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Amazon Launches "Frustration-Free Packaging"

Posted by kdawson on from the save-the-earth-and-keep-more-of-your-fingers dept.

mallumax notes Amazon's new Frustration-Free Packaging initiative. Over several years the retailer hopes to convince many of its suppliers to offer consumer-friendlier packaging. It's starting with just 19 products from Mattel, Fisher-Price, Microsoft, and Transcend. Until this program spreads to more products, better get one of these (ThinkGeek and Slashdot share a corporate overlord). From Amazon's announcement: "The Frustration-Free Package is recyclable and comes without excess packaging materials such as hard plastic clamshell casings, plastic bindings, and wire ties. It's designed to be opened without the use of a box cutter or knife and will protect your product just as well as traditional packaging. Products with Frustration-Free Packaging can frequently be shipped in their own boxes, without an additional shipping box. Amazon works directly with manufacturers to box products in Frustration-Free Packages right off the assembly lines, which reduces the overall amount of packing materials used."

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  1. Best packaging innovation ever by CMonk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How much cost does it add to a product to make it retail shelf friendly (theft, presentation)? Hopefully this will save us money down the line too.

    1. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given that they're the exact opposite of retail B&M store packaging (easy to open and steal, likely shippable in it's own box and thus largely unlabeled) I'd say we're not going to see the disappearance of the hand-slashing blister pack. The "features" of a retail package exist because the necessities of retail in-person sales demand them. These necessities aren't going to disappear because Amazon's mail order business isn't bound by those necessities.

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    2. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The odd thing is that even in situation where theft isn't an issue (like, behind the counter, or in a locked case) the products are still (often) clad in highly annoying, theft-proof, finger-slashing packaging.

      In any case, the manufacturer could still use user-friendly packaging, and the stores (were it an issue) could use those reusable plastic lock-boxes you sometimes see software or videos in, which are cheap enough to buy in quantity but still need to be opened with a key at the register. One could make a case that this is even more secure than blister packaging (the anti-steal rfid is inside the locked box, instead of glued on the outside) and since the boxes are reused, much waste is eliminated.

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    3. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by taustin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think you realize how cheap those blister packs are, or the economy of scale in packaging everything a given manufacturer makes in the same kind of packaging (even if not the same size). Different kinds of packaging require different kinds of very expensive machines to handle, and that means different assembly lines that can't be easily converted to a product that uses the other kind of packaging. And so on.

      Plus, at the retail end, anything the requires a key to sell requires, if not a manager, at least a senior employeed who has been vetted more throughly than the average cahsier.

    4. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A magnetic lock isn't a key. Well, it's a key, but it's not something you keep locked up. You keep the keys to open the $2000 laptop cage with managers and loss prevention; but you can leave a software box key for easy-to-steal $40 software in a drawer at the cashier's desk, or wired (1/8 inch steel cable) to the cash register. The privilege to open a $40 anti-theft box is different from the privilege to open a cage locking up $2000 handheld computers.

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    5. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by Cow+Jones · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm wondering if there's a local aspect to the packaging strategy as well. In the EU, if a seller uses redundant packaging material, he has an obligation to either (a) take back all the packaging that isn't necessary to protect the product, or (b) pay what amounts to a monthly packaging tax. Most retailers still opt for (b), but at least in my country they're required to offer you a way to dispose of the excess packaging before you leave the store.

      As for Amazon, I've hardly ever seen them use too much packaging. Their packets are made of recycled carton and open by pulling on a paper strap. Everything inside is exactly how I want it. I *want* the DVD cases, and the toy boxes! Getting your Legos in a bag is quite different from getting them in a flashy designed box - six sides with pictures that can show you different ways of assembling the parts.

      They could get rid of the plastic wraps around the individual items, no big deal, but that's been done before, and is not news-worthy.

      By the way... sometimes there's stuff in those packages that you didn't order. I got small packets of gummy bears a few times, and a "complimentary book" (twice). All in all, I can't complain.

      CJ

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    6. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by v1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most of the "welded plastic bubbles" are NOT shelf-friendly. They often have very little flatness on the bottom, are often approaching top-heavy, and if you view it from above you can see just how much space it wastes due to the front and/or back being rounded.

      Though if you are using hooks, they are slightly more convenient to deal with but you can't stack as many of them on a hook as you sometimes can boxes on a shelf.

      I personally can't stand needing to fight a package open. I wonder how many ER visits are due to someone trying to open said packaging with a steak knife or a scissors. I'm amazed I haven't managed to get myself at least once... some of those packages are even very hard to open with scissors. I have a tin snips I use now. MUCH better. But I shouldn't have to in the first place.

      Also a PITA for the consumer and/or retailer, depending on the return policy. Either way, someone's getting shafted. The manufacturers that box things up that way are doing it to lower the return (to the manufacturer) rate. No way you're going to get that back in the packaging in resaleable condition, so either you can't return it, or the retailer accepts it back and then can't sell it. (or has to sell at an obviously-opened-box markdown)

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    7. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by taustin · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can tell you have never worked in retail management. Now you have to a) train all your cashiers not simple "call a manager/whatever to open the lockup case," but rather at least two (or maybe more) tiers of "if customer wants x, call manager, but if customer wants y, call Joe the Department Manager, but if customer wants z, call Barb the Head Cashier." You also have to train the manager, Joe, and Barb in all this, as well. And no training is perfect (and cashier and sales rarely make more than minimum wage, with expected effects on their skill set), so you also back up the lines with each error made. Plus, you now have multiple lockup cases, which a) require more management to keep functioning properly, and b) require yet more multiple levels of training, different for different employees, as to what goes in which case.

      Plus, you're now gow multiple sets of security systems, all different, to maintain, both physically, and as part of your security policy.

      All in an industry with a net profit margin under 5%, and often under 3%.

      If you've never run a retail store, you cannot even imagine the value of economy of scale, and consistenty in training across all employee positions. And few things cost you money faster than a stoppage at a cash register because the minimum wage cashier can't remember who has the key to the right lockup case (or even which lockup case the goods are in).

    8. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anything that requires a key requires basically any lackey who works in that department to unlock. No seniority at all.

      Having been involved in retail management for 25+ years, I can tell you, with certainty, that if it's worth locking up at all, it's worth your minimum wage sales drone's effort to steal. Far more theft in most retails stores is by employees than by customers.

      At many stores security usually does an audit at the end of each night to check for theft in all locked areas

      And at far more, that would require hiring security personnel (who are more expensive to employ, and a lot more expensive to hire, since there's no point in hiring a security person who hasn't been vetted with a background check, unless you want them to organize the employee theft ring) specifically to review those tapes, because most stores that have anything worth locking up have quite a bit worth locking up. And, generally speaking, a lot of it is dispersed enough that it's not under a camera. Cameras (and recording systems) are rather expensive, especially if you expect to be able to actually identify even someone you know in the video, and installing them is a lot more expensive. At most retailers that even have security cameras, less than 10% of the total sales floor is recorded by one. And your minimum wage employees won't even have to figure out which lockup cases aren't watched, since that will be part of their orientation (if you know how to run your store).

      The only solution to virtually any security/shoplifting problem in a retail store is, ultimately, to spend money. Generally quite a bit of it. Which comes out of your 3-5% profit margin.

      Retail's a bitch of a business.

    9. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by hardburn · · Score: 2, Funny

      By the way... sometimes there's stuff in those packages that you didn't order. I got small packets of gummy bears a few times, and a "complimentary book" (twice). All in all, I can't complain.

      Last time I ordered from Amazon, they sent a second box, even though I only ordered one thing. Puzzled, I opened it up, and found a PS3 controller recharger inside. Though the box had an address label for me on it, the invoice inside said it was actually for some guy in Tennessee. (Yes, I did do the honest thing and send it back.)

      Every time I order something from Amazon, they find a new and exciting way to screw it up.

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    10. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by taustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I may have mentioned I've been doing retail management (and above) for 25+ years now.

      You haven't. I can tell.

      Yeah, some retailers do things your way. They tend to be outfits like Fry's, which also feel the need to hire door nazis to search through your bags on the way out. Not to stop shoplifters, mind you, but to cut down on (but never eliminate) theft by employees.

    11. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Maybe then they should increase the price by putting a landfill tax on it.

      So, you're saying that as consumers, we have to put up with annoying, wasteful packaging that we didn't ask for, which doesn't serve any direct purpose to us, and we should pay a tax on it to boot?

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    12. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by Jesus_666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At a local shopping center town (in American terms it's a big mall; in German terms it's a small town made up solely of warehouses) the music department uses hard plastic shells with built-in wireless chips (this system predated RFID). The cashiers there know how to open them - it's a function built into the register and works essentially like the one that removes the antitheft tag from clothes. There are no slowdowns and buying there only takes marginally more time than buying somewhere else. We're talking five seconds tops.

      As the trend goes to software being sold with nothing much besides the DVD we might very well just give people the jewel case and put an antitheft shell around it. And then we use bigger shells with the same locking mechanism for hardware. Bam, immediately training transfers between the music, software and hardware departments.

      If your cashiers are too stupid to know how to operate the detagging device on the register - what the hell are you doing emplying such morons? The fact that they're cheap doesn't mean they're cost-effective.

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    13. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by Green+Salad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obviously, the improvement is that your finger-slashings will cost less, as your suppliers' inventory shrinkage is reduced, because all finger-slashing activity that has not been synergisticly consolidated with efficiently manufactured security packaging improvements could be appropriately transitioned with a consumer-education campaign that promotes the value generated by the innovative, presentation-friendly, product-protecting security packing. Of course, the critical cornerstone of the consumer-education campaign would most likely be a demographically-targeted message promulgated via the subject matter experts from the center of excellence in the public relations department. This would be easily financed, in part, from the forward-realized funds the savings extracted from the efficient consolidation of finger-slashing and security packaging upgrades yielding interdepartmental savings that are one of the cumulative components that demonstrate the management team's leadership in reaching a key milestone found in the critical path of plans to implement the corporate economic strategy.

    14. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by smoker2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes.
      Because then we don't buy the product as it's too expensive, which forces the manufacturer to cut those costs.
      No-one is forced to buy any particular brand. Unless you consider yourself a consumer - ie the lowest form of life, destined to open your wallet every time the tv tells you to. You can tax the manufacturer or the consumer but in the end it's always the consumer who pays.
      Here in the UK we used to have milk delivered every day in glass bottles. The milkman used to collect the empties for washing and refilling, and the delivery was done with electric vehicles. But - it was cheaper for the milk companies to use plastic and get rid of the milkman, so now we have problem plastic going into the ground as landfill AND the milk has to travel much further to regional bottling plants then be re-transported back to its original area for sale in shops AND we have put thousands of people out of a job*. So which is cheaper in the final analysis ?

      * These workers were also delivering bread, vegetables, other dairy products, and also were usually the people who alerted the emergency services when somebody was ill or incapacitated (due to yesterdays milk still being there) and also helped keep burglary and crime down by being around at times when everybody else was asleep. But no, fuck that, we want cheap and disposable. Money rules FTW.

    15. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by fredklein · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can tell you're in Retail Management. You actually think that searching CUSTOMERS cuts down on EMPLOYEE theft.

    16. Re:Best packaging innovation ever by swillden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can tell you're in Retail Management. You actually think that searching CUSTOMERS cuts down on EMPLOYEE theft.

      It does.

      It's much easier and safer for employees, particularly those working at the cash registers, to collaborate with a friend and simply avoid scanning a few items in order to steal them, rather than try to walk out with the stuff themselves. It's hard for management to catch by watching the checkout process, and if a cashier is caught, it's pretty easy for them to pass it off as an honest mistake.

      As a bonus, this sort of attack also defeats the RF tags that many retailers use. They're normally disabled by the cashier during the checkout process, so the crooked cashier just disables them without ringing them up.

      Checking customer bag contents against receipts is an effective way to prevent this sort of theft. Of course, it also pisses off the customers.

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  2. lawsuits... by eeyoredragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why is it people are sued for their coffee being too hot... but people haven't sued the crap out of corporations for packages that quite frankly maim their customers?

    1. Re:lawsuits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The package doesn't maim the customer, the customer maims themself. There is a proper way to open a package, sometimes it's not all that clear, but it is possible to open a package without causing bodily harm. It's not all that apparent, but quite a bit of thought goes into designing a package; sadly, the end-user isn't always the main concern.

    2. Re:lawsuits... by eeyoredragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can dance around it all you like... but it doesn't change the end result. People every day are injured in some way by this "two plastic bubbles melted together" method of packaging. Because it practically requires bladed weapons to open.

      I have instructions on jars that tell me to twist open a cap... I'd say the whole twist cap thing is pretty self explanatory, yet people feel the need to put instructions on how to open jars.

      You know why there's no instructions on how to open a solid lump of plastic? Because it being able to be opened isn't on their mind at all... not that it isn't their "main concern". They'd put it in a solid lead bubble with a cytotoxic theft deterrent system, but sadly that costs them more money.

    3. Re:lawsuits... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because it practically requires bladed weapons to open.

      That's the wrong tool for the job. Use a small pair of tin snips, and there's very little chance that you'll injure yourself. (Making packages that require tin snips to open is still stupid, though.)

    4. Re:lawsuits... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The package doesn't maim the customer, the customer maims themself(sic). There is a proper way to open a package, sometimes it's not all that clear, but it is possible to open a package without causing bodily harm. It's not all that apparent, but quite a bit of thought goes into designing a package; sadly, the end-user isn't always the main concern.

      That's the defence that Detroit used to fight the safety features that they were dragged kicking and screaming into introducing by Ralph Nader. Initially they blamed the victims instead of taking responsibility for producing dangerous products.

      I'm sorry, but packaging should protect the product AND be possible to access safely. If there's no obvious way to use it and avoid injury, the designer is at fault.

      There is no way that I have discovered to get into a clamshell without running the risk of serious injury either from the metal blade that I have to use to cut it, or the plastic blade that is formed when using scissors and always ends up pointing into the path of my oncoming hand.

      Whoever invented plastic clamshells should be sentenced to an eternity of sitting in a dark room opening one of his creations after another.

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    5. Re:lawsuits... by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "That's the wrong tool for the job. Use a small pair of tin snips, and there's very little chance that you'll injure yourself. "

      Yeah..like everyone has a pair of those laying around...

      [rolls eyes]

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    6. Re:lawsuits... by Firehed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've paid for tools specifically for opening blister packs, and the net result is only that I do less damage to myself rather than none at all. Short of wearing work gloves and safety glasses and then taking an angle grinder to the packaging, I can't think of a better way.

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    7. Re:lawsuits... by Firehed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if they did, tin snips still aren't very effective at getting open blister packs safely unless you're wearing heavy work gloves, in my experience. You'll still end up with a sharp edge whipping around, even if you're not ripping it open with your hands (which is undoubtably unsafe).

      The fact that we have to have this discussion at all just goes to show the level of insanity that went into blister packs.

      Frustration-free packaging can't come soon enough. I hope Amazon works out a deal with CD and DVD distributers too. They're not blister pack-dangerous, but still a major pain in the ass.

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    8. Re:lawsuits... by martinw89 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why is it people are sued for their coffee being too hot... but people haven't sued the crap out of corporations for packages that quite frankly maim their customers?

      The ladder is frivolous in comparison. The coffee case has largely been misrepresented in popular media. Liebeck, the plaintiff, suffered third degree burns on her thighs, buttocks, and genitals. She required 8 days of hospitalization, skin grafts, and $11,000 in medical bills. Liebeck first sought to settle out of court for $20,000 to cover said bills. When McDonalds countered with a $800 offer, Liebeck took the case to court.

      There have been frivolous lawsuits, definitely true. The scalding coffee was not. Other coffee vendors around the city were, at the highest temperature, 20 degrees Fahrenheit cooler than McDonald's coffee.

      Main source.

    9. Re:lawsuits... by anagama · · Score: 4, Funny

      yeah -- but getting the blister pack off the tin snips -- chicken and egg.

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    10. Re:lawsuits... by Lifthrasir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You expect hot coffee to be well, hot. It's supposed to be freshly boiled water. Otherwise it is luke warm.

      If you pour hot coffee over yourself, you can expect to be burnt.

      It's not McDonalds fault that not only are their customers stupid, but so is the justice system that will reward their customers for being stupid.

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    11. Re:lawsuits... by fm6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That woman who sued over hot coffee was not simply whining about scalding her hands. She went to the hospital with 3rd degree burns. Probably the coffee had been reheated in a microwave. One hazard of heating liquids this way is that you can make them superhot without causing them to boil.

      Anyway, we both know that people's hatred for blister packs has nothing to do with the risk of personal injury. (I have several scars on my hands from cutting vegetables or slicing bagels. Not one from opening a blister pack.) It's the extreme frustration you experience while you try to cut away enough plastic to get at the contents. Unfortunately "frustation" aint tortable.

    12. Re:lawsuits... by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Informative

      You expect hot coffee to be well, hot. It's supposed to be freshly boiled water. Otherwise it is luke warm.

      You cook pies at a temperature of 350 F, but you don't serve them to people right out of the oven. Why does coffee get a free pass to be served at temperatures that cause third degree burns in only 2-7 seconds of contact, as in the famous McDonald's case?

      It would be one thing if McDonald's was selling cups of molten lava with a warning that clearly said, "Don't let the stuff touch you until it cools, you freaking morons!" but one generally expects FOOD to be safe to touch to your body.

      Also, it should be easy to add cream and sugar to a cup of coffee without dumping it all over yourself. McDonald's had bad lid design in that respect too. Furthermore, documents produced in court showed the McD's was well aware of the fact that other customers had suffered third degree burns from their product and continued to sell it in an unsafe manner. They even alleged in court that people who buy coffee mostly take it home or to work and drink it there instead of in the court (which frankly doesn't pass the laugh test).

      No, McDonald's was clearly negligent, if not reckless, in their behavior and deserved to be punished for it. Coffee isn't a product that should be that risky to purchase and consume. How exactly does serving coffee at 185 F do anything positive for the customer?

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    13. Re:lawsuits... by Rary · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You expect hot coffee to be well, hot... If you pour hot coffee over yourself, you can expect to be burnt.

      The point of the Liebeck case wasn't that the coffee was hot -- she expected that much -- but that it was significantly hotter than coffee is supposed to be. Coffee served at industry standard temperature can sit on bare skin for quite a while without causing more than a mild burn (redness and tenderness), whereas coffee served at the temperature that Ms. Liebeck's coffee was served at can cause third degree burns (requiring skin graft surgery) in as little as 2 seconds.

      In other words, coffee is dangerous, but this coffee was significantly more dangerous, therefore she should have been warned.

      To put it in perspective: everyone has spilled coffee on themselves at some point in their lives (I've done it, and I don't even drink coffee). Yet her coffee spill resulted in $11,000 in medical bills. Can you not see the difference between this and a normal coffee spill?

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    14. Re:lawsuits... by EvanED · · Score: 2, Informative

      I dunno about you, but I've found a fair percentage of these packages won't cut very easily with standard scissors, sometimes even if you are just trying to cut through a single layer of plastic, let alone the edges where the sides are welded together. I've even basically broken a pair of scissors trying to cut the damn things. I go for my utility knife or diagonal cutters any more.

    15. Re:lawsuits... by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I work at Starbucks. In fact, I worked there this morning from 5am to noon. I've worked there for a few years, so I know what Im doing there.

      Our coffee is between 190F-200F. We only hold it for 30 minutes, and it's warmed during that time. Also, when telling customers how to brew coffee, we recommend 190-200F, unlike green tea, coffee needs very hot water to unlock the flavor. However, we steam lattes only to 180 before giving dire warnings to customers who want hotter. Ill usually say "Grande SCALDING mocha" or something to warn the drinker.

      Ill say this: only a moron puts a boiling cup of X liquid between their legs. Everybody knows coffee is SUPPOSED to be hot. Now, however, lid deign does indeed suck, and fair to sue over. Especially how many lids crack at Sbux. During rush (7-9 am), I perhaps, deal with around 10 defective lids. They could easily cause insta-burning spill.

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    16. Re:lawsuits... by Green+Salad · · Score: 2, Funny

      Snips AND heavy work gloves? Simpler to use sharks with laser-beams attached to their heads.

  3. They could also call this by amRadioHed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Laceration-Free Packaging" as far as that cursed clamshell packaging goes. I hate that crap, good riddance.

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    1. Re:They could also call this by sking · · Score: 5, Funny

      And I always figured that this packaging would end when someone hijacked a plane with it.

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    2. Re:They could also call this by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hell, they could build the plane with it, and you could probably land the thing a hell of lot harder without breaking anything, except a few bones maybe.

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  4. I'll be happy if... by NonSequor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I never accidentally cut the cord of something while opening the packaging with a pair of scissors.

    Knowing that you've accidentally ruined something worth $50 or more is a horrible feeling.

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    1. Re:I'll be happy if... by afidel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Turn in your geek card, a soldering iron and heat shrink tubing will fix any power cord from 28AWG to about 2 gauge.

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    2. Re:I'll be happy if... by NonSequor · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can't help it! I'm a discrete math major. I'm like 5 layers away from the soldering iron!

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    3. Re:I'll be happy if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've always wondered, with someone being told to turn in a geek card for something trivial in nearly every thread on Slashdot, where do they all go? Are they redistributed to approved candidates, or is there just a pile of them somewhere foretelling the eventual extinction of the card-carrying geek?

    4. Re:I'll be happy if... by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ....if you're doing that with 2 gauge, it's going to take a hell of a lot of solder and heatshrink to hold it together.

      Seriously. If you're working with cables that carry enough power to mandate a conductor with a 1/4" diameter, let the pros take care of it. You'd also likely want something a bit thicker than heatshrink to insulate it.

      (A typical extension cord is ~14AWG = 0.06")

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    5. Re:I'll be happy if... by Firehed · · Score: 4, Funny

      If he has a knife sharp enough to accidentally cut through 2 gauge wire, we should probably let him keep his geek card.

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  5. I'm not crying, I just have something in my eye! by Scutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    *sniff* I never thought the day would come!

    Seriously, as a parent, I've seen packaging on kids toys get progressively worse. Not just ultrasonic-sealed plastic clamshells, but toys attached to cardboard boxes with dozens (sometimes over a hundred) wire twist-ties and highly strecthy rubber-band-like straps.

    It took me over an hour just to de-package ONE toy for my kid last Christmas. Seriously, there is no excuse for such obnoxious packaging. I, for one, will be keeping a close eye on this initiative and it will likely make me look at Amazon first for my purchases.

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  6. Child-proof packaging by Brian.Kirby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now the next thing they need to research is child-proof frustration-free packaging...

  7. Shoplifting by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The current trend in packaging was for two reasons. It allowed the consumer to actually *see* the produce he/she was getting. And it reduced shoplifting. Big box retailers (rhymes with ball-cart) pushed for these even though the consumer didn't want it.

    Fortunately, sites like Amazon can now pressure manufacturers to go back to the more traditional packaging. Maybe I'll finally be able to wrap birthday gifts without needing an additional box/bag. And on Christmas morning, my hands won't be sore from opening 200 packages, cutting wire-ties and tie-wraps, and dealing with having to unscrew the frickin' battery compartments.

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  8. Will they do this for DVDs? by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now Amazon needs to do this for DVDs. After all, Amazon doesn't have a shoplifting problem.

    Given that DVDs are a shock-insensitive waterproof object shipped inside a rigid case, they should be mailed with far less packaging. A manila envelope would be sufficient. Most of the perimeter seals, "Security Device Enclosed", and shrink wrap could be dispensed with. One seal that's broken on opening would be enough to identify packages that have been opened.

    1. Re:Will they do this for DVDs? by ITEric · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the companies do decide to address DVD packaging, I hope they do something about the little round disk retainers inside the package. I know the idea is to keep the DVD from falling out when you open the case, but do they have to make the retainers so difficult to release that one worries about breaking the disk trying to get it out?

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  9. How about frustration free snack bags? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know what I mean. Plastic snack bags where the tops are fused together so tightly they're near impossible to open. When you apply the force required to get the top open then the cheap plastic bag splits all the way down to the bottom. Chips/pretzels spill out. Oh joy.

    1. Re:How about frustration free snack bags? by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. And how about yogurt packaging that doesn't spray your shirt with yogurt when you start peeling off the top? How about soda cans that you don't have to push the opening (that rats were peeing on back at the warehouse) into the soda itself? How about those fancy bottle caps that you are supposed to pull open and closed with your teeth so you only need one hand, except that there is no opening for air to enter the bottle, so when you start drinking you create a tug of war for soda between your mouth and the vacuum inside the increasingly flattened bottle? The list is endless...

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    2. Re:How about frustration free snack bags? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about soda cans that you don't have to push the opening (that rats were peeing on back at the warehouse) into the soda itself?

      Perhaps, but be aware that rodent urine is probably more fit for consumption than the soda.

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  10. There's a cheap solution to this by Krishnoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    I heard this product mentioned elsewhere. It's inexpensive enough that I'm thinking of buying one and asking a cashier to keep it under their counter at a local electronics store I frequent.

    1. Re:There's a cheap solution to this by Fez · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a couple of these and they really do work well. Between that and a pair of cutters for wire ties, I can open almost anything in under a minute. Including convoluted child toy packaging.

      Toy packaging these days is far, far worse than the plastic clamshell. Dozens of industrial strength wire ties, miles of tape, plastic screwed into other plastic through cardboard, plastic pull-tabs, and obnoxiously shaped boxes. They make me pine for simple hand-slicing clamshells.

  11. Better opener by Thaelon · · Score: 4, Informative

    That thing on thinkgeek is a piece of crap. It's a flimsy knife with a weird handle. This is much more effective. And cheaper (since you get three). And you can cut metal with them. They're called tin snips. AKA, the manly alternative to the overpiced ones designed by and for women.

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    1. Re:Better opener by Anpheus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't it slightly disparaging that there exists widespread, near universal packaging that requires an implement that cuts metal to properly open?

  12. Oblig. Penny Arcade Link by ASimPerson · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Space Devil will not be pleased.

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  13. Re:I'm not crying, I just have something in my eye by Anpheus · · Score: 4, Funny

    The scissors come in a blister pack too.

  14. Re:He's on my list by Winckle · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think the FBI have him on a protection program, even his family don't know where he is now.

  15. Especially: Fix those two pieces of stupid tape by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... that ruin the clear plastic cover over the artwork when you try to remove them.

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  16. Re:Good for them and all, but let's be honest by evanbd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Um, what? Of course they'll use it to cut prices. Unlike some companies, Amazon is in a competitive field. And when people are shopping online, it's trivial to comparison shop, so people do. There are plenty of other online retailers selling the same stuff as them, and one of the reasons Amazon does well is that they're cheaper. Sure, they want more profit -- but once they find a way to cut costs, the optimal way to make more profit is to pass some of that cost savings along as a price reduction, in order to attract more customers. Remember, there are two ways to increase profits -- increase margins, and increase units sold. In highly competitive markets, the optimal use for any cost cutting measure will be a mix of the two.

    Sure, you won't see the whole reduction passed along (at least not until everyone is doing it and they can't afford not to), but who cares? The stuff gets cheaper, and friendlier for the environment, and less frustrating to open. I rather like this idea.

  17. Frustration? Try tamper free by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd quite like to know that shiny new 8GB SD card is actually brand new and not returned or refurbished goods.

    Just how hard do people find it to use a knife or scissors anyway? Have schools gotten so over cautious that you now need a college education before you're permitted anywhere near safety scissors?

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    1. Re:Frustration? Try tamper free by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've never injured myself with the tool used to open hard plastic clamshell packaging before.

      I have, however, had my fingers or hands cut open numerous times by the cut, torn, or ripped edge of the plastic itself when the packaging finally gave way to my cutting implement. I tell you, Boy Scout training on knife safety when cutting wood or animal skins does Jack to teach you about how to open nightmare packaging.

      Happens with scissors, knifes, box cutters, or whatever. It's the plastic that scratches me up. I'll admit to being a klutz, but that style of packaging is just an irritating menace.

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  18. stupid fucking seal on the edge of CD's.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I wish they'd take off that stupid tape thing that is on CD's....damned near impossible to get all off easily. Hell, I go to my Mom's to visit...and her CD's still have most of that crap on them.

    I've found so far, best way to get it off...is run a sharp knife under it cutting it on edge..leaving enough room to try to peel each half off in one motion.

    This stuff sucks when you try taking it off in the car to listen to it...

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    1. Re:stupid fucking seal on the edge of CD's.... by lostguru · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't open the case the normal way open it with the plastic tape strip as a hinge, then it's easier to take off, or don't bother. Took me years to figure out how my dad had the CD he bought me for Christmas on his iPod before I had opened the package.


      GP: as someone who works in retail, I HATE the reusable plastic boxes. For 15 registers we have one key to the things, so we have to get the supervisor to open it. One time when the supervisor was out to lunch it took 3 people to figure the damn thing out.

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    2. Re:stupid fucking seal on the edge of CD's.... by thegnu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      slightly flex the bottom hinge, and swing it out the front. This opens it up with the sticker as a hinge, and it peels off easily. I learned that from a guy who owns a record store.

      I hate that shit, too, though.

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  19. Re:He's on my list by corsec67 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hmm, torture:
    The food is packaged in throughly sealed blister packs, and they aren't given a knife, tin snips, band saws, thermal lances, etc. to open them.

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  20. Sawsall? by maz2331 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What about the numbnuts out there that use a Sawsall to open the damn things? I must admit to being tempted, but decided prudence mandated scissors instead.

  21. Re:I'm not crying, I just have something in my eye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, my Leatherman came in a blister pack. I finally burned it open with a lighter.

  22. About time by coffeechica · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It surprises me that Amazon.com is only making this move now. I work for a company that supplies Amazon Germany, along with a number of retail customers. The retailers get the standard 5-layer cardboard box with product pictures, information etc., while Amazon has their own mail order box - sturdier, different info on the outside, and with a designated spot to stick the address label on. In the household product sector, it's been a standard for years by now.

  23. Re:The coffee suit was an abuse of the legal syste by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    to properly dissolve the essences that make coffee taste like coffee

    But this was at McDonlads, so that's irrelevant.

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  24. It's about time! by BLKMGK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I will NEVER forget being forced to buy a CAT5 cable while on travel once upon a time. Upon returning to my room with it I was faced with one of those damned impossible to open packages. Thanks to TSA I had no knife, no scissors, no normal way to slash open the damned package. I ended up sawing it open on the metal frame of the bed like a madman! Truly disturbing to get so desperate to open one of the damned things.

    I really miss cardboard packaging and I hope that Amazon's example starts a trend...

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