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Virtual Fence Could Modernize the Old West

Hugh Pickens writes "For more than a century, ranchers in the West have kept cattle in place with fences of barbed wire, split wood and, more recently, electrified wires. Now, animal science researchers with the Department of Agriculture are working on a system that will allow cowboys to herd their cattle remotely via radio by singing commands and whispering into their ears and tracking movements by satellite and computer. A video of Dean Anderson, a researcher at the USDA's Jornada Experimental Range at Las Cruces, NM., shows how he has built radios that attach to an animal's head that allow a person at the other end to issue a range of commands — gentle singing, sharp commands, or a buzz like a bee or snake — to get the cattle to move where one wants them to. Anderson says it would cost $900 today to put a radio device on one head of cattle, but he says costs will fall and the entire herd wouldn't have to be outfitted, just the 'leaders.' Much of the research has focused on how cattlemen can identify which cattle in their herds are the ones that the others follow."

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  1. This sounds laughably impractical by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to work with cattle on my uncle's farm when I was a kid. They are dumb animals. They do dumb things. Anytime you try to move them, they do all kinds of stupid shit. I've seen them get "trapped" in fencing, in ditches, even in bushes and trees. So, here we have a system, which costs $900 for every cow it's put on (and that "just put it on the leaders" line sounds like wishful thinking to me). If it has some sort of mechanical malfunction or loses signal in some mountain pass, you could lose a lot of cattle. If you move the cattle and some of them get trapped in a ditch/underbursh/etc., you could lose a lot of cattle (since no actual person will be there to see it and help them). And if the cows simply ignore or get confused by the signal you're sending them, you could lose a lot of cattle. And every cow lost is a lot of money lost.

    Basically, this seems to me like a very high tech, expensive way to so something that's much more effectively and economically done the old-fashioned way. Ranch-hands are relatively cheap, smart, and effective. And handful of good cowboys can move a surprisingly large herd.

    This new system, by contrast, sounds unreliable, dumb, and VERY expensive. When you're talking huge herds, $900 a head is a LOT of money. Even $900 a "leader" is a LOT of money. Certainly, its tracking function would be useful to keep an eye on the herd (but I think they already have those sorts of systems already). But the idea that you can move cattle remotely with the push of a button, with no actual cowboys on hand, seems to me like the dream of someone who has never actually worked with the smelly, stupid things.

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    1. Re:This sounds laughably impractical by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh, as someone forced to labor around these animals, I second your dubiousness. I have stared into the void that is the eye of a bovine creature and the void also stared back.

      From trying to help one get untangled from a barbed wire fence to watching one fry itself on an electrified fence to watching one stare confoundedly as a vehicle killed it at 55 mph to ... did I mention you can't lead them down a set of stairs?

      Well, now stealing the cattle is not only going to be easier but there's going to be bonus cattle where not only do you get the $800-$1000 a head but you also get a $900 device!

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    2. Re:This sounds laughably impractical by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder if all the breeding that was done to get the best cuts of meat didn't bother to check if the offspring were dumber than their predecessors.

    3. Re:This sounds laughably impractical by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While your reasoning seems sound, it fails in real life. I have worked in the telcomms industry for some time and have personally witnessed the use of pagers in waterproof wrappings, taped to a collar around a couple of cows, for the express purpose of telling them when it is milking time. Inside of 2 weeks the cows were reliably answering the pager call. Given the right motivation, even dumb cows can be convinced to do the 'right thing' most of the time. Using some technology to reduce the amount of manpower required to convince them is nothing but good.

      Pagers, BTW, would not cost $900 per cow, and empirical evidence suggests that only the lead cows really need the pager around their necks.

    4. Re:This sounds laughably impractical by Swizec · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only professions safe from automation are programming and different kinds of designing. At least until we get creative computers, but that's not very likely in the foreseeable future.

    5. Re:This sounds laughably impractical by ijakings · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Like all hacker movies, invent some tech that would make absolutely no sense even if it were possible throw in alot of buzzwords about TCP encryption and some stuff your just making up.

      Sounds like a winner to me.

    6. Re:This sounds laughably impractical by mysticgoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Please re-read the the posts you are responding to and pay attention to the content.

      Persons with expertise on the ground in handling cattle are saying that moving the herd is only one component of the job, and one of the less difficult components, at that. Protecting the animals from external threats and from their internal inabilities to cope with common environmental traps are economic necessities.

      Until there is a remote way of intervening when a cow worth several hundred dollars gets itself crosswise to a barbed wire fence, being able to remotely direct the herd offers no benefits. These parts of the job will require a sophisticated all terrain robot capable of identifying a cow in trouble, immobilizing the large animal without hurting it, cutting and repairing barbed wire, delivering an antitetanus jab, and so on. And then you might as well save a bunch of money on the cowhead radio receivers by just putting a loudspeaker system in the robot.

      Yeah, at some point technology might replace the cowboy and his horse, but radiohead cows are not going to do it. And robotics has a long ways to go before a person who knows how to safely immobilize a ton of living hamburger with a few feet of rope is in danger of losing his job.

      To put this in perspective: a little before Fulton figured out how to make a steam engine small enough to fit inside a boat, there were some persons that history has forgotten who were experimenting with steam powered bicycles. Radiohead cows sound an awful lot like steam powered bicycles. The developers might be shooting their arrows more or less in the right direction, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any actual target anywhere near where their arrows are going.

    7. Re:This sounds laughably impractical by Fishead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think part of the problem isn't just the dumb cow (we had a hobby farm when I was a kid), it is the rugged terrain.

      If you REALLY wanted to automate your cattle herding process, a good first step would be to flatten your land. Take out all those dangerous canyons, trees, fallen logs, boulders, and gopher holes. If your acreage is in Saskatchewan, most of the work is done for you if it is in the Peace River BC area, a bit more work. Here you might want to employ an army of robots with shovels and dynamite.

      I say just hire a couple mexicans. Trying to automate everything is stupid. And yes, I am an automation technician presently building an automated mouse trap in my basement.

    8. Re:This sounds laughably impractical by ari_j · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing is that full-time ranch hands are not needed at most normal-size ranches. Where I grew up, it worked more like this. You need to round up your cattle about twice a year (branding and slaughter). This can be accomplished with four to ten people, depending on the terrain and size of your pastures. You also have to actually do the branding (which includes neutering, dehorning, etc.), once a year. You have several neighboring ranches, all of which also need to do round-up about twice a year and branding one time a year. Their days don't have to coincide with yours. So what you do is help each other out, exchanging labor for labor.

      I don't see this technology being remotely economically viable for quite some time. That doesn't mean I am opposed to people developing it on their own dime, though.

    9. Re:This sounds laughably impractical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Alright... First off, about all I know about cattle is that they taste good. So don't think for a moment that I'm going to say anything terribly intelligent about handling cattle in general. But I think you need to take a decent look at some of what is being discussed here...

      Until there is a remote way of intervening when a cow worth several hundred dollars gets itself crosswise to a barbed wire fence, being able to remotely direct the herd offers no benefits. These parts of the job will require a sophisticated all terrain robot capable of identifying a cow in trouble, immobilizing the large animal without hurting it, cutting and repairing barbed wire, delivering an antitetanus jab, and so on. And then you might as well save a bunch of money on the cowhead radio receivers by just putting a loudspeaker system in the robot.

      You did see the part where they're calling this a "virtual fence", right? So you would theoretically be keeping the cows where they belong not with barbed wire fence but with this radiohead thing. So there would, in theory, not be a whole lot of barbed wire for them to get tangled up in.

      Of course this does absolutely nothing about the natural hazards that folks have mentioned - things like gopher holes and bushes and whatever - but that would be taken care of in the next step of the process.

      See, this radiohead thing won't be the end of it. Nobody is going to say "OK, we've got remote controlled cows, we're all done now." This isn't about remote controlled cows. This is about a steady march towards automation in just about every money-making venture.

      Sure, humans are still involved in picking some fruit and vegetables... But machines are involved in harvesting a lot of it too. And research is being done to automate those fruits and veggies that are still picked by hand.

      So this radiohead thing maybe isn't a silver bullet, but it's a step along the path of automation... And the next step may be to grab some industrial earth movers and completely flatten your land so you've got nothing for the cattle to trip over... And the next step might be some kind of genetically modified supergrass that strangles out all the bushes and trees in the area and creates a giant green lawn for your cattle to graze on... Maybe you can engineer that grass so that it's toxic to gophers too, so you don't have gopher holes for the cattle to step in... And then, when that's all working correctly you replace the one guy watching a computer screen and directing the cattle with a computer program that keeps them in-line all the way up to the slaughterhouse.

      Sure, that kind of automation may never actually happen. And if it does, it may be dozens of years down the road. But that's the ultimate goal. Not just to get rid of one or two cowboys or make one or two jobs marginally easier.

  2. Does this work on congressmen/senators? by andy1307 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We need something like this for our congresscritters so we can whisper commands into their ears..you know, like "Don't vote for the bailout".

  3. Intelligence of cows by Ed+Avis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How much bovine stupidity can be attributed to human preferences? Have we bred cattle to make them more stupid? I'm sure wild bison and buffaloes are a lot sharper. I expect it's our fault; when did you last send back a steak in a restaurant because it wasn't intelligent enough?

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    1. Re:Intelligence of cows by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sure wild bison and buffaloes are a lot sharper.

      Citation desperately needed.

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    2. Re:Intelligence of cows by Arthur+B. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't even think they were bred for stupidity, it's just that they were bred with no preference for stupidity or intelligence, it's irrelevant to reproductive success. The rest is just natural genetic drift.

      I'm looking at you, humanity.

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    3. Re:Intelligence of cows by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You need a citation to back up the claim that he is sure?

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    4. Re:Intelligence of cows by PitaBred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Speak for yourself, weakling :P All kidding aside, there's no reason a geek shouldn't at least be moderately fit. It's as easy as parking far out in the parking lot instead of right next to the door, and ordering a nice sandwich with veggies and such on it instead of pizza.

      Athleticism isn't purely genetic... it takes practice and work, just like every other skill.

  4. No! by Camaro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I work with cattle for a living, both my own and helping neighbors. I see it over and over. There are definitely leaders in a herd but there are also cattle that will not follow unless you get behind them and get them moving in the right direction. Maybe there's a slow one who stepped in a hole yesterday. Maybe the calf has picked that moment to get a snack and the mother stops for it to suck. Or it's the nervous cow that heads for the hills at the first sign of a roundup. Hell, there's even leader cows who decide to go different directions. Cattle like routine and if they don't usually go a certain direction they don't really feel like going there. Many times I've had a herd approach an open gate and stop. After a few minutes of trying to get them to go through they scatter. But often the first place they head when I start trying to round them up is where they go to drink water because it's what they do every day.