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UK UFO Sightings Declassified, Still No Intergalactic Relations

schwit1 is just one of the massive flood of readers (and publications) writing to tell us about the recently declassified UK Ministry of Defense account of a supposed UFO sighting. Included are nineteen sightings between 1986 and 1992, with the most notable being a sighting in 1991 with a US Air Force pilot's first-hand account. Not that this lends an air of credibility to anything, just more papers with more words. "Almost 200 such files will be made available by the MoD over the next four years. [...] UFO expert and journalism lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University, Dr David Clarke, said the documents would shed new light on relatively little-known sightings. He said some conspiracy theorists would already have decided that the release of the papers was a 'whitewash.' He added: 'Because the subject is bedevilled by charlatans and lunatics, it is career suicide to have your name associated with UFOs, which is a real pity. The National Archives are doing a fantastic job here. Everyone brings their own interpretation. Now you can look at the actual primary material — the stuff coming into the MoD every day — and make your own mind up.'"

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  1. And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The U.S. government weren't trying to cover up aliens at places like Roswell, they were covering up their secret spy aircraft. Why do you think most of these "UFO cover-ups" involved strange craft spotted near isolated air force bases at the height of the Cold War? Project Blue Book wasn't about little green men, it was about making sure no one had gotten a good look at their latest prototype stealth planes and also checking to see if any hillbillies might have actually spotted any Soviet spy planes in the area.

    No alien civilization is expending the mammoth amount of resources needed to traverse the vast distances of interstellar space just to stick a probe up your ass. Deal with it.

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    1. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But what will I do with my tinfoil hat collection?

    2. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No alien civilization is expending the mammoth amount of resources needed to traverse the vast distances of interstellar space just to stick a probe up your ass. Deal with it.

      yeah, but, it's more PC to say, "Aliens stuck a probe up my ass!" than saying "I stuck a probe up my ass because I LIKE IT!"

      I'll still blame the aliens thank you very much!

    3. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by CorporateSuit · · Score: 5, Funny

      No alien civilization is expending the mammoth amount of resources needed to traverse the vast distances of interstellar space just to stick a probe up your ass. Deal with it.

      I think you underestimate the driving power of finding inlets of pornography.

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    4. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Considering that most of the people whose asses they probe are smelly rednecks with beer guts and only a few teeth, I would question their taste. You travel 100's of light years, only to forgo probing Natalie Portman for some trailer park skank?!?! Aliens are indeed strange.

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    5. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by Saffaya · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well then, you will have to explain why you can see flying saucers on medieval paintings, or exactly what the belgian F-16 were chasing above their territory, and which went through the sound barrier over urban areas without producing any supersonic bang.

      I have seen on television the videos of the F-16's radar when in pursuit of those. The commentary didn't mention any numbers, but as I recognized a familiar layout from my FALCON (ATARI ST) days, I did check the illuminated target speed indicator. It went from 400K to 700K in a matter of seconds.
      It is publicly known the intruder lost the F-16 in pursuit behind like leaves in the wind.

      Belgium is a small country and is maybe one of the few to have a fighter air force but no official, government-run public relation service in charge of explaining that everything people see is either a meteor or a piece of rocket burning on reentry.

    6. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Which medieval paintings are those? And are you seriously citing your knowledge of radar screens based on an Atari game?

    7. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you think the parent is insightful read this ...

      During the 1942 Battle of Los Angeles the military instituted a mandatory black out of the entire city of LA & fired 1400+ Anti-Aircraft rounds at a single, quoting the military, "unidentified aircraft." This lasted for more than an hour. Despite numerous confirmed hits the craft remained airborne and eventually flew off without ever being identified. (Read the 1942 LA times article).

      In 1948 green fireballs were seen over the south-western skies of the US near nuclear weapons research sites. Famous meteoriticist Dr. Lincoln La Paz declared they weren't normal meteors. In 1949 the USAF started Project Twinkle under the direction of Dr. Anythony Mirachi.

      The study concluded in a now declassified report that cinetheodolites had tracked 4 objects traveling at an "altitude of ~150K ft" (~28.5 miles!), were "30 ft. in diameter", & traveling at an "undeterminable, yet high speed." Mirachi went on to later criticize a Time magazine article that claimed there was no proof to support the existence of UFOs.

      Mirachi wrote, "There was too much evidence in favor of saucers to say they could have all been balloons. 'I was conducting the main investigation. The government had to depend on me or my branch for information.' He said he didn't see how the Navy could say there had been no concrete evidence of the phenomena." (see here for more details)

      Also in 1948 Dr. J. Allen Hynek, a self-proclaimed skeptic, joined Project Blue Book as a scientific adviser. By 1969 when Blue Book was shutdown Hynek did an about face. He wrote several books, particularly, "The Hynek UFO Report" which repeatedly stated that the attitude of Blue Book was, "it can't be therefore it isn't."

      He also gave an interview, available on YouTube, where he said, "I was there at Blue Book and I know the job they had. They were told not to excite the public, don't rock the boat, & I saw it [with] my own eyes. ... The cases that were very difficult to explain they would jump handsprings to keep the media away from that." He later went on to found the Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS).

      July 13 - 29th of 1952, over the skies of Washington DC, numerous UFOs were seen by observers on the ground, in the air, & tracked on radar. The situation escalated & General Samford, the Director of Intelligence of the USAF, held an emergency press conference. When asked by a reporters what people were seeing he suggested the lights on the ground may have looked like they were in the air because inversions act like an "air lens" & bend light rays. He added that something similar could have "tricked" radar in to thinking it was tracking aerial targets. (http://ufologie.net/htm/usa1952.htm)

      In 1969 an Air Force scientific report titled "Quantitative Aspects of Mirages" (Menkello, F.G. Report No. 6112, USAF, Environmental Technical Applications Center) made it clear inversion strong enough to create the visual effect described during the 1952 press-conference could not exist in earth's atmosphere.

      1956 at Bentwater/Lakenheath an object was sighted by several military officers on the ground while simultaneously tracked on radar at 2 different stations. The object moved at ~4000 mph and was monitored for several hours during which two planes were scrambled.

      When the 1st DeHavilland Venom locked on to the object the UFO shot to the rear of the plane. The pilot tried evasive maneuvers, couldn't break free & eventually had to return to base to refuel.

      The 2nd plane encountered mechanical difficulties as it flew within range of the object. The US sponsored Condon Report had this to say, "

    8. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by Gat0r30y · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obligatory Calvin and Hobbes quote: Sometimes I think the surest sign intelligent life exists in the universe is that none of it has come here.

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    9. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by Jonny_eh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not impossible that we're being secretly monitored by aliens that don't want to be seen, yet are seen by drunks and paranoidians anyways. It's just that rational thinking people are skeptical. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, and all that.

    10. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by Jim+Hall · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... are you seriously citing your knowledge of radar screens based on an Atari game?

      Laugh now, but when the revolution comes, I am the one who will fly the TIE fighters to save humanity. I have countless hours of simulation time to prove it. :-)

      Similar training has also taught me the best way to win a firefight (like let's say, Iraq or Vietnam or WW2 Germany) is to bunny hop diagonally, then make a rocket-jump to higher ground! Seriously, the guvmint needs to apply this to our armed forces training now!

    11. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, it's possible. It's also possible that unicorns are real, and are just really good at hiding.

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    12. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are also dragons in medieval paintings. "You will have to explain why" they don't exist or else, obviously, we must accept that dragons are real. It's well known that the fire of a dragon's breath goes "from 400K to 700K in a matter of seconds," so we can safely say this is confirmed by ironclad modern empirical evidence!

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    13. Re:And before you U.S. UFO conspirists chime in... by afabbro · · Score: 5, Informative

      Regarding medieval paintings, I think this is the kind of idiocy being referred to.

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  2. Don't be silly. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do you really think the MoD (or the CIA, NSA, etc.) are going to provide us with the real deal? Of course it's a whitewa.....NO, NO NOT THE ANAL PROBE AGAIN!!!

  3. Cause & Effect by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it is career suicide to have your name associated with UFOs

    Not career suicide, just a hilariously pointless hobby like squirrel eating ... or Warcraft.

    Something that's always bothered me about Alien sightings and 'abductions' is that the sightings really didn't kick off until 1897 which coincides closely with the release of the War of the Worlds. And, interestingly enough, alien abductions didn't really take off until the 1960s when movies about abductions had been in circulation since the 50s (as any devout MST3K fan knows).

    Aside from a few odd reportings (and maybe a few religions) the above holds true.

    We are human beings, we have awesome imaginations and a multitude of chemicals that effect them. I don't know what it's like to be coked out in an opium den or suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning but I think a lot of UFO stuff is pretty much a direct result of the human psyche, not extraterrestrials.

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    1. Re:Cause & Effect by geogob · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not career suicide, just a hilariously pointless hobby like squirrel eating ... or Warcraft.

      A career suicide indeed it is. We have had a good example here, in Canada. A scientist for the Defence Research and Development Canada, a DND department responsible for military research projects in Canada, lost his job a few years back.

      During his free time, that scientist worked on the active SETI project. He was always meticulous about keeping is work separate from his hobby, but Radio-Canada was not. During a prime time interview, they captioned his name with the title "scientist for the Canadian defense" or something like that.

      From what I heard, his career as a military scientist was promptly ended following that media "incident".

    2. Re:Cause & Effect by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Something that's always bothered me about Alien sightings and 'abductions' is that the sightings really didn't kick off until 1897

      That's wrong. They were happening before 1897, but instead of "aliens" they were blamed on "angels" "demons" or simply "the gods".

      There are highly detailed accounts of "otherworldly" abductions going back to the Sumerians, who sort of invented language. That's a pretty long time ago.

      I'm not saying that there have ever been real "otherworldly" abductions alien or otherwise, but to say that they started in 1897 is just plain wrong.

      It's amazing that it's taken as obvious that there's no such thing as UFOs (which as many as 80% of Americans believe in) but you'll get modded as flamebait if you suggest that there's no such thing as God (in which about the same number of Americans believe).

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    3. Re:Cause & Effect by timholman · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We are human beings, we have awesome imaginations and a multitude of chemicals that effect them. I don't know what it's like to be coked out in an opium den or suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning but I think a lot of UFO stuff is pretty much a direct result of the human psyche, not extraterrestrials.

      The older you get, the more you realize just how fallible human perception and memory truly are, and how amazingly easy it is to fall prey to self-delusion. That pretty much describes every UFO believer I've ever met.

      What is actually very fascinating is to learn about (and sometime experience!) the psychological manifestations that have been attributed to alien visitation. True story: several years ago, my mother called me on the phone to tell me that she had experienced an episode of sleep paralysis. She had the classic symptoms: an inability to move coupled with hallucinations of someone (or something) being in the bedroom with her. She didn't know what had happened to her until I told her about the phenomenon, and how throughout history people had attributed sleep paralysis episodes to supernatural or extraterrestrial visitation.

      What was truly bizarre is that I experienced my own episode of sleep paralysis just a few nights later. I awoke in a panic, unable to move and absolutely certain that something was in the room with me. After about 30 seconds I broke out of it and jumped out of bed. Even though I intellectually knew what had happened to me, I didn't go back to sleep until I had checked the house for intruders. The feeling of another presence in the room with me was that strong.

      I knew what had happened to me by the next morning: my mother's description of her experience, coupled with the power of suggestion, had induced a similar experience in my own mind. Since then, neither my mother or I have suffered a second episode. It was a very sobering reminder to me that even rigorous education and scientific training are not always proof against the psychological tricks of one's own brain.

    4. Re:Cause & Effect by bogjobber · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I really recommend Carl Sagan's book The Demon-Haunted World. A decent amount of the book is focused on this phenomenon, with several scientific explanations for why people have abduction dreams. There are the obvious ones (a traumatic event that damages your mind, unconsciously covering up abuse, plain old lying) but the mind is capable of some crazy things.

      What many abduction believers are conscious of, but don't really take into account, is that normal people hallucinate all the time. Most people do it every day, although not very vividly. It can be triggered by anything, but it is especially common when you are waking or doing something monotonous and repetitive (such as driving while tired). Everything from tiny daydreams to full out trips are possible if your brain is in a certain state.

      Some people can have vivid hallucinations quite regularly without drugs or anything unusual in their body. When that happens their mind goes to extraordinary things (no one hallucinates about doing their laundry). Little kids see monsters. If you watch sci-fi movies, maybe you'll see aliens. If you spend your time at a hellfire and brimstone church maybe you'll see demons. How many times have you woken up from a dream and it took you a long time to realize that you were awake?

      The scientific method is the only way to examine these things in a neutral way. There's nothing wrong with believing that there might be UFO's. But until there is proof you can't claim that anything extraordinary like that exists. Right now there isn't even crappy evidence, let alone enough to prove something that incredible.

    5. Re:Cause & Effect by inviolet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Some people can have vivid hallucinations quite regularly without drugs or anything unusual in their body. When that happens their mind goes to extraordinary things (no one hallucinates about doing their laundry). Little kids see monsters. If you watch sci-fi movies, maybe you'll see aliens. If you spend your time at a hellfire and brimstone church maybe you'll see demons. How many times have you woken up from a dream and it took you a long time to realize that you were awake?

      Yes... and what's more, there is a documented psychological disorder in which people cannot tell the difference between past imaginings versus past events. I forget the name of the disorder now, but it is serious business and common enough to be responsible for all of the abduction stories and a great many criminal accusations. Let this be yet another compelling reason to never ever convict a person based on the testimony of a single witness.

      Treatment for the disorder is palliative, at least for now. People who have the disorder are taught to frame their mental picture with a colored border so that later on, when they recall the memory, they'll see the border and know it wasn't real.

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  4. I beg to disagree by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Funny

    No alien civilization is expending the mammoth amount of resources needed to traverse the vast distances of interstellar space just to stick a probe up your ass. Deal with it.

    To counter your wildly irresponsible statements, I offer proof.

  5. Re:What UFO conspiracy theorists REALLY want by Emperor+Zombie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Foolish Earth meat-creature, there are no aliens here! Just thinking about this ridiculous idea makes my vocal tubes swell with mirth! Ho ho!

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  6. UFO != alien apacecraft by Itninja · · Score: 5, Informative

    Say it with me folks.... UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. Of course UFO's exist! If a flaming dead cat is dropped from an airplane at night, and no one can identify it, it's a UFO. Anything that cannot readily be identified, and that flies, is a UFO. Now, whether some of these UFOs are alien spacecraft is an entirely different matter. Of course, once a UFO is identified as an alien spacecraft, it would then cease to be a UFO at all.

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  7. The US has a good UFO detection system by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    Interestingly, the US has had, for several decades, a system which can detect UFOs - GEODSS, the Ground Based-Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance System. Each GEODSS site (there are three currently active, plus a mobile unit) has a pair of 40-inch telescopes. These were the first fully computerized telescopes, working since the 1980s. The telescopes scan the sky every night. They can detect moving bright objects as streaks, but there's more capability than that. They have a star atlas, and know what should be in each image, so anything that shouldn't be there is detected. If a known star is missing, that's interesting too; it may indicate a dark object. There are two telescopes, so for low-orbit objects, they can get parallax. Multiple sites can be coupled together to get parallax on more distant objects. They can even use one telescope with a laser to illuminate satellites while taking a picture with the other. This is how the USAF finds new satellites, near-earth asteroids, and nonmetallic space junk. The system was recnelty upgraded to use CCD imagers (it used to be tube camera based) and to use better alignment algorithms, so it's now both more sensitive and more accurate.

    This is all tied to NORAD in Colorado Springs. GEODSS knows what an incoming ICBM trajectory looks like, and if it ever sees one, NORAD gets notified, without any action from the GEODSS site operators.

    GEODSS is a real, live, functional UFO detection system that's been running for decades. If anything big enough to be interesting was anywhere near the planet for more than a few hours, it would be noticed. Even the target didn't reflect radar or light, it could be detected because it would occasionally occult a star.

  8. Why don't we have more pictures of UFOs? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are literally tens-of-millions (if not hundreds of millions) more cameras in the hands of the residents of the planet earth than there were even 15 years ago. Cameras in phones, cameras in purses, cameras in trunks of cars, cameras in PDAs, the list goes on. Most of the cameras also shoot video.

    As a consequence we have many more pictures of police misconduct and celebrity's privates than we ever have in the past, but we have no noticeable increases in the numbers of good UFO pictures (or good sasquatch pics for that matter).

    If the number of UFOs are constant, and there are many more cameras, why aren't we seeing many more pictures flooding the intertubes?

  9. Re:A Moderation Haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

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    Use seventeen syllables
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