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XKCD Invited To New Yorker "Cartoon-Off"

UnknowingFool writes "Farley Katz, who draws for New Yorker magazine, ran into xkcd.com's Randall Munroe in a grocery store. He challenged Munroe to a cartoon-off — each cartoonist to produce drawings about the Internet as envisioned by the elderly, String Theory, 1999, and one's favorite animal eating one's favorite food. In the ensuing short interview, Munroe describes XKCD as 'a webcomic about stick figures who do math, play with staple guns, mess around on the Internet, and have lots of sex. It's about three-fourths autobiographical.'"

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  1. And the winner is... by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Funny

    hyperbondage

    1. Re:And the winner is... by ComaVN · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Did anyone else habitually hover over the pic to see the alt text?

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    2. Re:And the winner is... by rgo · · Score: 4, Informative

      -20 It has nothing, I hate you, I even checked the source code.

    3. Re:And the winner is... by Kingrames · · Score: 2, Funny

      no, I right clicked it and selected properties. I run firefox.

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  2. Munroe Wins by bshell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Munroe was the clear winner. 1999 *BC* was just dumb, as were most of Katz's others. The only lame one of Munroe's was the strange skateboard thing. Somewhat off topic, though it gets points for originality.

    1. Re:Munroe Wins by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      (-1 " as useless as .jpegs to Hellen Keller.")

    2. Re:Munroe Wins by orkybash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Excuse me, please tell me how "Scientist + alchohol = string theory" is funnier than "hyperbondage." Maybe if it had been a pot joke instead...

    3. Re:Munroe Wins by orkybash · · Score: 2, Informative
    4. Re:Munroe Wins by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pretty simple......show both comics to 10 random people on the street......which do you think will get the most laughs?

      They are both funny, the only difference is the target audience. We happen to be the target audience of xkcd, and that is why Munroe is famous on slashdot and Katz is a cartoonist for the New Yorker.

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    5. Re:Munroe Wins by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pretty simple......show both comics to 10 random people on the street......which do you think will get the most laughs?

      FAIL! You didn't specify which street. I call Infinite Loop, Cupertino.

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    6. Re:Munroe Wins by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's the New Yorker, they expect a certain amount of political commentary. Katz got it in with the Creationism reference in 1999 (hence the underlining) and Munroe was making a Palin reference. Sorry. Not funny now that I've explained it.

      Munroe won in my book, and not bad when he's playing an away-game. I did consider a detailed description of exactly why he wins with references and footnotes and sign it "Summer Glau", but I'm gambling that someone else will go to the effort for a +5 Funny :)

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    7. Re:Munroe Wins by cultofmetatron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      learn or at least become familiar with lisp, game theory and take physics 101 (specifically vector diagrams), program in python and c, look at perl, watch all of starwars, and you will understand 100% of it... or go insane

    8. Re:Munroe Wins by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'll go a month ago. Oh wait...

      You want "Closed timelike curve" - its about 3 blocks south of "infinite loop."

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  3. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by riceboy50 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thank you Capt. Obvious! It's not as funny if you have to call attention to the joke.

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  4. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by causality · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thank you Capt. Obvious! It's not as funny if you have to call attention to the joke.

    I appreciate that. Being merely Sergeant Obvious was really getting old. Nothing but work, work, work.

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  5. O__O by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know what's scarier, that Katz's cow drawing has too many nipples - or that I noticed the discrepancy...

    1. Re:O__O by Ohio+Calvinist · · Score: 4, Funny

      All cows have too many nipples, based on my assumption that two nipples is the ideal number. :)

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    2. Re:O__O by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Funny

      His cow is part sow (BTW they are teats).

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    3. Re:O__O by Javarrito · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't know what's scarier, that Katz's cow drawing has too many nipples - or that I noticed the discrepancy...

      How about the fact that that mistake could ruin his political career (in Vermont, at least).

      During the televised debate, Tuttle asked a series of humorous local knowledge questions rather than political questions. McMullen was unable to correctly pronounce the names of several Vermont towns, or correctly answer Fred's question "How many teats a Holstein got?," answering "Six", instead of the correct "Four". In the primary, Tuttle defeated McMullen by ten percentage points. Winning the primary with 55 percent of the vote, Tuttle promptly endorsed the incumbent Democrat, Patrick Leahy.

    4. Re:O__O by Skye16 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In his defense, I have seen cows with 6 teats before. They were small and non functioning, but it had them.

      But that's what comes from working on a dairy farm. You're bound to end up seeing freak teats eventually.

    5. Re:O__O by thegameiam · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Freak Teats" is a phrase I think I can go a long time without encountering again...

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  6. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Eternauta3k · · Score: 3, Funny

    I understand it's a joke, but it seems out of place. The kind of geekyness portrayed in xkcd and its forums isn't the stereotypical slashdot, basement-dwelling kind.

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  7. Re:Slashdot Reference by the-amazing-blob · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not a Slashdot reference, it's a South Park reference.

  8. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by ciaohound · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, I'm thinking he's done with the staple guns, now that all the XKCD fangirls are lining up to blow him.

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  9. Oh I do hope... by ahoehn · · Score: 4, Funny

    I sincerely hope the expression "Pulled a Palin" becomes part of the vernacular.

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    1. Re:Oh I do hope... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      Anyway, step back, I voted republican. We cool now?

      Wait a second. I'm confused. So are you saying that you are racist?!?




      (relax, it's a joke)

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  10. Katz vs Munroe? by fishinatree · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While XKCD is my favorite webcomic that I've been following for quite a long time, I have to admit that Munroe's humor lies more in his ability to crack inside jokes with the nerd in all of us. Katz tries to appeal to the more general public (it's his job at the New Yorker). I think Munroe is funnier, especially here, but his esoteric humor might lose some votes.

    1. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Humor needs to be esoteric. There needs to be a pause between seeing the joke and getting the joke.

      Katz's work is painfully obvious and looks like something out of a "cartooning 101" workshop. A drunk scientist? A cow biting itself? Those are hackneyed jokes!

      My understanding is that the new yorker has this reputation for cartoons so bad that the audience has learned to love their badness. Well, theyre still terrible to me.

    2. Re:Katz vs Munroe? by physicsphairy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Inside jokes are still funnier, IMHO. The best jokes are those that have the most surprising punchlines, or engage the maximum of brain activity (while still being decipherable). Personally, I think an unfamiliar academic context goes a long way toward supporting both of those concepts. Actually, a lot of my esoteric science knowledge originally came from researching jokes at the infamous http://www.xs4all.nl/~jcdverha/scijokes/index.html and I remember a lot of those being hilarious well before I had proper context for wholly understanding them. And nowadays I find Dinosaur Comics brilliant, seemingly component to my utter unfamiliarity with the field of linguistics, which Ryan North frequently refers to.

      Admittedly, maybe that isn't true for everyone. But for me, anyway, the least funny humorists are always those that condescend or use humorous tropes that have already been done to death. I'd always rather have someone joking way over my head than at the level where I can figure out the punchline before I even hear it.

  11. Three-fourths? by RyoShin · · Score: 4, Funny

    do math, play with staple guns, mess around on the Internet, and have lots of sex. It's about three-fourths autobiographical.

    I take it Monroe doesn't like staple guns.

  12. Re:This is sad.... by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you factor something's popularity into its worth, you're doing it wrong.

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  13. Re:One was good... by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

    There were two drawings showing the internet as envisioned by the elderly.

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  14. Re:This is sad.... by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bury a turd somewhere. Never tell anyone. The memory will always be yours alone.

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  15. One New Yorker comic I didn't get by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's the deal with the pig at the complaint department saying "I wish I were taller"?

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  16. Re:That's cartooning? by Broken+scope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do realize that xkcd has never been about the art, and its author has never claimed it was?

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  17. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Captain Cliche here. Can I have my insult back?

  18. XKCD by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a huge XKCD fan, but out of these 8 strips, it might be a reach to call 2 funny. I think they both failed.

    What I'd have preferred instead of arbitrary subjects that intrinsically aren't funny, is for them to play off each other. One writes a comic of their choosing that fits within their comic idiom. The next plays directly off that comic trying to top if, within their idiom.

    The back and forth would likely be much better.

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  19. Re:Three-fourths Autobiographical? by theeddie55 · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, it means that Munroe is actually a stick figure!

  20. Re:3/4th Autobiographical is about right by rk · · Score: 2, Funny

    We sincerely appreciate you translating that joke for us. None of us here, I'm certain, would've gotten it if it were not for your blinding insight.

    On behalf of the Slashdot community, thank you for sharing your wisdom and erudition with us.

  21. Re:One was good... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah. That's the one. It was hilarious!

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  22. Re:It's a tie. by m.ducharme · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Munroe's elderly comic makes GREAT sense, but you have to get the in-joke. Have you seen the comic captioned "on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog"? And if so, what magazine do you think it first appeared in? I thought it was the best one of all of them, with so many delicious levels of irony and meta-references.

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  23. Uh, math? by PatDev · · Score: 5, Informative

    Umm, you are aware that "99.99999% more" roughly means "slightly less than twice as much", right? As in, he reads 199.99999% as much XKCD as he does NYT.

  24. Re:Frosty Piss... by Sebilrazen · · Score: 4, Funny

    I maintain that CmdrTaco overpaid.

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  25. Re:Hmmm... by MeanSquare · · Score: 2, Funny



    LOL! Oh come now maxune. You don't think XKCD's nerdy stick figure girls are sexy?

  26. Re:It's a tie. by __aailob1448 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nonsense. Why would anyone's favorite animal be a cow?

    In any case, how do you know who proposed each topic and where do you get off calling Katz a cheat? Where is your proof?

  27. Now it makes sense by causality · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is actually redundant but it was rewarded with "Funny" because it implies that Monroe has lots of sex. You guys like Monroe and heaven forbid if you could separate the moderation guidelines from your personal feelings. Therefore, this is complimentary of Monroe and gets modded up. I made a very similar post that, while intended to be humorous, could have been taken as derogatory of Monroe since it suggested that the three-fourths part did not include sex, so I get modded down into oblivion. That's alright; to be honest, in hindsight, I don't think my own post was any good and it probably deserves the moderation it received. However, this post is a carbon copy of mine and was modded up. I contend that either they are both funny or they are both redundant.

    The reason why I complain about the mods from time to time is because the moderation guidelines are well-written and easy to understand, yet I never see any consistency. It seems like there's always a matter of fanboy-ism that reduces moderation to a matter of popularity (in this case, Monroe's popularity). For an unrelated example, did you know that if someone does a good deal of research, shares his findings, and explains why he came to the conclusion that he did, that he deserves an Informative mod even if you hate his fucking guts and can't stand any of his opinions? That if you want to tell him how much you hate and disagree with him, the way to do it is by posting a response and not by abusing the moderation system? I'm just not seeing that kind of maturity and that's a shame, as Slashdot is one of the few places where it could be possible.

    Do I give a shit about a few points when I have more than enough karma to burn? Not really. Do I give a shit about the rampant, childish, nothing-exists-beyond-my-personal-feelings knee-jerk type of attitude that I am seeing more and more often? Yes, that one does bother me, for it tells me that the culture (be it a Web site or a nation) is heading in the wrong direction.

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    1. Re:Now it makes sense by Zarel · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is actually redundant but it was rewarded with "Funny" because it implies that Monroe has lots of sex. You guys like Monroe and heaven forbid if you could separate the moderation guidelines from your personal feelings. Therefore, this is complimentary of Monroe and gets modded up. I made a very similar post that, while intended to be humorous, could have been taken as derogatory of Monroe since it suggested that the three-fourths part did not include sex, so I get modded down into oblivion. That's alright; to be honest, in hindsight, I don't think my own post was any good and it probably deserves the moderation it received. However, this post is a carbon copy of mine and was modded up. I contend that either they are both funny or they are both redundant.

      No, the difference is that Munroe's original intention in saying "do math, play with staple guns, mess around on the Internet, and have lots of sex. It's about three-fourths autobiographical" was to imply that he does not "have lots of sex". Thus, pointing this out is redundant (because Munroe is already attempting to point it out), while misinterpreting it to mean he doesn't play with staple guns is humorous. Understand the difference?

      Believe me, your post would have been funny if you weren't just pointing out what Munroe was trying to say.

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    2. Re:Now it makes sense by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Undoubtedly there is abuse of moderation, but this is not an example of it. I'll be charitable and assume you thought you were highlighting an amusing and unintended interpretation, but I'm pretty sure the original was intended to be interpreted that way - it was a deliberate joke, but perhaps subtle enough that you thought you were making the joke. Perhaps you though you were posting an amusing interpretation, but to those who got the joke you were just posting an explanation. Explanations of jokes aren't funny.

      The GP's post on the other hand is not the same joke, it subverts the original joke and it's funny.

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  28. Re:-1 Redundant by nacturation · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not news. We already know xkcd is funny and the New Yorker isn't. Dinosaurs in 1999 B.C.? Is this guy some kind of unfunny creationist?

    What you completely missed is that it's a political jab at Palin. See this if you don't get it.

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  29. Re:Meh... by vistic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Agreed. I actually really like Robin Williams a lot... but only when he's acting in dramatic roles. He was great in One Hour Photo, for example. He really is able to make me feel depressed or sad quite well.

    Whenever he tries to be funny, I really think he's trying too hard, and I actually feel sorry for him. ...!

    Come to think of it... he's really good at making me feel depressed or sad no matter what he's trying to do.

  30. Alt-text by brucmack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the things that makes xkcd funny is the alt-text... I missed having that here.

  31. Re:It's a tie. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Katz used a GameShark to change which comics to draw. The fourth comic originally was supposed to be on animals and the early years of Bauhaus. Matz waited until Munroe had drawn his thing and than manipulated the address so the topic now was favourite foods. Clearly cheating.

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  32. Re:Hmmm... by mollymoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hang on, did I just offer to make some guy on the internet horny for $5? I feel so... dirty.

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