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Discuss the US Presidential Election & the Economy
A number of folks have been submitting topics that indicate that they want to have a serious discussion on the issues surrounding this election. Since we're under a week now, I've decided to run a series of discussion stories to give you guys a place to discuss the issue. So here's the first one: The Economy. It's the biggest topic these days, eclipsing even war as the most important issue to most Americans. But how will that affect your choice next week? And why?
Adjust it for inflation and see what it looks like.
Go green: turn off your refrigerator.
Was is not the Clinton administration that relaxed the lending laws and started this mess.
Well it's clear from Obama's current and past talks that one of his biggest goals is wealth redistribution. Tax cuts for 90% of Americans when 40% don't even pay federal income tax means taking money from those who have it and giving it to those who don't. Beyond the fact that I think taking money from someone at gun point and handing it someone else is just wrong, I also keep failing to see how handing out more money to people who don't earn it is going to help anything. If he came out and said that instead of passing out more checks he was going to start a federal program on mass transit and start building rail and putting people to work I would at least understand the argument.
The Repblican party is trying to loose the election. They know that the economy isn't going to recover in the next 4 years, so they are letting the Democrats be the fall guy. Then in 4 years time they will swoop in and claim to be saving the country from the economic disaster that the Democrats created.
Expect a depression.
I have, for almost a year, told people that I thought McCain will be president. Not that I thought he would be the BEST pres, but that he would make it. I STILL believe this, only because of the skin color issue.
I have a LOT of friends in the South, as well as the North (lived in Texas, spent 20 percent of my time in our offices in the North). None of them are ready to "put the black man in office", although when you talk to them publicly, they all think He's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Do I now think that The Obamaton will be pres... Probably. This has MORE to do with the media coverage than anything.
My MAIN issue with Obamanation is this: You can "council" or scream, or whatever change all you want, but Obamanation is this: An empty suit. WHAT CHANGE? HOW WILL YOU EFFECT IT?
I stand to "profit" from the Obamanation if he becomes president. How so: I am (unfortunately) on assistance these days, due to a motorcycle accident (Can't walk, stand or sit for any extended period of time, makes even the rehab a challenge, but I'm gettin through it). I don't see how or why I should get "more", though, even though I could use it, and would like it, I have a problem with taxing those who have more to give to people in my position.
Oh wait, before this, I WAS a small business owner, owned a home, etc. I know what his plans are.
Obamanation and Jimmy Carter. One in the same, and it's going to play out about the same way.
We, the people, have no clear cut choice anymore. It's the lessor of two evils. That doesn't mean an empty suit should get elected because he shammed a bunch of people with his screaming of change change change... Change what?
Reminds me of an article I saw on Yahoo.com yesterday. Seems most people that group together do so out of a sense of being either scared or insecurity. Has little to nothing to do with actually wanting to group together for the same ideals....
Simply amazing, how much a group of sheeple the education system has spawned. I can remember my teachers teaching me to think for myself, make my own decisions, even if they where NOT popular.
People today would rather be a "part of something" than learn to think for themselves and make their own decisions. Case in point, every person I am close to now is voting for the Obamanation, but none of them can give me a clear cut reason why..... Even my girlfriend can't, other than "I stand to gain more if Obama is in office"... When I asked her how or why, she got pissed because she couldn't answer the question. Same thing of my friends polled in Oregon, Washington and other leftist states.
My parents and grandparents are literally rolling over in their graves I'd assume... Not because a blaq man is going to be elected, not because a democrat is being elected (I marched in Democratic rallies from before I was 2 years old with my mother, flowers and all), but because an empty suit that promised nothing but a buzzword bullshitted his way into office.
(not that the alternatives where much better, but the American populace CHOSE these idiots to put on the pedestals... THAT one makes you think).
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Only terrorists want lower taxes! You should be PROUD to pay for taxes that go to line wealthy pockets!!
Income Tax != Payroll Tax (it's part of a game to call something other than the name it is... how is SS not a federal tax on income? I don't know)
But everybody pays payroll taxes, no matter how little you make. Not so federal income taxes... so the EITC was designed to pay those low income earner back for their payroll taxes.
I hope I'm not sugarcoating it... I certainly don't support it. People complain about "income redistribution" while these people, for over 30 years, have paid no income tax and virtually had their SS retirement paid for them.
But McCain's not going to stop it... in fact, McCain's plan also increases benefits for lower income earners, just not as much as Obama's plan. When Obama wins, it'll because he was able to buy more votes than McCain, but we're all losers either way.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
Would be we in a war Iraq that has coincidentally cost the same as our bailout plan if Al Gore had won?
Absolutely we would. The only difference is that under Gore we would have lost.
Also, Gore would have taken away all of our guns, and would have destroyed our economy with "Global warmming" policies that would have cost our country one hell of a lot more than what we've spent on Iraq and the bailouts combined.
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...by and large the conservative movement has proven itself to be untrustworthy on several fronts and, quite frankly, un-American.
At least the conservatives are right SOME of the time. What we call "liberals" (meaning Left-wingers) in this country are wrong ALL of the time.
So if you're going for a "lesser of the evils" argument (I do not), conservatives win every time.
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I've been reading the comments and metamoderating on this thread. Fully 50% of the stuff here is wholly ignorant, and another 45% is doctrinaire horse manure being peddled by one of the two major party candidates or LOLbertarians. All I can say is: This is a serious discussion?! We're in a lot worse shape than I thought.
Yay more useless nonsense that people get all worked up about... Don't worry your life can go back to normal after Tuesday...you know the day you go into vote for the lesser of 2 evils, you vote for a person to keep the other person out... What a great system...don't worry they will find some state that has to do a "Recount" and then the election gets rigged... Just Don't Vote...everyone, no voting, everywhere, no voting...its the only way to go. http://irishdeath.blogspot.com/
I could either work at my job and pay a percentage in taxes, or I could work at Starbucks and earn so little that I have to pay no taxes. I guess according to you, I should be making shit pay at Starbucks since I wouldn't have to pay taxes.
Dumbass.
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I guess this illegal and fraudulent activity doesn't bother you.
I have a feeling it would if the Republicans were doing it.