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EMP-Shielded Power Grids Under Development

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from MarketWatch: "A one-megaton nuclear bomb detonated 250 miles over Kansas could cripple many modern electronic devices and systems in the continental US and take out the power grid for a long time. ... A solar storm similar to the one that occurred in 1859, which shorted out telegraph wires in the United States and Europe, could wreak havoc on electrical systems. Each of the above scenarios can create a powerful electromagnetic pulse that overloads electronic devices and systems. IAN staff and Frostburg State University physics and engineering professor Hilkat Soysal are teaming — through a $165,000 project recently approved by the Maryland Industrial Partnerships (MIPS) program — to create renewable energy-powered, electromagnetic pulse (EMP)-protected microgrids that could provide electricity for critical infrastructure facilities in the event of a disaster." Also available are an EMP threat assessment (PDF) written for the US Congress and an estimate of economic impact (PDF).

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  1. Exactly by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why settle for tin foil hats when you can have tin foil powerplants, houses, cars, etc. It just makes sense.

    1. Re:Exactly by adrianwn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A one-megaton nuclear bomb detonated 250 miles over Kansas could cripple many modern electronic devices and systems in the continental US and take out the power grid for a long time.

      I don't mean to troll, but you don't need a nuclear bomb to take out the power grid [1,3]. Instead, the money should be invested in renewing the outdated grid in the USA [2,3].

      [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_North_America_blackout

      [2] http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/26/business/grid.php

      [3] http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/239-5-years-after-blackout-power-grid-still-in-dire-straits.html

    2. Re:Exactly by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't mean to troll, but you don't need a nuclear bomb to take out the power grid [1,3].

      There arn't too many people who have both 1MT nuclear weapons and the ability to get them to 250 miles above Kansas either. Also AFAIK none of those with such an ability are likely to only use one weapon. This is something which is unlikely to happen, but should it happen the US is likely to have bigger problems than a non functional power grid.

      Instead, the money should be invested in renewing the outdated grid in the USA [2,3].

      That actually makes sense. Especially if at the same time you also add generating capacity where it has not previously been. Regardless of if this is of a new form, e.g. wind/solar/etc. or coal/methane/nuclear/etc.

  2. Omega Man by p51d007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sometimes I wish we could throw away technology, and go back to the old days...less stress. Just as long as they don't take my cell phone, wi-fi, internet, DVD's LOL.

    1. Re:Omega Man by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      *We* can. Those of *us* who choose to do it join communities such as the Amish. It's only up to you to choose that lifestyle. And technology doesn't cause stress, having a job does. That's why I don't have one, ahem I mean, I'm self employed.

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    2. Re:Omega Man by sortius_nod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And technology doesn't cause stress, we do.

      Fixed that for you.

  3. And of course the critical power lines would.... by 3seas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... be supporting the governments and their military for which an EMP would most likely come from.

    Just more terrorism from those we pay taxes to.

  4. Shielded grid? by transporter_ii · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the grid was shielded, could it be used for broadband Internet?

    Transporter_ii

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    1. Re:Shielded grid? by amorsen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even unshielded, it can be. It's just expensive to protect your modem from 10kV and up, and the bandwidth of long aluminium cables isn't very impressive.

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  5. underground by ionix5891 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    will burying the cables under ground help? sorry if its a dumb question

    1. Re:underground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not unless they are very very deep. Cables are usually more conductive than the ground. The EMP will continue deep into the ground, and will be picked up by cables like a several miles long antenna.

    2. Re:underground by Tanktalus · · Score: 2, Informative

      You kind of have it backwards. You want to put the cables in a conductive conduit. The air layer would be non-conductive already, though there are simpler ways to achieve that (e.g., rubber or plastic).

  6. Pork by bsane · · Score: 3, Funny

    through a $165,000 project recently approved by the Maryland Industrial Partnerships (MIPS) program

    Sounds like pork to me... I hope McCaine shuts this down!

  7. Still inventing war-tech, guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Soon nobody will want to waste an expensive bomb on your broke asses anyway.

    1. Re:Still inventing war-tech, guys? by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's nothing quite like doing research in the hopes of spending billions to defend oneself against the absurdly unlikely. A nuke detonated in LOE?!? A natural phenomenon the likes of which has been recorded exactly ONCE in the last 150 years?!

      If only there was some kind of Adamsian Perspective Ray we could shoot these people with.

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  8. IAN? by definate · · Score: 3, Funny

    Am I the only one who read "IAN staff" as "I Am Not staff" and then thought I am not staff? That doesn't make sense. Fucking slashdot summary!

    Ohhhhh... wait a minute... I.A.N... fucking slashdot abbreviations!

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  9. How about solar flares? by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    solar flares need to be shielded from as well.

    1. Re:How about solar flares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Solar flares cause problems because they induce an extermely low frequency charge on a transmission line. This low frequency is practically a DC voltage which can saturate the core of transformer thus causing a blackout. Coupling the line through a large capacitor bank filters out this DC component thus negating much of the effects of a solar flare.

  10. Nice by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    that could provide electricity for critical infrastructure facilities in the event of a disaster."

    "Critical infrastructure" had better include the Wal-marts, fire, police, gas stations...

    And most importantly: the internet.

    The potential effects of a massive EMP or power outage are so bad, that the traditional notion of "critical infrastructure" may not be enough.

    I.E. If businesses are down (no power) for months, then you have a situation where people can't purchase essential supplies, AND since a large EMP would effect a large area, noone nearby can spare them.

  11. Re:Stupid scaremongering by AudioInfecktion · · Score: 4, Informative

    What do they teach kids in schools these days. Let me explain. The scenario is the detonation of a 1 megaton nuclear device at 250 miles. That's in space, btw. It would not directly kill a single person. When that happens the EMP field would actually cover the US and a good chunk of Canada, and parts of Mexico. Wait, he's gonna say that I'm full of crap.... proof: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_altitude_nuclear_explosion Look at the effects while you're there. And if you say that it can't happen.... You'll see that it already has been done.

  12. Re:Stupid scaremongering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the Wikipedia page on EMP (which quotes a Federation of American Scientists article):

    "The pulse can easily span continent-sized areas, and this radiation can affect systems on land, sea, and air. The first recorded EMP incident accompanied a high-altitude nuclear test over the South Pacific and resulted in power system failures as far away as Hawaii. A large device detonated at 400â"500 km (250 to 312 miles) over Kansas would affect all of the continental U.S. The signal from such an event extends to the visual horizon as seen from the burst point."

    The test mentioned is the Starfish 1.4 megaton high altitude test. That link has many more details.

    EMP affects all sorts of electrical devices. Car computers would likely be more seriously affected than vintage, non-computer cars unless they have been EMP shielded as most military equipment is. Most regular cars have no such protection.

  13. Nice, but... by orkybash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... I don't think MIPS means Maryland Industrial Partnerships to the slashdot crowd.

  14. How about Hurricane Resistant Power Grids? by jefftp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hurricane Ike knocked out power across Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio. We need to divert this money away from worrying about preventing a power grid outage due to an extremely unlikely nuclear strike and towards finding ways to keep natural, regularly occuring forces from bringing down power for 6 million people across the center of the US.

  15. Don't need a nuke to make an EMP by Khyber · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are many other ways to form EMPs. The problem is making them powerful enough. A shorted out magnetotron in a microwave generates enough EM to screw up any nearby electronics (blew out my microwave, killed my computer, TV, router, and stereo. Everything else in other rooms were fine, just the kitchen and living room were affected, and they're on separate circuits.)

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  16. EMP threat is way exaggerated by George_Ou · · Score: 2, Informative

    EMP threat is way exaggerated
    http://www.alternet.org/story/25738/

    A 1.4 megaton thermonuclear weapon detonated 250 miles above Johnston Island in the Pacific affected street lamps, circuit breakers, cars and radio stations in Hawaiian, 800 miles to the north. Starfish Prime was a thermonuclear device with a yield over a hundred times that of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Minimal damage 800 miles away. 1% of street lights and some fused ignitions in cars.

  17. Re:And of course the critical power lines would... by philspear · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just more terrorism from those we pay taxes to.

    It's a trick! He's from the USSR, just trying to get us to stop paying our taxes, THEN the commies will win!

  18. IKE was preventable by woolio · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hurricane Ike knocked out power across Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio. We need to divert this money away from worrying about preventing a power grid outage due to an extremely unlikely nuclear strike and towards finding ways to keep natural, regularly occuring forces from bringing down power for 6 million people across the center of the US

    The outages caused by Hurricane Ike WERE PREVENTABLE!

    In Houston, there are trees completely growing around power poles. The news doesn't talk about this, but regular trimming/maintenance WAS NOT DONE. It is no wonder the branches snapped the lines.

    Look at it this way: Natural Gas sevice was not interrupted. Water was only interrupted for 1-2 days due to issues in the pumping station. Why was electricity out for 2 weeks? Because all other utilities have enough sense to BURY their lines. Can you imagine what would have happened if water pipes were run on poles 20 feet off the ground?

    Had Houston and other areas buried electrical lines, we wouldn't have been in this mess.