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Repairing Genetic Mutations With Lasers?

Roland Piquepaille writes "German researchers at the Christian-Albrechts-Universität zu Kiel (CAU) think they've proved that genetic information can be controlled by light. The group studied the interaction between the four DNA bases — adenine (A), cytosine (C), guanine (G), and thymine (T) — by using femtosecond time-resolved fluorescence spectroscopy. The researchers think that they've demonstrated that DNA strands differ in their light sensitivity depending on their base sequences. The team thinks that it might be possible in the future to repair gene mutations using laser radiation. One of the project leaders said that 'it might even be possible under some circumstances to make transistors from DNA that would work through the hydrogen bonds.' It's not the first time I've heard about DNA computing, but this new approach looks promising."

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  1. good work by nicknamenottaken · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good to see they're shedding light on the topic

    1. Re:good work by cailith1970 · · Score: 1

      Warning! Do not look at laser with remaining genetically mutated eye.

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  2. This will only work with the proper mount... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Sharks!

  3. woohoo! by db32 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Eugenics here we come!

    I have a wonderfully hilarious image of fundamentalists chasing homosexuals around with flashlights because they read the dumbed down Fox friendly version of this story.

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    1. Re:woohoo! by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does anyone else find it a really disturbing sign of the times that the parent was modded Insightful, not Funny?

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    2. Re:woohoo! by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Funny

      Relax; it's probably just another case of using Insightful instead of Funny to give the poster an undeserved karma point.

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    3. Re:woohoo! by db32 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find it terribly disturbing and I am the poster!

      Though, to be serious, this type of science inevitably comes down to "cure those who are different".

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    4. Re:woohoo! by sgbett · · Score: 3, Funny

      I considered modding you funny, but felt the irony might be missed!

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    5. Re:woohoo! by philspear · · Score: 1

      I find it more disturbing that it was marked overrated: that indicates that there may be some fundamentalists who already chase homosexuals with flashlights after watching fox, and they were offended.

    6. Re:woohoo! by xant · · Score: 1

      Fundies believe homosexuality is learned. If you see any running around holding flashlights in their fists, it's not eugenics, it's closeted gayness.

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    7. Re:woohoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In the defense of this, many times this being "different" is a severe biological inconvenience, and many people would like to be cured.

    8. Re:woohoo! by db32 · · Score: 1

      Why else would they have flashlights other than to see in the dark closet?

      That being said, I wouldn't say all fundies think it is learned. I remember not so long ago there was a fairly large push to "cure" the gay gene by some of their think tanks.

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    9. Re:woohoo! by noidentity · · Score: 1

      Notice how this is about repairing mere mutations (different = BAD), rather than defects?

  4. Misleading headline by robinsonne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From reading TFA, the researchers have seen that different bases will fluoresce different lengths of time when they shoot a laser at them. I can see where it might help with sequencing (as is mentioned in TFA) by recognizing the presumably fast glow pattern, but anything beyond that is plain wishful thinking on the part of the writer.

    One might also envisage linking the photophysical properties to genetic characteristics. When these mechanisms are better understood, it might in the long term become possible to repair gene mutations using laser radiation.

    I can imagine breeding flying pigs too, but I don't see it happening anytime soon either.

    1. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHere have all the good trolls gone? I mean, there was a time when a Piquepaille story would release a torrent, but now not even Natalie Portman is interested in hot grits, and the Russians haf forgotten all about the Frenchman who lusts after Timmy.

    2. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, no - first you induce the genetic mutations, then you breed the flying pigs.

    3. Re:Misleading headline by philspear · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I don't see any indication that you can actually manipulate genes in vivo using light at all. The quote by the researcher looks like it's only about diagnosing, observation. No mechanism at all about manipulation. It seems to be whoever was writing the article put that in without knowing anything about it.

      You have billions of base pairings in your genome, and each cell has a copy. The genome is in the nucleus of each cell, and most of your cells are, of course, inside of you. Even if you did surgery to get to the cells, I see absolutely no way you could specifically change individual base pairs, or even take out whole chromesomes. Shooting a laser into a cell would not be specific enough to "undo" a mutation. I don't see any way this could ever work in cells.

    4. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How would it be possible to repair DNA? cut someone open and shine light on their cancer? HAHA Is this person serious, do they even understand the fundamentals of chemistry, biology and physics? The reason DNA damage is so harmful is because it spreads to other cells, how would you isolate only the damaged cells and shine light on the DNA in chromatin?

    5. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only someone with no understanding of cell biology would think direct dna manipulation is imminent

      dna in the cell is wound around big protein complexes in nucleosomes, around histones which are basically spools to prevent these long chains of dna from getting in the way

      you would need to unwind the dna first otherwise you'd shoot up multiple bases at a time in vivo

      also what are the properties of these lasers in cell cytoplasm and other gunk in the nucleus? the whole thing probably doesnt work if it has potential to bounce off proteins, polysaccharides , cell membranes, and all the other gunk in a living cell.

      use cases would have to be something like ivf or gene therapy where you can extract dna from the cell, manipulate and then inject back into a cell which you then have to shoot back into the organism somehow

    6. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No, no, no - first you induce the genetic mutations, then you breed the flying pigs"

      Catapults.
      Been there. Done that.

      Next ! ;-D

    7. Re:Misleading headline by Rutulian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Forget about the cell biology. What about the chemistry and physics? How can laser light change a base pair? Radiation can induce mutations because it can, among other things, promote photochemical reactions that make bases or base pairs unrecognizable to the cell machinery. As a result, polymerases introduce mismatched bases when replicating a sequence. I cannot think of any possible way of directly converting, say, a thymidine to a cytidine by irradiating it. Doesn't mean it's not possible, but certainly isn't something that's going to be on the table anytime soon.

  5. verb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " The team thinks that it might be possible in the future to gene mutations using laser radiation."

    what's the verb? to ____ gene mutations? to fix? to create? to create velociraptors by exposing frogs to?

    1. Re:verb? by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      to create velociraptors by exposing frogs to

      That could only lead to chaos.

    2. Re:verb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I accidentally to gene mutations. Is this bad?

    3. Re:verb? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      That sentence no verb!

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    4. Re:verb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or more interesting animal racing events.

      Specially if the jockeys can avoid getting eaten.

      Or maybe that can be reserved as a special perk for the best thoroughbreds.

      (I know, I know - that's a very cold-blooded thing to say.)

  6. How about natural genetic anomalies? by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like the ones that cause hair loss in men that was discovered earlier this week. :)

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    1. Re:How about natural genetic anomalies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't tease me, link please?

    2. Re:How about natural genetic anomalies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been TV Advertising commercials where a bald person uses a red-light
      comb through their hair and magically , hair grows back. Hmmm, I didn't know
      it was connected to the genetic mutations in my skin or hair cell. :) Maybe
      this stuff really works!!!!

    3. Re:How about natural genetic anomalies? by nurb432 · · Score: 1
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  7. Laser radiation? by Relic+of+the+Future · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is that like a pin number?

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    1. Re:Laser radiation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to be pedantic, but Laser radiation is a fair term. Laser light is a commonly used and generally valid term for what comes out da' end of da' tube, and calling it 'radiation' is really just making use of a thesaurus on a common and accurate term...

    2. Re:Laser radiation? by Wizard+Drongo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And what "LASER" stands for has just gone flying over your head at the, well the speed of Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

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    3. Re:Laser radiation? by bane2571 · · Score: 1

      To be pedantic:

      The term "laser" is an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation (Wikipedia)

      So it is exactly like PIN number

    4. Re:Laser radiation? by chihowa · · Score: 1

      To be doubly pedantic, the acronym LASER describes a process and not a product. Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation is a process by which you make coherent, sometimes monochromatic, light. So laser radiation would describe the radiation produced by the LASER process.

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    5. Re:Laser radiation? by bane2571 · · Score: 1

      That's ummm... well...hmmm.

      Touche!

    6. Re:Laser radiation? by weirdo557 · · Score: 1

      more like an atm machine

    7. Re:Laser radiation? by john83 · · Score: 1

      I have just such an amplification in my lab.

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  8. Light Therapy by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

    Interestingly, some of the Edgar Cayce trance-inspired therapies involved exposure to light in specific wavelengths. I wonder how well those went, and if there's any correspondence?

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  9. Charles, no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who will take this worse, Professor X or Magneto?

  10. Laser beams by Krneki · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now we just need a couple of sharks.

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  11. Huh? by stainlesssteelpat · · Score: 1

    I think i saw something like this in an old film called "fantastic voyage. But where will they get the minature sharks?

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  12. Who decides what constitutes a 'mutation'? by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    The time we start dictating what a genetic 'standard' is and classifying variations as 'mutations' is when we start playing God.

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    1. Re:Who decides what constitutes a 'mutation'? by endymion.nz · · Score: 1

      Funny, they said that about polio vaccines.

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    2. Re:Who decides what constitutes a 'mutation'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, the joke I could make if Spore wasn't already out...

  13. Okay but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do they use Crocodile with a laser beam to do procedure?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5KxG4q6QFw

  14. Re:woohoo! Hmmm. Torchsong Trilogy could end by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    up being Torchlight Tragedy...?

    But, in the end if this is "God's" work, then assuming God is perfect, then all is as God wanted, and the humans are simply delusional through and through.

    Imagine the human body a car. The will the driver. If a sect or subclass of humans decides they have divination to go and destroy the genome with a flashlight (or by earth-shaking Sunday sermons and witch hunts, etc.) then the general population should be interested in or consider taking up maces, chain lines, and mauls and proceed to go after motorcyclists with loud pipes, who tear down streets keeping people awake at night. Maybe the populace should take axes and drills to suped-up expensive cars, even though the CARS don't kill people, speeding drivers (and a dose of bad luck for the run-down) do.

    Admittedly, it's not a good analogy. But, fortunately, flashlights won't fix people up that way, and light-waving people might end up shattering the entire species, even other animals, if everyone with a God's-will mission used a gene-destabilizing piece of instrumentation...

    What was that Jack asked/implored in, what, Witches of Eastwick: "Why can't we all just GET ALONG?"?

    Some people are WIRED to not get along...

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  15. CAN'T WORK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But seriously, while I can see how such properties would facilitate reading of DNA base-pairs, how would they permit gene sequence modification?

    You can't use lasers to etch base-pairs, in a reciprocal process to reading them. You need to be able to substitute in new base-pairs for whatever you're replacing. I don't see how lasers are going to accomplish that.

    Wouldn't it just be better to synthesize an entirely new sequence, de novo, from scratch? Then it can contain whatever base-pair sequence you want.

    Or else, maybe you could come up with some optically-controlled enzyme that would crawl along the DNA strand, kicking off a base-pair when desired and substituting in some other one.

  16. Okay, now I get it... by RudeIota · · Score: 1

    The Turtles and Splinter all lived in the dark, light forbidden labyrinth of the sewer... Coincidence?

    It all makes sense now.

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  17. Great. A cancer ray. by Iowan41 · · Score: 1

    Or name-your-genetic-disease-here. Putin will be thrilled.

  18. I wonder... by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

    ...if this can be weaponized? Like a laser that causes people's genes to horribly mutate.

  19. Re:woohoo! Hmmm. Torchsong Trilogy could end by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

    What was that Jack asked/implored in, what, Witches of Eastwick: "Why can't we all just GET ALONG?"?

    So that's where that came from!

    It's one of the Warlock imp's quotes in World of Warcraft.

    Good to know that Jack's legacy will live on in the entertainment world.

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  20. "Normalizing" mutants with lasers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better not let Magneto hear about this...

  21. Repairing vs. reversing by Phillibuster · · Score: 1

    I think 'reversing' would be a better word than 'repairing'. Not every mutation is harmful (though I'm sure a vast majority aren't beneficial).

  22. This is nothing new ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    I remember reading about a miniaturized submarine that was injected into a Russian defector, so that the teeny tiny crew could use a laser to repair a blood clot.

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  23. Biomorphic Field goes Mainstream ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, the bunch o'crazies that were running about since the - oh, the 40's, at least - ranting and babbling about microwaves end e-m interference being capable of all sorts of biological effects - from far-away cancer-induction to wonder-cures and Dr. Moreau style mutation induction.... they were on to something ?

    I vaguely remember a couple of tratactii by a Russian personality, and some other folk in the 90's, who claimed that the wrapped-up chromossome resembled a coil antenna so much that it was supposedly sensible to information-carrying e-m radiation in the (can't remember) ranges.

    There was something about attaching gold-bearing molecules to the ladder's outside at regular intervals - to help manipulation somehow. Though I can't see what's wrong with plain old haemoglobin.

    Of course, terahertz radiation can be "lased" too. So....

  24. Lasers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is there anything they can't do?

  25. We'll just resequence your DNA by Analogy+Man · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now all those Trek episodes where they do genetic level medical procedures with a blue flashlight are a tiny bit less fantasy.

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  26. very bad summary by Rutulian · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ok, that certainly has to be the worst layman's summary of a scientific paper I have ever seen. The actual article is here. You will need a subscription to Science to read it, which most university libraries have. The researchers have used time-resolved fluorescence spectroscopy to measure excited state lifetimes of DNA molecules. They found--surprise!--that the mean lifetimes are dependent on the structure of the molecules, which is ultimately dependent on the sequence.

    These are very difficult experiments to do, and the data is good, but there isn't anything particularly breathtaking about the results. Perhaps the resolution is a bit amazing. It is theoretically expected that sequences of 5'-d(AAGAAAAGAAAAGAAAAGAA)-3' and 5'-d(AAGAAGAAGAAGAAGAAGAA)-3' would have different decay properties, but you might not expect it to be measurable by an ensemble technique.

    Anyway, none of this has anything to do with the summary. This isn't "light sensitivity" of DNA. This can't be applied to DNA sequencing, at least not in any practical way. And there is no possibility of repairing genetic mutations with light. The computing thing...also quite a bit of a stretch. Of course, this isn't Roland's fault. He just quoted the German press release....

    1. Re:very bad summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....It is theoretically expected that sequences of 5'-d(AAGAAAAGAAAAGAAAAGAA)-3' and 5'-d(AAGAAGAAGAAGAAGAAGAA)-3' would have different decay properties, but you might ...

      You alright mate?

    2. Re:very bad summary by john83 · · Score: 1

      You know, this is why I still read Slashdot. In the midst of all the overlord jokes, the google-bashing and the inane repetition of people's opinions on the failed state of IP law, there's generally one guy who actually knows what he's talking about. Thank you.

      The researchers have used time-resolved fluorescence spectroscopy to measure excited state lifetimes of DNA molecules... It is theoretically expected that sequences of 5'-d(AAGAAAAGAAAAGAAAAGAA)-3' and 5'-d(AAGAAGAAGAAGAAGAAGAA)-3' would have different decay properties, but you might not expect it to be measurable by an ensemble technique.

      So are these guys the first to do an ensemble measurement of this?

      Anyway, none of this has anything to do with the summary... Of course, this isn't Roland's fault. He just quoted the German press release....

      Ah, Roland. I should have noticed. Anyway, it's interesting to read the release and see what remarks are supported by quotes. As ever, the biggest claims aren't supported, but they are the ones which get reported.

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    3. Re:very bad summary by Rutulian · · Score: 1

      So are these guys the first to do an ensemble measurement of this?

      They aren't the first to measure mean excited state lifetimes on DNA molecules. Without doing a literature search, though, I think they are the first to try to systematically measure it with regard to the single-stranded DNA sequence.

      As ever, the biggest claims aren't supported, but they are the ones which get reported.

      Yeah, unfortunately this happens a lot, often by the people doing the science in addition to the media. Sadly, it's what gets funding and keeps the public interest.

  27. Re:woohoo! Hmmm. Torchsong Trilogy could end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    will you please shut the fuck up you lump of shit? go fist yourself you bitch ass trick. you're just the stupidest motherfucker i've ever seen. a god damn idiot if i've ever known one.

  28. Re:woohoo! Hmmm. Torchsong Trilogy could end by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    I truly will devote a few minutes tonight offering any offerable karma that might benefit you. I don't know why you're on a mission to disparage me. I get it enough here, and you're way over the top. I don't know you, don't care to engage in duels, spars, barbs with you. I truly hope you find peace and calm in your life. Life is short. Try to enjoy it without undue stress. I'm sure you have talents and inclinations that could be of benefit to many many people. I'm not worth the energy you're expending. I'm not being facile or crazy with you. I'm actually hoping you do find relaxation and resolution and good things in life.

    Regards.

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