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RIAA Wants Its $222,000 Verdict Back

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The RIAA, unhappy with the Court's decision setting aside its $222,000 jury verdict over $23.76 worth of song files, and throwing out the legal theory on which it was based, has made a motion for permission to file an appeal from the Judge's order, in Capitol v. Thomas. Normally, only final judgments are appealable, and appeals are not permissible in federal court from 'interlocutory' orders of that nature."

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  1. It's not about the money by Bonker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's NEVER been about the money. It's not about compensating the artists. (Ha!)

    This is 100% about trying to keep control of an entire industry in the hands of a very rich, very corrupt few.

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    1. Re:It's not about the money by jskora · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This has been proven over and over so many times, eventually someone in the courts should notice. SCO finally fell, unfortunately the RIAA has bigger war chests.

    2. Re:It's not about the money by Samah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...those RIAA lawyers are going to get Jack Thompsoned.

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    3. Re:It's not about the money by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This has been proven over and over so many times, eventually someone in the courts should notice. SCO finally fell, unfortunately the RIAA has bigger war chests.

      The entire legal system is set up on the assumption that everyone (with the possible exception of the defendant) is by and large fairly straight up.

    4. Re:It's not about the money by aadvancedGIR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      SCO had a huge warchest too. What killed them is that their targets were also rich, organized and motivated. RIAA targets almost always lack at least two of these qualities.

  2. Why is this news... by Darundal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...they only filed a motion, and one that probably won't get far. When it gets far, then this should be front page material.

    1. Re:Why is this news... by Shikaku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's still news because they have the gall to even apply for it. The judges are clearly not on their side, even if the government is.

    2. Re:Why is this news... by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're lawyers. They'd have the gall to shoot your mother, have sexual intercourse with her corpse, chop off her ears and send them to you along with an invoice for services rendered.

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    3. Re:Why is this news... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're lawyers. They'd have the gall to shoot your mother, have sexual intercourse with her corpse, chop off her ears and send them to you along with an invoice for services rendered.

      Well, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Not all lawyers want to have sex with your mother, alive or otherwise. But yeah ... the RIAA's brand of law is pretty much in the gutter.

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    4. Re:Why is this news... by david.emery · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... Not all lawyers want to have sex with your mother, alive or otherwise.

      I'm not convinced. I believe the current approach in legal training and education is that -anything- in support of the client's position is permissable. And frankly that approach is equally applicable in politics these days (not a surprise when the majority of politicians are lawyers.)

      On both sides of the case I've been involved with, I've seen the lawyers say outrageous things, because there's NO CONSEQUENCES for doing so.

      dave

      p.s. tell your mother I'm sorry :-)

    5. Re:Why is this news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With all due respect, what is your experience with "the current approach?" How many lawyers do you personally know?

      I ask because I'm a lawyer and while I do represent my client as zealously as I can, I am bound by ethical and personal standards that I cannot, and will not breach. And I feel 99% of the people I work with are the same.

      What actual experience do you have with "legal training and education" that prompted your theory?

  3. Let the punishment fit the crime. by Zaphod+The+42nd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What lawyer, where, thinks its a good idea to sue some lady for $222,000 for $23 worth of illegal filesharing? Its bad enough the RIAA tried it in the first place, but the court shot them down, and they're still at it? You'd think anybody with half a conscience would move on at this point.

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    1. Re:Let the punishment fit the crime. by Godji · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not about the money. It's about the precedent and the fear.

  4. Don't see much wrong by cfulmer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree that it would be unusual for the appeal to be granted. But, it does make some sense -- if, on retrial, Thomas wins with the new instruction, then the RIAA will appeal to the 8th circuit on the jury instruction. And, if the 8th circuit agrees with the "Making Available" theory, then the case would go back to the district court where a new jury would have to, again, decide if she made the works available. (Once the second trial has started, I don't think you can go back to the outcome of the first.)

    How many juries do we need?

  5. Fear by arizwebfoot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They ( the RIAA ) are afraid if they lose here, the downward spiral will continue with no way of stopping it.

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  6. A little OT, but I have to say it by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thompson seemed to enjoy throwing around frivolous lawsuits as well.

    It hadn't really hit me until I saw this sentence with the word 'seem' in the past tense.

    Damn but that just looks beautiful. Thompson...seemed.

    It just hadn't hit me until right now that he's history. Jeez, but I hope I live long enough to say the same about the RIAA. "The RIAA seemed to like to file frivolous lawsuits."

    Ah, that's going to be great. Can't wait.

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  7. Why they're worried by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the monopolists let this stuff continue, they begin to lose their monopoly, too. A loss for the RIAA here will push music and other media (likely movies) back into the hands of the competitive market. Then you'd see the industry start to equalize, with less-common artists making more money, and famous artists making less. Mostly, though, the monopolists wouldn't make as much money anymore, and that's what counts.

  8. Re:Hail Mary by TechForensics · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If plaintiffs were to succeed in an appeal after the termination of the first trial, unlikely as that may be, a new trial could have to happen. To prevent that possibility an Appeals Court might agree to rule now.

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  9. Re:The real reason they're doing this by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This has nothing to do with expecting to win, and everything to do with attempting to run up the defendant's legal bills.

    Yes. That is the one consistent theme in their strategy.

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  10. What we need is... by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... a standard sarcasm-calibration post. That way people can check their sarcasm detector is correctly aligned before moderating or commenting.