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Steve Fossett's Unfinished Project

MazzThePianoman writes "Steve Fossett left behind a secret vessel project called the Deep Flight Challenger. Fossett was funding the development of a winged submersible being designed by Hawkes Ocean Technologies in California. The intent was for the vehicle to be capable of travel to the very bottom of the ocean — the Mariana Trench, more than 11,000 meters beneath the surface. 'It would have dramatically, dramatically opened the oceans for exploration. It would have been a game changer,' said Graham Hawkes, the designer. Testing had been completed at Department of Defense facilities. Field testing was only four weeks away when Fossett's untimely death, a year ago, put the project on hold." Hawkes Ocean Technologies owns the design, but the vehicle itself is owned by Fossett's estate.

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  1. And the story continues! by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Take Fossett off the grid immediately," he ordered. "We need to wrap this up with a minimum of red tape." The response was quick. Within a week, Fossett's "corpse" was found in the Nevada Desert, the naked visitors from Titan had their submarine, and the President had yet another embarrassing affair off his plate.
    It was still Fossett's move, however. Much as he enjoyed false identities, Brazilian women, and homes built from Cold War nuclear bunkers, the time was right to begin his next project.
    It would begin with a small dog, two pairs of socks, and a rolled-up copy of People magazine.

    1. Re:And the story continues! by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Dude, if anybody mods me interesting, ALL the blame is going in your lap.

    2. Re:And the story continues! by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's hard to know what to think about Fossett.

      I mean, the dude flew around the world in a balloon. Flew around the world again, nonstop, solo, in an aircraft. Set all kinds of records in sailboats and sailplanes. He was building a submarine to "fly" to the deepest point on earth, but meanwhile he killed himself while scouting for a location to run his 800 mph rocket car and break the land speed record.

      My first thought was, "man, this guy has a freakin' deathwish, or else he's a goddamn idiot. It's amazing that someone with so little sense of self-preservation lived this long." Doesn't the guy know that there are old pilots, and bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots?

      But after thinking about it for a while... he probably did know that. He was flying long enough that he must have come to understand that if he kept it up the way he did, he wasn't going to die in his bed. Any one of his record-setting endeavors could have resulted in his death. But he must have decided that he'd rather live a brief life on his own terms, than a long, safe, boring life. After reading his Wikipedia entry, it's no surprise that he didn't die in an assisted living facility, but I think he'd probably be OK with the way he went out. Vicious downdrafts smashed his plane into bite-sized pieces against a granite escarpment of the Sierra Nevada mountains, while he was scouting a location to break the land speed record in a jet car, and he wasn't found for a year... the man had a hell of an interesting life, and one hell of a death, and packed more living into 63 years than most people could pack into 100. He did things on his terms, took chances, pushed things, and went out doing so. Personally, I'll play things a bit safer, but I do respect the guy's choices.

  2. What's that pressure again? by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The pressure is about 20,000 pounds per square inch, approximately 15,000 times the atmospheric pressure," Hawkes said.

    I hope Mr. Hawkes was a bit more careful with the math in his design than the math in that statement.

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    1. Re:What's that pressure again? by Nutria · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or the reporter misquoted him...

      1 Atmosphere = 14.7 psi.
      Pressure increases 1A every 33 feet
      36,000 / 33 = 1091 Atmospheres.
      1091 * 14.7 = 16038 psi

      16,000 ~= 15000

      http://www.onr.navy.mil/Focus/ocean/water/pressure1.htm

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    2. Re:What's that pressure again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      you americans and your funny buggers math... every 10M of water adds 1 atmosphere of pressure. 10m = 2 atm, 20m = 3atm, 11000m = ~1101atm. why would you opt to use such "lovely round numbers" as 32 and 14.7, when you can use metric. IT'S SUPERIOR, BITCHES!

    3. Re:What's that pressure again? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Informative

      I call bullshit. The metric unit for pressure isn't the atmosphere. It's the Pascal, aka N/m^2. Atmospheric pressure is 101325 Pa, or alternatively 1 Pa = 9.8692×106 atm. Very convenient? NOT PARTICULARLY.

      SI is useful in calculations because it is self-consistent. You don't have weird factors like 32.2 lb-f/lb-m in calculations. But natural values like the atmospheric pressure at sea level are NOT metric values and are at exactly as difficult to work with in both systems.

    4. Re:What's that pressure again? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yar. I can count to 21 if I pull down my pants.

      Seriously, base 12 is very practical because it has more factors than 10. 2,3,4, and 6 vs 2 and 5. We really should be using a base 12 decimal system rather base 10.

      The Sumerians used a base 60 system which can be represented using two hands while counting. On your left hand there are three parts on each of four fingers (excluding the thumb). The parts are divided from each other by the joints in the fingers. Now one can count up to 60 by pointing at one of the twelve parts of the fingers of the left hand with one of the five fingers of the right hand.

      This is the root of our 60 seconds per minute / 60 seconds per hour.

    5. Re:What's that pressure again? by Teun · · Score: 5, Informative
      I'm afraid you're mixing up two Decimal systems, the older Metric and the newer SI system.

      Bar, Kg/cm2 and Atmosphere are certainly valid expressions for pressure in the Metric systems.
      Another Decimal system is the SI and it prefers the use of Pascal for pressure.

      A more complete explanation can be found here:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI

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  3. The Delta Flier by jflo · · Score: 3, Funny

    If Star Trek Voyager has taught us anything, when you need to go deep into the ocean, just send the bad boy Tom Paris with trusty sidkick Ensin Kim in the Delta Flier. Thats more than enough to get hte job done. The only downside is that Lt Paris may make everyone listen to some drawn out letter hes writing to his father.... and quite frankly, its too dramatic for my tastes.

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    1. Re:The Delta Flier by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Star Trek Voyager has taught us anything, when you need to go deep into the ocean, just send the bad boy Tom Paris with trusty sidkick Ensin Kim in the Delta Flier. Thats more than enough to get hte job done. The only downside is that Lt Paris may make everyone listen to some drawn out letter hes writing to his father.... and quite frankly, its too dramatic for my tastes.
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      Man... you really buried the needle on my virgin meter with that one.

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    2. Re:The Delta Flier by jo7hs2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      If Star Trek Voyager has taught us anything, when you need to go deep into the ocean, just send the bad boy Tom Paris with trusty sidkick Ensin Kim in the Delta Flier. Thats more than enough to get hte job done. The only downside is that Lt Paris may make everyone listen to some drawn out letter hes writing to his father.... and quite frankly, its too dramatic for my tastes.

      -- WWPD - What Would Picard Do?

      Man... you really buried the needle on my virgin meter with that one.

      Well, at least the needle isn't a virgin anymore.

  4. Eulogy for Deep Space "Challenger" by sssmashy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of land, And danced the seas on laughter-silvered fins;

    Deepward I've fallen, and joined the tumbling mirth

    Of sun-absent fathoms...and done a hundred things

    You have not dreamed of...propelled and plummet and swung

    Deep in the sunless silence. Hov'ring there, I've chased the shouting currents along, and flung

    My eager craft through footless halls of water.

    Down, Down, the long, delirious burning blue I've bottomed the current swept depths with easy grace

    Where never jellyfish, nor even tubeworm grew.

    And while with silent, buoyant mind I've trod

    The low untrespassed sanctity of the abyss...

    ...put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

  5. Re:Color me skeptical... - or a luddite by jfb2252 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In deep water submersibles the occupied portion is a sphere to best resist pressure. The rest of the craft is filled with water at ambient pressure. The drawing in the article shows this one to follow that pattern. Your first comment is refuted.

    The Trieste was a tethered bathyscape. It went down on a cable and back up again. No ability to survey an area. I'd like to survey deep trenches as possible nuclear waste sites. Put the stuff in wedge shapped containers and drop it into deep muck at the bottom of such trenches. If it's 20m down in muck under 7-11 km of water it's going to be easier to produce new nuclear material than to retrieve

    An untethered deep submersible with ability to survey an area could find many useful things on the sea floor. Like how to harvest methane:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/exclusive-the-methane-time-bomb-938932.html

    The land area of the Earth has been the subject of intense exploration for millenia yet we're still learning about it. Satellites, a 50 year old vehicle for exploration, have helped immensely. Why do you think a new undersea vehicle will not have a similar effect on ocean exploration?