears, you've earned your rewards. If you're working under me and you've got 40 tasks assigned to you and, after working each of them to the point where you want to hit Slashdot, more power to you.

    Chew 'em out when it starts to prevent them from getting their tasks completed. Reward those who goof off less, but you must accept a reasonable minimum if you want your employees to be productive, sane, and present. Most people in adequately staffed organizations wouldn't think twice about a person who takes two or three short "coffee breaks" per day or a lawyer/congressman's intern/city councilman's assistant that chews through each days newspaper during work hours. Why should you care if someone CTRL-TABs into Google News or the Wikipedia for an hour a day? Judge your employees by specific goals set ahead of time, in a fair and equitable manner. Don't jerk them around for "misusing" company resources at no cost to the company and for being human enough to need to think about something other than work a couple of times per shift. You'll get more done and have a level of morale that you can't possibly build up by micromanaging people to the extent that the summary implies that you should.

  53. Results-Only Work Environment by GBC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I recently read about a concept called Results-Only Work Environment (or ROWE for short) in a book called Why Work Sucks by Cali Ressler and Jodi Thompson. The book is about a programme they implemented at Best Buy's corporate headquarters which lets people only be judged on results, not time.

    They did away with schedules, compulsory meetings etc. and it let them weed out people who accomplished nothing, whilst allowing everyone else take control of their own time. In other words, to bring it back to the article, they suggest that ALL time is personal - it doesn't matter how you do it, provided you get what you need to done on time. Staff retention, motivation and productivity went through the roof because of it. Unfortunately most workplaces aren't willing to treat their employees like adults so the idea is not exactly widespread (yet).

    1. Re:Results-Only Work Environment by Renraku · · Score: 1

      This is the honest-to-God truth.

      The bean counters want numbers, since they're good at that game. The higher-ups want numbers, too. They want to see what their money is going towards. After all, a car company can give you megabytes of numbers describing everything in and around their car down to the micron level. Payroll wants numbers.

      Numbers, unfortunately, rarely tell the whole truth.

      The harder you work, the more stressful a job is. The more stressed that most people become, the more they hate their jobs. Stress goes away over time, but if you come in Monday morning all stressed out already because a new work week is starting, maybe its time for a new job. One that pays better, or one that is less stressful.

      The less you make, the more you're treated like dirt. The more expendable you are. As you move up the ladder in terms of salary or hourly wage, things get better. Suddenly when you're making $50,000 you're harder to replace than the minimum wage worker at McDonalds. They might not tell you "No, you CAN'T go to the bathroom again today..you've already been once! Can't you hold it? You're not a team player, are you?" because they realize the burden it will cause to find an immediate replacement for you.

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  54. And who's... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    watching the boss?

    I know for a fact where I work that many of the user's browse the internet for personal use and this includes the higher ups. Now the main issue should be with those who stream video/audio and download music from itunes.

    Who cares if people browse the internet as long as the work assigned actually gets done. If people are content at work and do their work there shouldn't be an issue with the reason someone is browsing online. Assuming its not pr0n or even Wookie pr0n.

    As long as a worker is not filesharing,etc on the work connection web browsing should be a non-issue. Just my 0.02.

  55. by volume? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "And 80 per cent of emails sent by volume in the workplace are personal."

    What does this work out to? Maybe 20 work-related emails consisting of a couple of paragraphs each, and then forward one email with jokes and pictures to friends?

    Or did they really mean to say "by number" instead of "by volume"?

  56. I challenge this information by EvilIntelligence · · Score: 1

    I challenge the accuracy of this information, and its relevance. I work in technology, and I can say first hand that at the places where I have worked the majority of the "non-work" sites visited are NOT file sharing sites. Usually, its sports, news, shopping and free email services (GMail, Yahoo, etc). And for the number of emails, most of that is done through the free email services and not the corporate email system. I do agree that a portion of time is spent on personal things, but in these days of multi-tasking, how much has that really affected productivity? I would say that it has INCREASED productivity by allowing the employees some breathing room, rather than hovering over them like a slave driver. Corporate America needs to chill, and treat their employees like humans, not robots.

    1. Re:I challenge this information by Andr+T. · · Score: 0

      I think the source of the information is not very good as well. This guy, Paul Hortop, wants his 'network security consultancy' job being requested. And if people are freaking out about their network status, they call Paul and he gets the job done. So, maybe he's interested in a study that says the network usage is totally out of control.

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  57. Yes, 15 minutes or less could count as 25% by argent · · Score: 1

    so if an average worker spends an hour doing work online per day, and then spends 15 minutes of that time reading the news or ordering something from amazon, you'd get this same alarmist headline.

    Apart from the slightly dodgy math, yes, that's the point.

    1. Re:Yes, 15 minutes or less could count as 25% by argent · · Score: 1

      Blah, I misread "and then spends 15 minutes of that time reading the news" as "and then spends 15 minutes reading the news".

      Apologies, your math isn't dodgy, my reading is.

  58. So what... by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

    The 50's through the 80's smoke breaks have been replaced with personal online time.

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  59. This is pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think these statistic don't really mean anything. Many good points have already been mentioned. There are so many variables in a person's work day, the type of worker they are. I'm sure there are plenty of people that waste time when they DO have something to do. For me, total I'll probably have maybe 4 to 5 hours of work to do a day. I can't code or research for 5 straight hours, my brain would explode. I'll work for 2 hours, take 30 minutes to read / or an interesting article on yahoo. Go back for another 45 minutes to an hour, then take 10 minutes to check email, make a phone call. Afterwards I'll code again for another 2 hours etc... All in all I end up filling out an 8 hour work day.

    The type of work depends also. Managers will have meetings scheduled all day, you think they don't take a break in between? If my manager was looking over my shoulder all day, I would quit. I get my work done as scheduled, it doesn't matter how I do it. I work with people that come in at noon and work til 8 at night because they are useless in the morning. Again, too many variables to make this statistic (if you can even call it that) usefull.

  60. Quarter of my hom eonline time is work related by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so we are even bitches

  61. I'd like to see. . . by nanamin · · Score: 1

    how a worker's profession impacts this figure. I'm a web developer for my company, and as such spend ALL my time online. I'm the type of coder who can do in an hour (sometimes even less) what takes others a day, or in a day what takes others a week.

    My tendency is to code for a couple hours, and then spend the other 7 hours surfing the web (9 hour work days; 8-5) since I'm out of work early in the day.

    I agree that workers should be paid on how much they do rather than their hours. I could come in, do my job, get paid, and leave. . .have some personal time with my friends and family, or even go work another 2 hour shift and get paid just as much. Great way to pretty much set your own hours too, or great incentive to work hard instead of putting in the bare minimum.

    The only downsides I could see are these:
    1. You're not there for the entire time, so if a client has a problem at 4 pm and you're gone already, they would have to have your cell number to reach you. Being on call constantly would suck, especially if I chose to take another job with the extra time I had. (I guess being on call is why they pay me those other 6 hours. . .)

    2. Boss loses money. Think about it: if a client agrees to pay for a 5 hour block of time for me to create a web survey with validation and all that, and I do it in 30 minutes, that's 4.5 hours my boss sold that he's making extra. Of course, I don't see a dime of it.

  62. Easy to mandate, hard to explain! by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    This is definitely a topic I can comment on. I'm one of the folks in charge of our client-side computing platforms where I work. So far, we've only limited our web browsing by blocking porn and gambling sites. Doing anything more than that is extremely difficult to explain to people. You can hit them over the head with it and tell them "no personal stuff at work" but they won't understand why.

    All the pretty bandwidth piecharts showing MySpace as the #4 or #5 site by traffic volume don't mean a thing to newer, younger workers. They expect the ability to multitask, check 9 things at once, and keep their social networking profiles updated when worktime is slow. If you disallow it on your corporate network, they'll just goof off using their iPhones. Everyone who's graduated from school recently is a member of the "perceived infinite bandwidth" generation, has no idea how much a network connection costs ($49 a month like my DSL, right?) and isn't going to stay very long at a place with strict 1960s-style work rules.

    That being said, there's definitely a dark side. It looks especially bad when your employees are in a public-facing area goofing off on YouTube when there's a line of customers forming in front of them. We're actually working on blocking access to social network from just customer service positions, but even that's a tough fight.

    Especially if you have a lot of people working long hours, you just need to expect that people will get their personal stuff done during business hours. The nature of work is a little different now. You're not sitting for a nonstop 8-hour day processing a stack of papers, especially if you're in IT.

    You can't win. If you block it, you're an evil slave driving old-school organization. If you don't, you either have to buy huge amounts of bandwidth or deal with slow performance of business applications. Even with QoS, sometimes you just can't get good network connections in some places to begin with.

  63. Poor definition of work by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

    Bah. This all comes down to some micromanaging synergist having no clue as to what the meaning of "work" is.

    Teachers get this same crap all the time, too. Not too long ago in Ontario, there was a huge, government-sponsored push to get teachers to "work" more. They went through a teacher's day, and started redefining what they counted as "real work"-- to the point where pretty much anything that wasn't standing by a blackboard and lecturing wasn't "work"

    Fortunately that regime was voted out before they did too much damage, but the sentiment of "teachers spend half their day not working" lingered. Whenever someone brings it up, my fiance (a high school science teacher) fires back with an analogy. I think it's pretty applicable here, too.

    Imagine you're a line worker at an automobile plant. You're paid to do 8 hours of work a day. Your job is to pick up a bunch of parts from a distribution bin, and then move down the line, applying those parts to the cars being built. Once you reach the end of the line and your parts are all used, you walk back to the start of the line to get more. Repeat.

    Now imagine someone follows you around work for a day. At the end of it, they tell you "Well, we noticed that you take 10 minutes picking and sorting the part. Then we noticed that once you are done at the end of the line, it takes you 5 minutes to walk back to the parts bin. That's 15 minutes a round that you are spending NOT WORKING, because your job is to assemble parts. Well, you do 10 of these rounds a day. That's 150 minutes a day you aren't working. As such, we refuse to pay you for those 150 minutes every day.

    I think you can imagine how well that assessment would be received.

    For a teacher, there's a lot more "actual work" than teaching. Even putting aside the HOURS a day a teacher puts in during their own time, there's prep work, binder organization, classroom cleaning, lab setup-- all of which aren't necessarily "teaching", but they're work

    So whenever an article like this comes out that criticizes a profession for not doing enough 'actual work'-- gah. If you have a boss like that, do yourself and your future ulcers a favor and update your resume.

  64. I must have a ridiculously cushy job by vtolturbo · · Score: 1

    When I submit an estimate for a task given by my manager, I take a conservative estimate of how long I think it will actually take and triple it. Then, my manager inevitably doubles or triples that and submits the resulting estimate to the client. Many times, the client says "wow, that's so fast!"

    In almost all cases, I would finish the job in the amount of time I estimated to my manager, but he says something like "the client expects it to happen slower than you can get it done, so take your time." I typically refer to this as institutionalized waste. If I get something done in the time I actually estimated, then I'm usually left waiting for another person from another team to finish their work, so we can integrate our components together. In the end, if the management isn't keenly aware of the differences between the teams' timelines, there's always someone sitting around getting paid to do nothing.

  65. It shouldn't matter by Espressoman · · Score: 1

    This is a fight that cannot be won. There's no way businesses can successfully wage war on personal activity at work. What they can do is clearly define what is expected out of each employee, and have a process to handle situations where employees are not meeting expectations.

  66. 25% of my 'official' 40 hours by HikingStick · · Score: 1

    Sure, 25% of my official 40 hours per week on personal stuff? Easily, during the slow weeks. Not even close during the busy ones. While it may not be the case for every worker in every field, I know that I'm at work many evenings and weekends, performing system updates or making changes when there are no users on the network, while my fellow employees are at home with their families. While they go to lunch, I fix the problems on their PCs. While they sleep, I remain on call 24x7.

    So, yeah, I surf at work, but the job gets done and the customer is happy. I'm doing the job I was hired to do (and more, whenever I can), and I'm keeping myself sane the rest of the time.

    --
    I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
  67. 80% of email BY VOLUME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there is no way it is 80% of their emails

    Don't forget TFA stated 80% of email by volume. That 300KB JPG floating around of Bob's head on Britney's body makes up for a lot of plaintext work emails, esp. when you consider all the joking Reply All's those tend to generate.

    Sure some large work assets get transferred over email, but more often than not (at least in my experience) they're shared via network drives.

  68. No porn? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    What about all the nerd porn and Windows hate on /. ?

  69. How much of it is done on dead / down time while y by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    How much of it is done on dead / down time while you are waiting for someone / the job / the paper work / and so to get back to you. Even the 5 - 10 min at the end of the day where you don't have the time to start the next thing and you are just killing time can add up.

  70. Having it both ways... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember a story... can't remember whether it was /. or some other outlet. The premise of the story was that some employers were being more flexible with time on and off the job. This is just one more aspect of it.
     
        Employers believe they can invade your private time and call you at nearly any hour with a problem (especially in IT). On the flip side they can expect that you will invade their business time with your own personal stuff on the web.

  71. BFD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I spend more than 25% of my personal time on work related activities ;0