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Birth of a New African Ocean

Khemisty writes "Formation of an ocean is a rare event, one no scientist has ever witnessed. Yet this geophysical nativity is unfolding today in one of the hottest and most inhospitable corners of the globe. Africa is splitting apart at the seams. From the southern tip of the Red Sea southward through Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, and Mozambique, the continent is coming unstitched along a zone called the East African Rift." This stretching of the earth's crust has been going on for 20 million years, and within another 10 million the Red Sea will have broken through to create a new sea.

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  1. Red Sea tag suggestion: by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Funny

    blamemoses.

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    1. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by idiotnot · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, it's global warming's fault.

    2. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      blamemoses.

      Very true. How could this have been forming over the last 20,000,000 years when the earth is only 6,000 years old?

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    3. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey now, this is still Slashdot. It's Microsoft's fault.

    4. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope you're being sarcastic...The earth is accepted by scientists to be 4.5 billion years old.

    5. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Some Christians.

    6. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      But it's accepted by Christians to be like 6000 years old.

      And`I agree, it must be at least 6,000 years old.

    7. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You still have it wrong. According to Twitter, it is M$'s fault. *me ducks* ;)

    8. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by cp.tar · · Score: 3, Funny

      But it's accepted by Christians to be like 6000 years old. Seriously. They think that dinosaurs and humans coexisted.

      Of course they coexisted. Haven't you ever seen The Flintstones?

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    9. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Informative

      Christians believing in 6000yr old earth by a landslide. Though they are also likely to believe in astrology. As for athiests that believe in astrology thats around 12% compared to the 28% average. On the other hand only slightly over half of people believe research into science is benefitial, slightly under half believe evolution should not be taught in schools 70% want creationism taught hell 46% of people don't know how long the earth takes to rotate the sun, 60% of people believe in psychics. Christians are definitely WORSE than atheists but both sides are whole-heartedly ignorant when it comes to science and reality. Also on a random side note republicans do 10~15% worse on almost every question studies by nsf asked. And girls did more poorly than guys on everything but medicine/biology.

    10. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Informative

      But it's accepted by Christians to be like 6000 years old

      Well, no. An Anglican Archbishop calculated that as the age of the Earth back in the 1600's. Back when calculating such things was considered scholarship.

      First, most Christians are NOT Anglicans, and could give a rat's hind leg what a 400 year old Anglican Archbishop said about anything.

      Second, these days, Anglicans don't believe him either. He's ancient history, and his ideas are considered, by most Christians, to be quaint.

      Thirdly, of the few Christians who believe him, most don't know he's an Anglican Archbishop, so they don't know to pooh-pooh him for that reason.

      And finally, there are some sects of Christianity who espouse the Young Earth opinion. I've never talked to a member of one of those sects who actually believed it, though no doubt some few did.

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    11. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Idiomatick · · Score: 3, Informative

      Info came from "Science & Engineering Indicators" sudy conducted yearly by the national science foundation AS SAID IN MY POST. Some came from Gallup & People for the AWF (American Way Foundation). Feel free to explore either study i encourage it. I rounded a couple figures by 2% i think the psychic figure was actually 58%.

    12. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Idiomatick · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the article you just linked:
      ""U.S. Religious Landscape Survey" that was issued in June, 21% of self-proclaimed atheists believe in either a personal God or an impersonal force. Ten percent of atheists pray at least weekly and 12% believe in heaven."

      This alone shows that the study is screwed up. From my dictionary "Atheist - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods." Yet the study says 21% of atheists believe in God. That study is total bullshit.
      Furthermore, Baylor University is a Baptist liberal arts school showing its bias from the start. So speaking in tongues isn't occult neither are magical men in the sky. Really by definition ALL christians believe in ghosts. Ever heard of the holy spirit? Go to their site they had the actually questions they used for the study. It is such a dishonest study its gross. Demons, satan, talking to god, heaven and hell aren't considered to be faults in logic while believing in traditional medicine is. Come on now... Of course atheists are more likely to have ouija boards than staunch christians, it is 'a tool of the devil' they could not have one in their home. And i doubt most people take it seriously they are just toys not magic. They tagged 'having read a book about nostradamus' as belief in the occult. Of course atheists will have a higher number, we READ more.

    13. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Poltras · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As the disconnected logic of believing that if something hasn't been proven, it doesn't exist? People believe because they have to, and they have the right to believe what they want.

    14. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by aqk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wel, of course every sensible person acknowledges that the "6000 yr old" Earth is a tad outdated.
      Why, this scientific estimate was made almost 400 YEARS AGO!
      Bishop Usher, for all his great knowledge, did not have our modern scientific tools for such precise measurements.
      Today's scientists now have revised this estimate, and consider the Earth to have been actually created in 7730BC.
      And on January 23rd. (And alas, it was a Thursday, we believe - Pope Gregory corrupted the days of the week).

      So called "evolutionists" are ALWAYS quoting this "6000 year old" red herring, hoping to discredit our creationist science. But it will not work!

      Darwin, Hawkins et al will burn in Hell! (perhaps Darwin is already there, now that Limbo has been abolished - good riddance!)

      Please- Try to use this new revised figure - 7730 BC.
      You may use "BCC" or "BCE" - we shall tolerate it.
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    15. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by dogdick · · Score: 2, Funny

      before it tanks?

    16. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by aqk · · Score: 2, Funny

      OMG!
      Does this mean that I will die at an early age??
      .. I suspect (thank goodness) that I may already have beaten the odds!

      Note to self: Watch health carefully!
      .

    17. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by AlecC · · Score: 2, Informative

      James Ussher, Archbishop of Armagh, published it in 1650, which is post-Medieval.

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    18. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I realise that I can be a little inconsistent sometimes. I should be thoroughly ashamed of myself.

    19. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Samurai+Tony · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...alas, it was a Thursday...

      I never could get the hang of Thursdays

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    20. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Dog-Cow · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Bible never gives an age for the Earth/Universe. Got to love the disconnected logic that allows a person to make things up at random and yet allows themselves to feel smugly superior to other people they claim are making things up.

    21. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by The_Wilschon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Baylor University is in fact not a liberal arts school, but a full fledged university, with thriving programs in the hard sciences, engineering, business, etc. Furthermore, Baylor as a university is strongly committed to academic honesty (although perhaps Rodney Stark is not, based on your critique of the survey questions. I don't feel qualified to pass judgement on sociological survey questions, primarily because I think that all or nearly all sociology is complete BS.). I don't claim that perfect academic honesty has been achieved across the entire university yet, nor do I claim that there is such a thing as academic honesty in sociology, nor do I claim that any other university has achieved perfect academic honesty. There's always politics, and at this point, "Christian" interference with academic honesty at Baylor has become, in most cases, a matter of politics. I put Christian in scare quotes because, like most of the Baylor faculty, I believe honesty, including academic honesty, to be a vital Christian virtue.

      Disclaimer: Baylor undergraduate class of 2007, Physics

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    22. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by ryanguill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you would like to point me to which part of my "sacred text" describes the earth as being 6000 years old I would be happy to agree with you, but just because some Christians believe that the Bible points to the earth being 6000 years old, and I believe incorrectly, does not mean that we should all be painted with the same brush.

    23. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by OwnedByTwoCats · · Score: 2, Informative

      Six days of creation. Then the generations from Adam to Moses, all spelled out. This spells it out. I don't believe it. But it's literally in the bible.

    24. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by khallow · · Score: 2, Informative

      Christians believing in 6000yr old earth by a landslide.

      And how many Christians believe in a 6000 year old Earth? It's a far lower number than the number of Christians.

    25. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by Tweenk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From my dictionary "Atheist - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods." Yet the study says 21% of atheists believe in God. That study is total bullshit.

      I believe the criterion for saying who is an atheist is the same as for saying who is a Christian. You just ask people who they consider themselves to be. If that's so, there can be atheists that believe in God, e.g. if they are misinformed what "atheism" means. There's also some percentage of people who believe in God but are opposed to the churches of Christianity based on their practices and history, and those could also describe themselves as atheists.

      Really by definition ALL christians believe in ghosts. Ever heard of the holy spirit?

      Holy spirit = the force of God. Ghosts = souls of dead people that haunt the living. That's not exactly the same.

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    26. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by operagost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really by definition ALL christians believe in ghosts. Ever heard of the holy spirit?

      Yes, and he isn't a "ghost" because he was never human.

      Of course atheists will have a higher number, we READ more.

      That is ad hominem garbage.

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    27. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by I'm+not+really+here · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But if you look more closely at the original language, much of the book of Genesis is actually about a restoration of the earth after a cataclysmic flood that wiped out everything (often termed the Adamic flood by those that subscribe to this theory), followed by God restoring everything and then creating Adam and Eve.

      The pre-adamic theory of creation is that we are descendants of this second humanity, and that previously there were other "people" (which matches fossil records of cro-magnum man, or whatever they are calling them now-a-days).

      So, back to the original point - 6 days of God "letting" there be stuff (the word can be translated as "allow X to be its original form and purpose" or something similar, so "Let there be light" can also be translated as "Allow light to return to its original state" or similar.) This means that the earth existed for at least 6-7000 years, plus whatever is needed for all of the "nations of men" who existed prior (read the book of Dan, specifically about the King of Tyre) plus however long it would take for water covering the earth to kill everything.

      Not all Christians are unable to believe that the earth is billions of years old and yet still believe in a literal interpretation of Scripture.

      Please put the assumptions back on the shelf and remember that as in all things in this world, nothing is as simple as it appears - Except maybe 1+1=2 :-)

      Oh, and I think it is pretty sweet to see an ocean forming. I've always found the idea of Pangea a really interesting concept, and likely to be true with the slow motions of the earth's crust. I hope someday (assuming I am right and heaven is real) to see this new ocean, and hope to see many of you there with me to marvel at the continued creation of our God.

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    28. Re:Red Sea tag suggestion: by et764 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From my dictionary "Atheist - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods." Yet the study says 21% of atheists believe in God.

      The conclusion I got from this is that 21% of atheists have absolutely no idea what atheism means, but they just call themselves atheists because they think it's cool. I'm pretty sure even on Slashdot I've read self-proclaimed atheists say they're open to the possibility of there being a god, they just don't know of any evidence for said god's existence. Anyway, not having any idea what your religion or lack thereof is really about seems to be a pretty common trait in America these days.

  2. Wish I'd be around to see it by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bet there would be one very impressive waterfall when the Red Sea finally breaks through.

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    1. Re:Wish I'd be around to see it by chill · · Score: 4, Funny

      Blasphemer! How dare you reduce the Second Great Flood to a mere "waterfall"!

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  3. You know what this means, of course by Provocateur · · Score: 5, Funny

    That 10 million years from now, the split will be complete. Slashdot will report this, and one /.er will complain, "It's a dupe! This story appeared 10 million years ago! What's up with the cyborg editors?"

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    1. Re:You know what this means, of course by ccguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      That 10 million years from now, the split will be complete.

      I've started moving 50 Gb worth of small files from a Windows box to a Linux box using Samba's default configuration + Windows explorer.

      I figure we can use my progress bar as a reasonable approximation.

  4. This thread is useless... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... without relief maps.

    I don't want to read some art's grads long winded verbose description of something that can be shown to me in 2 diagrams.

    1. Re:This thread is useless... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't want to read some art's grads long winded verbose description...

      as opposed to a long winded terse description?

  5. Someone will blame this on... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Before long, someone will blame this on GlobalWarming.

    Mention of this split WILL show up in someone's eco-speech.

    1. Re:Someone will blame this on... by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      Before long, someone will blame this on GlobalWarming.

      Mention of this split WILL show up in someone's eco-speech.

      And ideally they will get publicly called out on their idiocy

      Here's another article on the Afar region
      http://www.nj.com/south/index.ssf/2008/10/post.html
      (they cite this article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4512244.stm )

      An 8-meter wide, 60-kilometer long rift (...) developed in the Afar desert region of north-eastern Africa in just 3 weeks. An earthquake on the 14th of September is said to have sparked the growing tear in the African desert, followed up by moderate tremors and then, finally, a volcanic eruption.

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    2. Re:Someone will blame this on... by WamBam · · Score: 5, Funny

      I blame gay marriages, higher taxes and Obama Bin Laden. Sarah Palin will go maverick and fix this for us.

    3. Re:Someone will blame this on... by Detritus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe it's because the average environmental activist is an idiot. Then again, the average human being is an idiot. For too many people, environmentalism is the new religion, filling the hole left by the decline of traditional religions.

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  6. Africa Become Flooded? by AndGodSed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well there goes property values...

    1. Re:Africa Become Flooded? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please don't feed the trolls.

  7. doesn't seem that uncommon by khallow · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's another ocean forming in the Gulf of California. It's the same story with a rift underneath. The rift actually runs up to Albuquerque in New Mexico.

    1. Re:doesn't seem that uncommon by Herkum01 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Finally I am going to have beachfront property! (I live in Tucson, AZ BTW).

  8. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  9. What's up with the cyborg editors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Still waiting for Linux to win the desktop.

    1. Re:What's up with the cyborg editors? by cailith1970 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Duke Nukem Forever apparently will be in beta.

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  10. Re:May it be a sign of the Flying Spaghetti Monste by pjt33 · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are already a few pirates in the vicinity.

  11. Stop feeding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Africa is splitting apart at the seams.

    Do you really need to give the trolls encouragement to post yet another Goatse link?

  12. Plate tectonics? by SupplyMission · · Score: 3, Informative

    Haha, this is news to Slashdot?

    The African Rift Valley has been taught to first year geology students since plate tectonics were discovered decades ago.

  13. No one? by Minstrel+Boy · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Formation of an ocean is a rare event, one no scientist has ever witnessed. Yet this geophysical nativity is unfolding today in one of the hottest and most inhospitable corners of the globe. Africa is splitting apart at the seams. From the southern tip of the Red Sea southward through Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Tanzania, and Mozambique, the continent is coming unstitched along a zone called the East African Rift." This stretching of the earth's crust has been going on for 20 million years, and within another 10 million the Red Sea will have broken through to create a new sea.

    So actually *every scientist* has witnessed this event...
    KeS

  14. Some Google Maps highlights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's in this part of eastern Africa, adjacent to the junction of the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden in Ethiopia and Eritrea, and is known as the Afar Depression. All this black stuff is Erte Ale, a volcano that is almost continuously erupting. You can see the fresh black lava flows that historically oozed down the sides, and if you zoom in, you can see the red glow of the lava lake. The salt pan areas mentioned in the article are to the north (Danakil Depression), and are well below sea level (the Wikipedia page on the former settlement of Dallol notes that Dallol is 50m above sea level, but that's the settlement site, not the lake/salt pan, which is lower). There are vast areas of stretched and faulted crust to the southeast (the cliffs are the fault scarps), and Lake Assal, another salt lake 153 metres below sea level.

    This area is more impressive if you fly over it in Google Earth rather than Google Maps. Practically every cone-shaped peak you see in this area is a volcano that has been recently or not so recently active, and to the south you can clearly see the flanks of the East African Rift and the series of lakes that occupy the rift valley as far south as Kenya, Tanzania and Mozambique, interspersed with volcanoes all along the way. This is an awesome part of the world for geology.

  15. afar rift home page by jefu · · Score: 4, Informative

    For more information, you can try the Afar Rift Home Page for the Afar Rift Project.

  16. Didn't I learn this 20 years ago by dayton967 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This isn't news, unless you state it has created a new ocean today. Which if it has, we better put our heads between our legs and kiss our butts goodbye.

  17. Afar by Lalo+Martins · · Score: 3, Funny

    So that's what they mean when they say "travellers from Afar". I always suspected that was somewhere in Africa.

  18. Re:Sun comes up! by xstonedogx · · Score: 2, Funny

    The sun came up this morning? Damn it. Mother never tells me anything.

  19. Waiting!? by sultanoslack · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bah. 10002008 is the year of the Linux desktop!