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Math Prof Uncovers Secret Chord

chebucto writes "The opening chord to A Hard Day's Night is famous because for 40 years, no one quite knew exactly what chord Harrison was playing. Musicians, scholars and amateur guitar players alike had all come up with their own theories, but it took a Dalhousie mathematician to figure out the exact formula. Dr. Brown used Fourier transforms to find the notes in the chord, and deduced that another George — George Martin, the Beatles producer — also played on the chord, adding a piano chord that included an F note impossible to play with the other notes on the guitar."

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  1. I've heard there was a secret chord by syrinx · · Score: 5, Funny

    That David played, and it pleased the lord,
    but you don't really care for music, do you?

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    1. Re:I've heard there was a secret chord by parkrrrr · · Score: 2, Funny

      I came here to make exactly that post, and I find that someone's already done it. Kudos to you.

    2. Re:I've heard there was a secret chord by Wintermute__ · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few did get it. Even younger music lovers might, that song has enjoyed somewhat of a revival the last few years. And well it should.

      It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah...

    3. Re:I've heard there was a secret chord by bonkeydcow · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah cuase God knows, no one has seen shrek.

    4. Re:I've heard there was a secret chord by olclops · · Score: 3, Funny

      The baffled king determined to carry on a joke well past the breaking point.

    5. Re:I've heard there was a secret chord by lordnabob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Jeff Buckley was born to sing that song.
      Unfortunately, he died shortly after.
      Anyone else cringe when they heard that sublime work of Cohen used in a silly movie like Shrek?

  2. Well, this isn't total crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Decent idle story. Not completely retarded, though still generally meaningless. I can appreciate this kind of stuff, instead of the utter crap idle started out with. I guess it's getting better.

    1. Re:Well, this isn't total crap by stormguard2099 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the problem is that /. designates idle to be full of crap. all of the good articles get shoehorned into other categories. For example, the article about how Heinlein responded to fans with a preformed checklist was under entertainment. Something like that is much better suited to idle and it would make the section worth reading.

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    2. Re:Well, this isn't total crap by hansamurai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is interesting, but the CSS used is still obnoxiously bad.

    3. Re:Well, this isn't total crap by jd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not sure about meaningless - it says ensembles can play chords that either don't exist or cannot be reached on a single instrument. That's quite an interesting observation that has a practical application.

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    4. Re:Well, this isn't total crap by jonadab · · Score: 2, Informative

      Theoretically that depends on the instrument, although most of the major instruments in the standard western music tradition share some of the same limitations, not least that at any given time they are either well-tempered or else justly intoned for a specific key, not both, and certainly not justly intoned for multiple keys at the same time. It is possible to design an instrument that can overcome these limitations and, for instance, play just intervals in multiple keys. But it isn't usual.

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  3. Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why didn't anyone just ask Harrison?

    1. Re:Umm... by capt.Hij · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They probably should have. Unfortunately the only way to ask him now involves a ouija (tm) board.

  4. This Is What "Idle" Should Be Used For. by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Stories like this are actually interesting and have a math/science side to them, instead of being mindless humor that everyone has already seen elsewhere. This is something that a math teacher could show her students to make them interested, more so than all the silly posters and videos they used when I was going through grade school.

  5. Not Lost, just Secret by CelticWhisper · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Moody Blues have been in search of that little bastard since 1968. Can someone call them and tell them it was finally found?

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    1. Re:Not Lost, just Secret by parkrrrr · · Score: 4, Funny

      They wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. They're just singers in a rock & roll band.

    2. Re:Not Lost, just Secret by Abstrackt · · Score: 2, Informative

      The fact that your post got modded informative probably means someone missed the joke. ;) (I know, I know... Or they just wanted to give you karma...)

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  6. Re:You've gotta be kidding me by zn0k · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't get it. Why did it take me less than 30 seconds to figure out how to make anything Idle related disappear from the index, even though I'd never tried before? Please, leave the pointless bitching out off the commends. You know it's lame, we know it's lame, since it is a complete waste of time. Why let it be a complete waste of disk space, cycles and bandwidth?

  7. Re:Simple Solution by neildiamond · · Score: 3, Funny

    Too late!

  8. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You want to talk to a human -- a musician -- when you could be performing a discrete Fourier transform? You must be new here.

  9. Re:So, having Googled... by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are like a million copies of this article verbatim and with the same picture. Here's his page http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~brown/

    and then find these:
    http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?sectioncode=8&storycode=15819
    http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~brown/AHDNSoloJIB.pdf

  10. Not so secret by I'm+a+banana · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a G7sus4 chord. It's never been a secret. http://guitar.about.com/library/blchord_g7sus46.htm

    1. Re:Not so secret by Progman3K · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's a G7sus4 chord. It's never been a secret.

      Not really, the piano is playing a Dsus4.

      If it was as simple as you say it is then people would have been able to recreate it long ago and no one did.

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    2. Re:Not so secret by tompaulco · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm trying to picture it in my head, and It seems like you could get all of the notes from a G7sus4 and a Dsus4 in one chord on a guitar. Those would be F, G, A, C and D. Such a chord could be played with a Barre chord all on the 10th fret with or without muting the low D.
      Maybe it sounds better with the piano though.

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  11. Just to wait for RockBand to have the song by 0x537461746943 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Then we will know for sure. It is probably the red and blue chord.

  12. Right guy, right song, wrong story by jfengel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dr. Brown's work on the opening chord of Hard Day's Night is four years old. His paper is at:

    http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~brown/n-oct04-harddayjib.pdf

    (Note the "oct04" date in the URL).

    His recent work is on the same song, but it's not about the opening chord. It's about the guitar solo (which was actually a duet with the piano), which Harrison played an octave down, at half speed, and then sped up. Which he proved by noticing where the piano notes went from double-strings to triple-strings, as seen by tiny mis-tunings between the strings.

    It's pretty interesting work:

    http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~brown/AHDNSoloJIB.pdf

    (Note: slashdot is just reporting the article, which is new. But it comes from Dr. Brown's own school, so I don't know why they're reporting the wrong story, except to guess that the older story was a well-known mystery among guitarists.)

  13. So What's the chord? by jordan314 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article doesn't actually say what he thinks the chord was. I do music transcriptions (http://jordanbalagot.com/musictranscriptions.html ) and to me it sounds like G7 sus 4 / D. Or actual pitches: D1 G2 G3 C3 F3 G3. I do hear the F in there...If it's not playable on guitar it's possible the Beatles combined two recordings at once of different takes. They used all sorts of innovative recording techniques like that.

  14. The impossible note by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...adding a piano chord that included an F note impossible to play with the other notes on the guitar.

    There are no notes that are impossible to play on a guitar. However, you have to tune the guitar to a nonstandard, non eagbde like Led Zepplin did on a few songs (an example is Black Mountain Side on their first album.

    I have an incredibly hard time playing a B chord; I have to kind of fake it and not hit all the strings. But then I'm no virtuoso, it took me twenty years to learn Starway To Heaven.

    1. Re:The impossible note by 2names · · Score: 4, Funny

      And apparently even longer to spell it...

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    2. Re:The impossible note by bfandreas · · Score: 2, Funny

      No. Starway to Heaven by Creme Brulee. Great band that. Did all the hits. It's a shit business; I'm glad I'm out of it.

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  15. Re:Nobody thought to look at the frequencies?!?!?! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Graphic equalizers often cheat, actually.

    I think the problem is a little more interesting than the story makes it out to be. As you point out, you should be able to recognize the overall chord pretty easily with an FT, but it's not quite as trivial to figure out who's playing what. For that you have to analyze the ratios of the harmonics, which turns into a nasty little decomposition problem when you've got more than one instrument playing the same note.

  16. What about live performances? by brouski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What did he play in concert?

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  17. Re:Simple Solution by mapsjanhere · · Score: 3, Funny

    well, it's a dead human, that ups the challenge

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