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Half of American Doctors Often Prescribe Placebos

damn_registrars writes "'Half of all American doctors responding to a nationwide survey say they regularly prescribe placebos to patients. The results trouble medical ethicists, who say more research is needed to determine whether doctors must deceive patients in order for placebos to work.' The study just quoted goes on to say that the drugs most often used as placebo are headache pills, vitamins, and antibiotics. Studies on doctors in Europe and New Zealand have found similar results."

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  1. Unfortunately, they have to. by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have friends and relatives who get the Flu and run off to the doctor to get a prescription. I try to explain, that antibiotics won't help a viral infection but people just want to take a pill. It doesn't cost me any money for my time when I'm talking about it with them, but for a doctor time is money. He can lose money and potentially go out of business because every asshole who walks through the door wants or needs pills to feel better or he can just give them placebo and get on with his day.

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  2. this pisses me off by MadUndergrad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Antibiotics shouldn't be prescribed all willy-nilly. It just helps in the creation of super bugs.

  3. Re:this pisses me off by schon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How can doctors get away with this?

    They're "getting away" with it because frequently it's in the best interest of their patients.

    With the cost of medicine, how dare they make people go out and buy something they don't need.

    They don't *make* people go out and do anything.

    Most likely, people go to the doctor and expect to walk away with a prescription. The doctor has two choices:

    1. give them a placebo, and tell them what to do to really fix the problem (bed rest or more exercise, as applicable to the situation.)

    2. explain to them that a pill won't fix anything, and what they need to do to fix the problem.

    If the doctor tells them 1, the patient walks away happy.

    If the doctor tells them 2, the patient resents the doctor and ignores the advice about what to do to really get healthy.

    How about honesty and good bedside manner?

    Honesty and good bedside manner don't go very far when people are told by big pharmaceutical companies that there is a pill to cure everything.

  4. Re:this pisses me off by Farmer+Pete · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If placebos didn't work, then doctors wouldn't prescribe them. I guess the better question is how can we give people placebos without them realizing it's a placebo? I don't personally agree with giving out antibiotics as placebos. The trick is, with the internet, deceiving your patients is getting pretty hard.

  5. Re:this pisses me off by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Antibiotics shouldn't be prescribed all willy-nilly. It just helps in the creation of super bugs.

    Depending on age, 14% to 30% of patients either skip doses or do not finish their regimen of antibiotics.

    That is much more worrisome than the over prescription of antibiotics, because when someone sick doesn't finish their meds, you know that whatever is leftover gets stronger.

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  6. This is a crap study and Title is WRONG by spineboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    First of all, they polled internist and Rheumatologists, many of whom were treating patients with fibromyalgia. Rheumatologists often wind up treating patients that no one can figure out why they "hurt", and thus often get patients with psychosomatic illnesses. Fibromyalgia is a diagnosis that patients state they hurt in many different places in their body, and no test, MRI or CT scan can show anything wrong. These patients often have depression, and the problem is usually best treated with anti-depressant type medications.
    So the population of doctors sampled in this study is not typical at all of a normal population of doctors anyway.
    "Headache"pills, or anti-inflamatories, are quite useful in relieving body aches and pains, and to call them a placebo is just plain wrong. Just go tell the patient with bad bone on bone osteoarthritis that the pill really doesn't do anything, and see how wrong you are. They really work very well.
    Surgeons often do peer review their procedures - at least orthopaedic ones The journals are filled with articals every month describing how well, or how poorly a technique works.

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    1. Re:This is a crap study and Title is WRONG by wamerocity · · Score: 5, Interesting
      One of the professors at my med school gave a presentation that these psychosomatic problems of fibromyalgia are anything but. She summed up her research showing what happens if you tie a string around the dorsal root of one of the spinal nerves (the sensory part) which caused incredible pain. The string dissolves in a few weeks and they measured how long it takes for the pain to subside. They would measure the pain by touching the paw of the rat with a very small probe to see how much pressure it would take before it would lift its foot (or the pain became too much). Even using the largest gauge (smallest probe) the rat would lift its paw, but gradually it would allow more pressure as time went on the the string dissolved.

      The problem was in elderly rats, they found that the pain didn't go away after the string dissolved. On top of that, they found that even though there was nothing sending the signal to the spinal chord to signal pain, after the rats reached a certain age, the spinal chord would still continue to send the signals to the brain even though there was no original pain stimulus. I.E. The spinal chord was creating a pain stimulus without a cause. A dorsal rhizotomy didn't fix it, pain medication helped for a bit (but like all pain meds became ineffectual over time. People with fibromyalgia don't have pain because they depressed, if anything it's the other way around - they are depressed because they are often in agonizing pain.

      The paper will be published pretty soon. I'll post a link later if anyone cares.

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