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Alternatives to Daylight Saving Time?

Wellington Grey writes "Daylight saving time almost upon us. The arguments about its possible benefits and drawbacks come up twice every year. Does it save energy or lives? Possibly, but it does definitely cause a great deal of inconvenience. My question is this: what do you think would be the best possible system to replace DST with? What is the best way for humans to deal with the inconsistent amount of light over the year and still foster coordination over disparate time zones?"

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  1. No replacement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does it need replacement? Just get rid of it altogether...

  2. This is not a problem by slashname3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do away with DST. If people want/need to get up earlier or later to take advantage of the daylight then JUST GET UP EARLIER OR LATER! There is no good reason to change the clock backward and forward. Lots of places don't do it and they don't have any problems. STOP DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME!

    1. Re:This is not a problem by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DST served a useful purpose at one time. It *does* reduce energy usage...for lighting. Back in the early part of the 20th century, the largest portion of home electrical usage was for lighting. Nowadays it's such a small part this savings has no measurable effect.

      The effect it does have is actually increasing energy usage as people crank on the AC when they get home earlier in the daylight of afternoon and it's hotter. And AC is vastly more expensive to operate than a bulb.

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    2. Re:This is not a problem by snl2587 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It was implemented before mankind had the ability to control light.

      Be that as it may, I'm one to prefer natural light over artificial light, and it is simply not an option to change my schedule. The way I see it, DST year-round is much better. It really comes down to personal preference, though, which makes it really hard for any democratic-ish countries to change it.

    3. Re:This is not a problem by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly this. If it's too dark when you get up or when you want to open your business, don't change the clock, change the time you get up or open your business.

      If that's too hard, lets have DST year round. Standard time is only in effect for a couple months anyway. Keeping DST through the winter would keep it light when most people get off work, which is when it actually matters anyway. I know I'd rather get up in the dark, and have an hour of daylight after work to play with, rather than getting up at dawn and wasting that hour getting ready for work.

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  3. Get rid of it by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See subject. Then make everyone talk in UTC. That should do it.

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    1. Re:Get rid of it by camperdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then make everyone talk in UTC. That should do it.

      Almost. Everybody should be using 24 hour time as well. ie, it's now 20:40.

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  4. Re:Move to Arizona by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I grew up in AZ - moved to a state that does daylight savings a couple years ago. I hate it. I never felt any lack for not having it or thought, "Gee, I wished we messed with the clocks twice a year."
     
    We should replace it with nothing. Just eliminate it. It would simplify life at no cost.

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  5. Re:Move to Arizona by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, once the government has adopted something you can't get rid of it. You can change it for better or worse (usually worse) but it is there for ever.

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  6. Nuke it! by jordandeamattson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Daylight Savings Time has enormous costs and very little value in return.

    We should get read of it and say, "Good riddance..."

    If there are issues with available daylight in a particular area, then the times of events should be adjusted accordingly. If it is to dark at 7 AM for kids to go out in order to reach school at 8 AM, then push back the start time of school, etc., to 9 AM.

    In reality, this is what Daylight Savings Time does, but at much greater cost.

  7. Re:Internet Required by Stiletto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The worldwide inter-connectedness of business is a strong argument AGAINST the 9-5 schedule. What good is standardizing on "9-5" when your customer on the west coast and your partners in India, Japan, and England all have their own, different 9-5?

    Who the hell even picked 9 and 5, and what makes those particular numbers so special that everyone has to change our entire time system twice a year to make sure those are always work hours?

    If every business adopted a very simple "go to work when you have to and leave when you have to" policy, we wouldn't care what the damn clock said, and would need neither time zones nor daylight saving time.

  8. Re:Move to Arizona by szark · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, once the government has adopted something you can't get rid of it. You can change it for better or worse (usually worse) but it is there for ever.

    Like Prohibition?

  9. Re:Move to Arizona by kramulous · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate it also. I live in Queensland, Australia and we don't do daylight savings. The southern part of Australia, Sydney and Melbourne do have it and constantly complain that we don't. See, they are the centre of the universe and because they do, we must.

    Never mind that we live closer to the equator, it is bloody hot outside during the day and who on earth, apart from tourists, want to go out in that sun in the middle of the day. It burns!

    I'm an early riser. I get up hours before I have to go to work. That's when I clean and shit, so when I come home I can chillax. Many do the same. If you want daylight savings so you can see more daylight, adjust your own clock.

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  10. Currently living in Arizona by logicassasin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Moved here from Michigan 5 years ago. I don't miss DST at all. I just know that when I wake up at 5am, during the spring/summer, it's nearly broad daylight and in the colder months it's pitch black out. Right now, it's pitch black at 5am, at 5:30, I see some sunlight, by the time I get in my car at 6-615:am, it's daylight.

    Right now, I see the idiodicy of DST. You don't actually get more daylight, we just fool you into thinking you do.

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  11. Re:Internet Required by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think they picked 9-5 As Sunrise as 8:00 is the latest time (without DST adjustment) the sun comes up the North Part of the United States. Allowing people of pre-alarm clock days to wake up when the sun rises. Enough time to prepare for work and get there an hour later. As for the 5 it is 8 hours later. Probably 8 hours as it can easily split up your day. 8 hours for sleeping, 8 hours for work, 8 hours of your own time... A healthy balance approach. As Well it can be split into 2 4 hour increments falling in the middle at noon for Lunch, and using the AM/PM to really help divide the day. As well 5:00 is when the sun sets on the shortest days of the year. So in general allowing lighted working conditions during your work day.

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  12. Re:Move to Arizona by evanbd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, now we have the new Prohibition, in the form of the War on Some Drugs. Except this time around they decided they could do it without an amendment.

  13. Re:Move to Arizona by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A comment indicitive of someone who lives relatively close to the equator. For those of us who see a 6-12 hour difference in the number of daylight hours it can make a real difference.

  14. Just use Standard Time by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Daylight Saving Time really only works (if it works at all) for a narrow range of latitudes.

    Too far south and the sun sets at the same time all year anyway. Too far north and the sun sets ridiculously late in the summer, and sets very early in the winter. Few of our southern hemisphere friends live far enough south for this to be an issue. Anybody here from Ushuaia?

    Even here, in southern Canada (49 degrees north), the sun sets at 1600 in the winter. If we didn't mess with time zones the sun would set at 2000 in the summer, and it isn't really dark until nearly 2200. How much later do you want it to set?

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  15. Re:Move to Arizona by electrictroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >>>What is the best way for humans to deal with the inconsistent amount of light over the year

    The electric lightbulb. Specifically a 5 watt compact fluorescent. It's amazing how I can pretend it's daytime even when it's 4 a.m. in the morning. A marvelous invention, and I no longer care if the sun is up or not, and DST is irrelevant.

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  16. The Sun is not a bulb by violet16 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not to stereotype Slashdot readers or anything, but I notice nobody sees any difference between sunlight and electric light. If you go outdoors during the day, you may be surprised to find daylight has many ambient properties not provided by your basement's fluorescent bulb (warmth, happy feelings, etc).

  17. Re:Move to Arizona by zakureth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This might sound a little crazy but stick with me here:

    If the daylight hours are changing such that you are not getting daylight at times that best match your schedule: change your schedule, not the clocks.

    It's so crazy it could actually work...

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