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Ubuntu 8.10 Outperforms Windows Vista
Anonymous writes "By now a lot has been reported on the new features and improvements in Ubuntu 8.10; it also looks like the OS is outperforming Vista in early benchmarking (Geekbench, boot times, etc.) At what point does this start to make a difference in the market place?" (And though there are lot of ways to benchmark computers, Ubuntu 8.10 with Compiz Fusion is certainly prettier on my Eee than the Windows XP that it came with.)
Wake up, 8.04 does all those out of the box just fine on my laptop.
People who use actually have used Ubuntu have long been aware that it outperforms XP. Not sure why we have the non-story about it outperforming Vista though...
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Wake up, 8.04 does all those out of the box just fine on my laptop.
Oh, well I guess as long as it works on your laptop, everyone should be happy. Me? I have to jump through hoops just to get to "passable", much less "working".
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We are talking about Ubuntu.
No need for command line , scripts or anything else.
Just install , and if you need something , click on add/remove programs.
It's easier than Windows , where you have to look on different websites to get what you need.
In fact that is the accomplishment , that a very user friendly , though somewhat bulky distro like Ubuntu is outperforming Vista.
Slipping shoelaces ?
7 is to Vista as XP was to 2000. I'm not convinced that Vista is all that bad. People skipped 2000 for the same reasons they say they're skipping Vista. Thing is, both 7 and XP are/were just prettier versions of the core components of the previous version.
My Dell Inspiron came with a Broadcom mini pci-e NIC, didn't work unless I used ndiswrapper. I swapped it for an Intel 4965, and it works much better. Good range, good support (2.6.24 supports it, 2.6.27 supports it even better (packet injection, LED working etc etc). So, ever since 8.04 my wlan has worked like a charm. Strangely, when I run geekbench (32-bit) I get: Overall Geekbench Score: 3197 |||||||||||| Submitting results; this might take a minute or two. Submission failed! Couldn't connect to host. This on a T8300 cpu, 4GB 667 ram.
"When Ubuntu outperforms XP, then I'll complete my transition to an all-Linux house."
I guess you've got some transitioning to do then, since it always has.
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Just disrupt the deflector shield with a tachyon burst.
That's completely wrong btw. It is based on the Vista kernel but make no mistake. It is a new OS. There are a number of early tests on the beta and it is clearly much faster than Vista. They even demoed it on an Eee PC with 1 gig of RAM and it ran like a champ.
Let me be blunt: timothy's editorial observation shook me to my very core. An operating system released a few days ago with an advanced compositing window manager with hardware acceleration enabled looks prettier than a 7 year old OS with no compositing window manager, little to no hardware acceleration of the desktop, and no fancy 3D desktop effects. Unbelievable, who would have thought this would be the case?
I've thought long and hard about this, but I think I can deliver an observation almost on par with timothy's: Windows XP looks prettier than Windows 95.
Seriously, can we stop with the idiotic editorial comments appended to Slashdot stories? This story was stupid enough for a variety of reasons without the editor adding his personal touch.
People skipped 2000 because of game and a small amount of consumer hardware compatibility. That and MS didn't really market it to consumers as it was intended as the "business os" to replace NT4. In many ways, 2000 was the finest OS MS ever put out. It could be cut down very small and it was fast and efficient and relatively simple to admin. In contexts where I deal with Windows, I still miss it.
Quite a few people held out on going to XP for awhile because it took more hardware to get the same speed 2000 could get although that differential was nowhere near as obscene as the difference between XP and Vista.
Just to chime in with the other people here, I have two systems on my desk at work. One is a two year old Dell laptop with an Intel Core Due processor with 2GB of RAM. It runs XP. The other is a four year old Dell desktop with a Pentium 4 and 1GB of RAM. It runs Ubuntu 8.10.
Guess which one is much, much faster?
The Ubuntu 8.10 desktop, of course.
Part of it is due to all the corporate crap-ware that gets installed on the machine. There's the virus scanner, the software firewall, and the automatic patch system. (And Adobe's automatic patch system, and Apple's automatic patch system, and Google's automatic patch system, and Sun's automatic patch system...)
But a greater part is that Ubuntu is just plain faster. It uses less RAM, it hits the disk less, and it just runs faster.
My general routine at the start of a day is to start the XP laptop booting, boot up the Ubuntu desktop, and then play around with the Ubuntu desktop while I wait for Windows to finally get to the point where it can slowly get Outlook up and going.
Out of curiosity, I ran the SunSpider JavaScript benchmark under Firefox 3.0.3 on both systems. The Ubuntu system finished with a total of 4.4 seconds to run all tests. The XP machine finished in 11.4 seconds. The 95% confidence intervals for the XP machine seem to suggest that performance changed wildly on some test runs - presumably caused by random background activity.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
I'm not sure why power management functions are so hard to get right.
They touch every subsytem and driver and have to preserve the running state of hardware, applications, and have to be able to deal with situations like the network being disconnected.
I'm going to get boo'd out of the /. community for this, but here it goes.
For people like me, it doesn't matter whether which OS is the fastest (If this was true, Linux would of won the desktop a long time ago). It matters what applications it can run. I mean, I can't really play Crysis or CoD4 with wine...and I need programs like Itunes and winRAR daily that don't work on Linux even with windows program loaders.
I'm just giving my insight :)
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Windows is still the predominant OS, and it will remain that way until the popular games...
have you been inside a bar in the last ten years? Those MegaTouch game machines you put the dollar in that sit on the bar itself use Linux as their OS. I don't know of a single bar that doesn't have one, they're incredibly popular. People shove dollars in them right and left.
& applications that real people/businesses use are available for Ubuntu.
Open Office reads and writes Microsoft Office files. The real reason Open Source hasn't taken off is corporate FUD. The corporate media pound into everyone's heads that "free == worthless", which is utter nonsense (how much did you pay for the air you're breathing? yesterday's sunset? A walk through the woods? A smile?)
People think anything free must be crap, and the media (owned by money-worshipers) propagate this ignorant paradigm.
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And when you are trying to install a Debian .deb in Windows, talk about dependency hell!
Seriously, dependency hell is something only people that have used linux last time ten years ago can seriously bring up... Let it go.
I guess my attempt at humor should be -1 epic fail then... but your right, it's not at all like it used to be on all the major desktop distro's. About the only thing I really have problems with anymore is the maemo platform, once in a while I have to hunt down a lib or 2 but for the most part it's error free as well. as a side note, I started using nix about 10 years ago when it was hell :)
When the Athlon X2 came out, it offered the best performance/watt...
Intel's highend offering was the P4, and it used a lot more power than the X2 while performing slower.
As for the broken suspend, this will be down to the motherboard maker not bothering to support the published ACPI standards... On a system which has attempted to follow standards and/or provide linux compatibility this isn't a problem, for instance my eee suspends properly, as does my macbook pro running either linux or osx, and my previous ibm thinkpads were all able to suspend properly.
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I have never had a fully usable Ubuntu install yet. Something is always broken. The standard problem is the wireless utilities suck. Even after messing around with custom drivers like Madwifi etc Ubuntu still wont connect to WPA2. Vista seems to work for me just fine.
Really? Will those games run on my personal computer, because last I checked we weren't discussing embedded devices.
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My experience is the exactly the opposite. Never had a windows box to join my wireless network without significant fiddling. Of course, I'm careful to make sure any wireless card I get with Linus comes with an Atheros chip.
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It's not a polar opposite.
Ubuntu (according the article - I use Slackware so I don't know) runs fast even with necessary end-user software installed.
Windows slows down once the necessary end-user software is installed.
That's the point the GP was trying to make. (I don't necessarily agree with it, but I see what he's saying.)
Oh, and before you complain more, if you double click on a .deb package on your desktop, it asks for your password and brings up a handy dialog with a big button saying "Install". How much simpler do you need it?
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Wine
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Emulator!
It is *quite* possible, and it wouldn't be the first report of better performance in WINE than in Windows.
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Is your Ubuntu experience with 8.10? Asking because kernel 2.6.27 supports many more wifi chips and IIRC Atheros support has improved a lot. Also, network manager is much better now. It's cheap to try with a Desktop (live) CD
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+1 Informative for nLite mention. You can slim vanilla Windows XP down to around 200 MB or so with it by removing unused and non-essential services, features, and bloat. Even 150 MB or so if you want to be truly compact with it. It's maybe 50 to 100 MB more if you include service packs and .NET versions. This equates to faster boot times, better responsiveness, and less memory usage.
It's great to run off USB flash drives also.
No existe.
What matters is that I go to Dixons (UK electronics store), approach a shelf with subnotebooks and see a sign "Linux notebooks will not work with mobile Internet".
Go figure.
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