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Review of Discovery Institute's Evolution Textbook

Darwinned writes "Intelligent Design is still a hot topic, as evidenced by recent legislation mandating that it be taught in school. Pro-ID group Discovery Institute has released an evolution textbook for use in schools, but a review shows it to be chock full of bad science and questionable reasoning. 'The book doesn't only promote stupidity, it demands it. In every way except its use of the actual term, this is a creationist book, but its authors are expecting that legislators and the courts will be too stupid to notice that, or to remember that the Supreme Court has declared teaching creationism an unconstitutional imposition of religion.'"

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  1. Table Of Contents by darth_MALL · · Score: 5, Funny

    1 - In The Beginning...

    2 - The Great Flood (Where are all the Unicorns?)

    3 - Jesus, Dinosaur Wrangler

    4 - Darwin, What a Jerk.

    5 - The Scientific Method - Hooey or Baloney?

  2. revenge on the nerds by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the US, its not fashionable to know math or science. It's not fashionable to work hard. 'Being liked' is in. Girls are encouraged to look pretty and boys are encouraged to be force wielding leaders (to later wind up as PHB's?).

    Look at kids' movies and TV shows. The message is that all you have to do is believe in yourself. Nothing else. God forbid we ask these delicate flowers to do more than the minimum.

    Prosperity is being taken as a birthright. I half wonder if the outcry against illegal aliens is due to the fact that these people work hard. The complainers may one day be expected to. Can't have that!

  3. Re:SCOTUS reference anybody? by jandrese · · Score: 5, Informative

    The grandparent was probably referring to Edwards v. Aguillard.

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  4. Science...It Works.... by RiffRafff · · Score: 5, Funny

    I saw a t-shirt the other day that said:

    SCIENCE
    It Works, Bitches!

    I thought it was funny...

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  5. Re:Intelligent Design, Stupid Tactics by Torontoman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ID is about as legit as Scientology.

  6. Epicurus said it best by thermian · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Riddle of Epicurus
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
    Then He is not omnipotent.

    If He is able, but not willing
    Then He is malevolent.

    If He is both able and willing
    Then whence cometh evil?

    If He is neither able nor willing
    Then why call Him God?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Back on topic, the Discovery institute is dedicated solely to enriching its members, any other claim is nonsense.

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  7. Re:2 - The Great Flood (Where are all the Unicorns by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ah, but the beauty of YEC is that it really can't be disproven. Any time you have evidence that the Earth is older, all they need to say is that God created it to look older.

    This is fundamentally why YEC should not be taught in a science classroom. It is not disprovable and thus not science.

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  8. Re:So let them. by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I'm a decade or two older, the young people who will be affected by these decisions today will just be entering the workforce, bringing their bright new ideas into focus, and beginning to drive the next round of scientific and technological advances.

    I do not want these people to believe that one of the most successful, important, and useful scientific theories in history is a lie. I do not want these people to believe that "God did it" is any kind of reasonable scientific answer. I don't want the doctors and medical researchers who determine the length and quality of my old age to be spouting off about "irreducible complexity" and other such nonsense.

    You're wrong about losing the battle. Here we are conversing on a globe-spanning information network using unimaginably powerful computing machines. We've always won, and we'll keep on winning, because in the end we're right and they're wrong. But it won't be thanks to people like you.

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  9. Re:2 - The Great Flood (Where are all the Unicorns by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Funny

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    Fuck y'all.

    Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

  10. Re:Yeah by JetJaguar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can imply that there is bias all you want, but there is one very big difference between the two. The biologist has studied biology, the scientific process involved in researching the subject and is able to make an evidenced based critique of an ID argument.

    Rebuttals from the ID camp contain no such expertise or references, and are usually based on long refuted arguments against evolution, but little or nothing that truly supports ID.

    This isn't a case where he-said she-said attempts to discredit both sides will work. One side clearly has evidence on their side, and the other does not.

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  11. Re:2 - The Great Flood (Where are all the Unicorns by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since you seem like a friendly fellow I'll save you a little money. Every issue of the newsletter just contains the same two words, in large type on the front page, and nothing else.

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  12. Re:Evolution textbook!? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are functional (but nevertheless, crazy as a shithouse rat) religious zealots

    I think it's worth pointing out - particularly to people in the US - that the Muslim countries of the Middle East led the world in science and technology, once. Why do you think so many stars have Arabic names? Why do so many words in science have Arabic roots? Think carefully...

    Now think about what happened when they let the conservative religious crazies take control.

    Just sayin'

  13. Re:Evolution textbook!? by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The fall of the Islamic intellectual tradition wasn't entirely born of their own fundamentalism. It followed the sack of Baghdad by the Mongol horde. The centre of a civilisation stretching from India to Spain, full of the intellectual riches and history of all Eurasia, all burned. The loss of the Library at Alexandria was bad. This was worse.

    There followed a long decline. Wars, on and off, with the crusaders of Europe raiding into the Middle East. Various rulers of Arabic and Persian and Turkish dynasties competing for domination of the Islamic world. A gradual eclipse as the nations of Europe set about building their empires. And finally irrelevance, a culture respected only insofar as it provides crude oil to its betters. Small wonder that a civilisation brought so low from such a glorious past turns to its god for answers, and finds dark counsels.

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  14. Re:Evolution textbook!? by blahplusplus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Therefore, the seeker after the truth is not one who studies the writings of the ancients and, following his natural disposition, puts his trust in them, but rather the one who suspects his faith in them and questions what he gathers from them, the one who submits to argument and demonstration, and not to the sayings of a human being whose nature is fraught with all kinds of imperfection and deficiency. Thus the duty of the man who investigates the writings of scientists, if learning the truth is his goal, is to make himself an enemy of all that he reads, and, applying his mind to the core and margins of its content, attack it from every side. He should also suspect himself as he performs his critical examination of it, so that he may avoid falling into either prejudice or leniency."--Ibn al-Haytham

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_al-haytham

    This is what too few human beings do, they always trust in what they have been taught... when much of what they know is fraught with error. I am weary of anything I say as well as anything any other man says, that cannot be demonstrated. Therefore, I only defend what can be demonstrated.

    The majority of people do not take the above view, they are overconfident in what they think they know when they hardly know anything at all.

  15. Re:SCOTUS reference anybody? by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Atheism is a religion.

    Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

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