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Spacecraft Buzzes By Mercury

Riding with Robots writes "The robotic spacecraft MESSENGER is making its second fly-by of the first planet today, skimming just 200 kilometers above the surface. The fly-by will reveal portions of the planet that have never been seen before, but the main purpose of the maneuver is to prepare for an orbital insertion in 2011. The mission site offers extensive information, along with the first pictures that are already arriving on Earth, with many more expected in the coming hours and days."

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  1. The coldest place by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Larry Niven's first published short story was titled "The Coldest Place" (collected in 3 Books of Known Space ), based on the idea that the regions of Mercury not hit by the sun would be the coldest place in the solar system. The story was infamous out of date by the time it hit print, as some studies of Mercury had shown that it never got that cold. Nonetheless, reading the story as a child awoke a certain interest of that planet which never gets as much attention as the sexier Mars or Venus or the gas giants. I look forward to following this mission.

    1. Re:The coldest place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Some areas in the polar regions of Mercury (deep crater floors) may be permanently shadowed and hence very cold. Similarly to some areas on the Moon poles. This is due to the very low obliquity of the planet. This was discovered by radar studies done from Arecibo, which had anomalously high signal return in some restricted polar regions. This will answered most definitely by MESSENGER itself when it gets into orbit in a few years.

    2. Re:The coldest place by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure there will be some conduction, but rock doesn't conduct heat terribly well. So while I'd expect Mercury's polar craters to be warmer than the Moon's polar craters, I would expect them to still be really cold. (Not necessarily the coldest place in the solar system, though. In fact, you can guess that it may be a polar region of a Jovian moon since Jupiter's obliquity is only 3 degrees. Or a Neptunian moon; tilt is a lot higher, but 1/r^2 comes in big time there as does the high albedo of the bodies.)

      L2 wouldn't necessarily be that cold for Mercury, by the way. The planet is still a warm surface radiating toward L2.

    3. Re:The coldest place by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mercury doesn't get as much interest as Venus because it is very, very hard to get to and has an extremely hostile orbital environment once you get there. Venus gets less attention than Mars because it very hard to get there, has a hostile orbital environment and very difficult to learn anything once you do because of the cloud cover.
       
      Mars, by comparison, is merely hard to get to, has a relatively benign orbital environment, and has a transparent atmosphere.

  2. Re:Buzzed by my anus by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are you prepared for insertion?

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  3. Re:Buzzed by my anus by RemoWilliams84 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Typical slashdotters long dream of insertion, but are never actually ready.

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  4. Orbital Insertion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    ... but the main purpose of the maneuver is to prepare for an orbital insertion in 2011

    I thought this kinda thing wasn't happening when I read the No Space Porn article?

  5. Re:Oblig. by Kvasio · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oddly enough, fat bottomed girls are nowhere to be found.

    they are, but hidden behind event horizon

  6. Misleading Headline by sunami88 · · Score: 2

    Anybody read the headline and get really excited for a second? Must be because I'm reading through Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (again).

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  7. Re:corepirate nazis looking for a place to hide by yahwotqa · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least be thorough - you forgot to mention the chips in our heads.

  8. Question on why so long a time to establish orbit? by blahbooboo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could someone please explain why according to the web site the orbit insertion is going to take another pass and another 3 years. Does it really take that long to slow the spacecraft down?

  9. Re:Buzzed by my anus by snspdaarf · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought Virgin Galactic said "No" to space porn.

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  10. Re:Question on why so long a time to establish orb by mbone · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because it is energetically tough to get to Mercury they are trying to get into with as little fuel expenditure as possible, to send as much payload as possible. Since there is no atmosphere, aerobraking is not possible, and thus they are using gravity assists to help reduce the orbital insertion delta-v to a manageable number. Each flyby speeds up the spacecraft a little, to better match Mercury's orbital velocity, and they decided on 3 of these to get the performance they wanted. There is a synodic period (the orbital beat period) between each such opportunity, so it takes a while to complete three flyby gravity assists.

    The mission FAQ has more information on this.

  11. Re:Question on why so long a time to establish orb by mbone · · Score: 3, Informative

    sorry - "speeds up" should be "slows down," above.

  12. Re:Buzzed by my anus by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's because they didn't want to have to rename the company to "Whores Galactic".

  13. Re:delta-v by Migraineman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Moving around in space is all about changing your velocity. There are a number of ways to effect that change - gravitational slingshot, aerobraking, big sails, thrusters ... Each has advantages and disadvantages. For example, direct thrust may provide the most direct path to your objective, but the fuel requirement may be impractical. The mission designers have chosen a method of getting MESSENGER (about 1000kg of payload) to it's objective with enough fuel on-board to perform it's mission. Many variables have been considered - launch vehicle requirements, time to arrival, duration of mission, required consumables, etc. It's a horribly complex optimization.

    The most efficient time/location to make orbital adjustments is apogee or perigee. If you enter into a highly eliptical orbit and wish to circularize at a much lower altitude using only a fractional-Newton thruster, yeah, it'll take a while. MESSENGER has a 650N main thruster, but only about 600kg of propellant. That equates to "not a lot" of thruster time. The main engine has a Specific Impulse (Isp) of 318 seconds. On Earth, you'd get about 318 seconds (5+ minutes) of operation. That gravitational element doesn't really apply out in space, so the available thrust-time will be longer. The NASA PDF indicates that the final orbital insertion burn will consume 30% of the propellant, and will last about 14 minutes. Extrapolating, that indicates that MESSENGER has about 42 minutes of propellant on board.

    There's also a nice explanation of the orbital maneuvers on the JHUAPL website, and also a nice PDF showing the orbital insertion cost plots.

  14. MESSENGER used solar sailing by rotenberry · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Note that MESSENGER used solar sailing to correct its trajectory for this flyby:

    http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/00001674/

  15. we should be doing more of this by jagdish · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is what we should be doing, instead of quibbling over small things like creationism and Paris Hilton. We should launch several satellites orbiting each planet and few satellites for some of the more interesting moons(Europa, io etc)

    1. Re:we should be doing more of this by tnk1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      AFAIK, neither creationism nor Paris Hilton has had any appreciable effect on Space exploration.

      In any event, most Intelligent Design folks don't deny the usefulness of space science, they just believe that someone started created the Universe. The position that God (or some imaginary man with a long white beard) created the universe does not preclude one from exploring said created universe.

      The actual cause is that too few people are interested in a project which will only become economically significant on a very long timescale. That opinion can be held by "progressives" as much as by "conservatives". This tends to be voiced as:

      "We could (feed|clothe|educate|liberate) X millions of starving [insert nationality/economic class/themselves] with that money".

  16. We need to be solving practical problems. by mbstone · · Score: 4, Funny

    When they eventually build a hotel on Mercury, I want an ice machine that works and doesn't keep running out of ice. So how big would such an ice machine have to be on Mercury? Would they have to charge $3 for a soda? I hate those tacky signs that say "No Filling Ice Chests."

  17. Re:delta-v by p3d0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The main engine has a Specific Impulse (Isp) of 318 seconds. [spaceref.com] On Earth, you'd get about 318 seconds (5+ minutes) of operation.

    No. Specific impulse, despite being measured in seconds, has nothing to do with how long the rocket can fire. That obviously depends on how much propellant you carry.

    Take another look at that Wikipedia article you linked on specific impulse.

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  18. Re:delta-v by Migraineman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Crap ... typing too fast ... not enough sleep ...

    Fthrust = Isp * (mass flow rate) * (gravity on Earth), which allows us to solve for the mass flow rate:
    650N = 318s * MFR * 9.8m/s^2
    MFR = 0.209 kg/s

    With 600kg of propellant on board, you'd be able to fire the engine for 600kg / 0.209kg/s = 2871 seconds on the Earth's surface ... a little over 47 minutes. At least that's consistent with the other derived number. Sorry about that, Chief.