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Discuss the US Presidential Election & the Economy
A number of folks have been submitting topics that indicate that they want to have a serious discussion on the issues surrounding this election. Since we're under a week now, I've decided to run a series of discussion stories to give you guys a place to discuss the issue. So here's the first one: The Economy. It's the biggest topic these days, eclipsing even war as the most important issue to most Americans. But how will that affect your choice next week? And why?
When the actual returns came, the left was shocked. They will be again.
waitaminnit? there's a left-wing candidate?
maybe we all should take a look at the political compass' left/right analysis of the candidates before we start throwing around phrases like "left wing".
bottom line: the american election is a contest between two versions of right-wing politics.
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What has the government done for ME, personally, that's worth 15 grand?
Your contribution bought almost four seconds' worth of War in Iraq. You can show your appreciation to GWB by voting Obama next Tuesday, or you can vote for the 72 year old douchebag who wants to keep fighting for 100 more years.
Seriously, dude; shut the fuck up. People earning the minimum wage in this country don't even earn $15,000 in one year. If you earn enough to pay that much in taxes and can't get it together to live EXCEEDINGLY comfortably, then you're an idiot.
I could give a hoot about the economy. I don't give a fig if we all live under a tree with a blanket as long as we get these republicans out, out and out of government. It's either that or storm the castle and build a gallows!
> I like how helping poor, sick bastards is now considered "redistribution". Last I
> checked that was just being a decent fucking person.
I'll stick to small words to give you a chance to get a clue.
If you help a poor sick bastard there is a good chance that you might actually help the guy. You gain Karma for the deed.
When the Government takes your money (under threat of jail or death by cop) and gives it to that same 'poor sick bastard' the poor bastard only becomes dependent on more welfare. Instead of gaining Karma you just lose a sack of cash you could almost certainly put to better use, one of which would have been helping the poor bastard. The Congresscritters gain no Karma for buying votes with other people's money.
Democrat delenda est
Sorry, but I get my news and information from a variety of sources, INCLUDING Fox. Let me tell you, NBCABCCBSCNNPBS isn't any better.
In fact, if you get your news from one place or a select few, you're already showing a bias. If you won't watch Fox News because of things you think you've read somewhere else, then you're probably mistaken.
Most people who criticize FOX don't know why they are criticizing it, they just jump on the "Fox is bad" bandwagon.
Is there crap coming from FOX? Sure enough. Same can be said of the other news organizations, which is WHY one needs a variety of sources, and get all perspectives.
The saddest part of all of this is that the press has done a horrible job this election. Most of the press is practically humping Obama's leg, and I can't believe that he only has a 4% lead considering it. THAT is the real story this election, why does a person who has all the money, all the free press proclaiming him Messiah, all the wonderful articles in the NYT manage only a 4% "lead".
I'd be embarrassed if I were the (D).
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Well, if you like that kind of thing...feel free to move there.
Isn't choice a wonderful thing?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
My assumption was wrong. You are a troll.
In one post, you tried to redefine socialism just as I told you not to do, you ignore the clarification I gave you on the 'redistributive change' canard, and then you tell me to read a link that you never provided (and the link that I think you wanted to give me doesn't support your point, but rather mine).
If that's not the work of a troll, it's a sad commentary on how willful and blind ignorance can be.
Genocide Man -- Life is funny. Death is funnier. Mass murder can be hilarious.
Example: LA Times Obama Video: Rashid Khalidi
One article in a single news paper 6 months ago. No followups, no other coverage, no interviewing people who were there, no NY Times article either, no reports on CBSNBCABCCNNPBS either.
The question is, which is more important Palin's 150K wardrobe or more ties to radical extremists by BO?
Maybe you care more about $150K wardrobe than BO's associations, and that is fair enough. But to claim the coverage has been "fair" is laughable.
Mind you, I'm not voting for McCain, because he's too "Mavericky" for my tastes. I'm voting 3rd party because I can't stand either the (R) or the (D) anymore. They both SUCK.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Does not mean equality.
I guess you didn't have to learn the Preamble to the Constitution in school. Don't worry, I've found most liberals have no idea about why our country was founded.
I spent 3 years after college living on $18-20k a year washing dishes. I didn't collect a dime of welfare or use any form of government support, or receive support from family members. Lets make this perfectly clear.
Did you, or did you not live in a rural area? Then you *were* on welfare. That is perfectly clear. Just because you didn't sign up for general assistance doesn't mean you're not on welfare. Did you have a phone? Electricity? Utilities? Then you were on fucking welfare paid for by me and the rest of the urban dwellers.
The point that I'm really trying to get accost here is that it's very possible to live off $20k in 90% of the US. The people that have problems, are having problems due to their own stupidity.
The point that I'm trying to get across is that if you live in a rural area then you can not even accurately assess that without taking into account all of the welfare payments you receive if you live in a rural area. If you don't count those, then you're lying plain and simple. You can not live on the same amount if you're paying the bills for the welfare states/areas. That's a plain and simple fact.