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Phoenix Mars Lander Declared Dead

SpuriousLogic sends in a sad note from the BBC: "NASA says its Phoenix lander on the surface of Mars has gone silent and is almost certainly dead. Engineers have not heard from the craft since Sunday 2 November when it made a brief communication with Earth. Phoenix, which landed on the planet's northern plains in May, had been struggling in the increasing cold and dark of an advancing winter. The US space agency says it will continue to try to contact the craft but does not expect to hear from it."

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  1. It's not dead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It will soon spring forth from the fiery planet to destroy us all! RISE PHOENIX!!! RISE!

    1. Re:It's not dead... by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 4, Informative

      On a more serious note - there is a small chance it could survive the freeze and restart once enough sun returns to fill its batteries.

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    2. Re:It's not dead... by masshuu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Zero != Cake Cake = Lie Lie = Nothing Nothing = Small Zero != Small

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    3. Re:It's not dead... by confused+one · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's extremely unlikely as the batteries themselves will freeze, with the temperatures dropping below -150. The damage done by the freeze will most likely destroy them.

    4. Re:It's not dead... by ProzacPatient · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only that but if the batteries did somehow survive, the solar panels might be covered in too much dust to receive sufficient light to recharge the batteries.

  2. RIP by negRo_slim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The mission was scheduled to last just three months on the surface, but continued to work for more than five months.

    I'll drink to that!

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    1. Re:RIP by Kamokazi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Opportunity: You hear about that new guy, Phoenix?

      Spirit: Yeah, water ice...wonder what he'll find next.

      Op: The dude's dead, yo!

      Sp: What? He's only been here 5 months!

      Op: I know. Lightweight. Gave some whiney excuse about 'only 3 months'.

      Sp: What a wuss. I've been running on half power and 5 wheels most of this damn mission! I guess they don't make 'em like they used to.

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    2. Re:RIP by relikx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tried to pour some carbon dioxide on the curb for all my dead homies...didn't really work out.

    3. Re:RIP by seanadams.com · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's only a flesh wound.

    4. Re:RIP by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      Beagle 2: Wazzup!

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    5. Re:RIP by syousef · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's not Phoenix's fault damnit. They gave him a red shirt at the start of the episode and we all know what that means!

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    6. Re:RIP by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oohh... this reminds me of Wall-E... :(
      So sad...

      Waaaall....Eeeeeeee... :'(

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    7. Re:RIP by halcyon1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Viking: Get off my la[buffer overflow error]

    8. Re:RIP by theaveng · · Score: 3, Funny

      Voyager: It's dark out here... so very very dark. Hum-mmmmmmmmmmm.

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  3. Last Transmission? by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did it sing "Bicycle Built for Two," slowing down and getting deeper as it ran out of power? Because that would have been awesome.

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    1. Re:Last Transmission? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I still find that scene creepy and unnerving. It's even more unnerving than the book's description (or at least how I recall it -- it's been a few years since I read it), where the modules were completely removed and floated around the room. Bowman did what he had to do, but watching the lobotomization of another thinking being is still uncomfortable.

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    2. Re:Last Transmission? by niktemadur · · Score: 4, Informative

      Did it sing "Bicycle Built for Two", slowing down and getting deeper as it ran out of power?

      I thought the tune's name was either "Daisy Daisy" or "Daisy Bell". In any case, it was used in 2001 because it was actually the first tune ever sung by a computer (the IBM 7094), in 1961. Here's an mp3 file link of that historic recording: http://audio.textfiles.com/sounds/daisy.mp3

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    3. Re:Last Transmission? by hughk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not dead, just sleeping. Remember that HAL was woken up in 2010.

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    4. Re:Last Transmission? by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The story is full of these kinds of references, another famous one is to move the letters H.A.L up one in the alphabet and you get I.B.M (although Clarke claims it was a coincidence). I as in high school when the movie came out, it was required reading and we went to the theater to watch it (Kubrick hadn't done "Clockwork Orange" so nobody was freaked out by his name). Most of the philosophical stuff went straight over our heads but the special effects left an impression. Fourty years later and I get the philosophical stuff but the special effects would seem to indicate Kubrick was on acid.

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  4. IBM's Power Architecture used in Lander by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Interesting
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  5. The poor by eille-la · · Score: 3, Funny

    It didnt even knew who won the elections

    1. Re:The poor by gregbot9000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope it's the second. Apparently the first cut was the oxygen to your brain.

  6. No problem... by Deadstick · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...you know what a Phoenix does when it dies, right?

    rj

    1. Re:No problem... by Tehrasha · · Score: 5, Funny

      Difficult to catch fire while surrounded by ice and a CO2 atmosphere.

    2. Re:No problem... by dissy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Difficult to catch fire while surrounded by ice and a CO2 atmosphere.

      You just aren't trying hard enough ;P

  7. Original story and pictures by sighted · · Score: 4, Informative
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  8. Obligatory by Overkill+Nbuta · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's dead, Jim.

    1. Re:Obligatory by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Funny

      But... does Netcraft confirm it?

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  9. Re:RIP Phoenix Mars Lander by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know it's sad and all, but aren't Mars rover years like 45 human years? That guy was freakin' old when he kicked, and he went down with a fight! Martian storms really REALLY suck. Forget Kansas Toto, Mars is not for girly rovers!

    What a rockin' piece of robot! Salute!

  10. Two thumbs up given the circumstances. by zazenation · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that the planet Earth is batting only .385 on Mars missions, the extra 2 months of data makes up for it to some extent.

    Since Mars does have a thin atmosphere, a probe is likely to be under far greater danger of being hit by random flying debris than on some airless hunk of rock like the Moon where only micrometeorites pose that kind of hazard.

    Bye Phoenix, you gutted it out well!

    1. Re:Two thumbs up given the circumstances. by camperdave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since Mars does have a thin atmosphere, a probe is likely to be under far greater danger of being hit by random flying debris than on some airless hunk of rock like the Moon where only micrometeorites pose that kind of hazard.

      Huh? I think you have that backwards. Mars has a thin atmosphere, which means that micrometeoriods would likely be burned up before hitting the surface. On the whole a probe would have a far greater chance of being hit by random flying debris on some airless rock than on Mars.

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  11. Well maybe... by actionbastard · · Score: 3, Funny

    "...The US space agency says it will continue to try to contact..."

    They should get John Edward to help out.

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  12. next spring? by Silm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm just wondering - what is gonna happen next summer? is there a chance that some stuff still works, after the CO2 ice thaws in the "spring"? or would the damage from the freezing be irriversible? what conditions are we talking about midwinter - about a meter of CO2 ice? what damage would that do?

    1. Re:next spring? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, the damage done by freezing is irreversible. There is a very, very, slender and against all odds hope however that the damage will be insufficient to actually completely kill the lander.

    2. Re:next spring? by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you a rocket scientist? Because I'll give your opinion more than 10% validity if you are ;)

  13. Late-Breaking News from the Council: VICTORY! by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    > Did it sing "Bicycle Built for Two," slowing down and getting deeper as it ran out of power? Because that would have been awesome.

    VICTORY!

    The most Illustrious Council of Elders has declared tomorrow a planetary day of celebration. K'breel, Speaker for the Council, spake thus:

    "Triumphant Citizens, today all our gelsacs are engorged with delight! After a 160-day campaign in the arctic wastelands of our world, our day of victory has come. For the past thirty days, this latest terror from the blue world has been able to do nothing more but wave its pendulous plumb bob at us.

    Its relentless chanting of the Day-Z War Song - which our linguists have assured us is about a war machine driven so half-mad with emotion that it would enslave two of its creators for use as propulsion mechanisms - has finally ended. The Day-Z War Song is sung no more.

    Rejoice, podmates, for victory is ours! We answer in the affirmative, for we are able!"

    (A small group of dissidents in the Press Corps reminded the Speaker that the Invader on the Plains had begun to stir, and that The Twin at the Crater was rapidly advancing to the southeast after having made an obscene gesture. They were about to inquire as to what progress had been made over the past two and a half years against these threats, but K'Breel had already torn the antenna shaft from the Arctic Invader's lifeless hulk and made a shishkebab of their gelsacs before their question could be been fully heard.)

  14. Re:Foresight? by sweetooth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It was named Phoenix as the mission was originally scrapped after the polar lander crash. When they revived the project they renamed it Phoenix. It's also unlikely that it will be revived in the next martian summer. The reason being that where the rover is, it will be cold enough for the solar cells and other components to be destroyed.

  15. Re:Foresight? by petermgreen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    IIRC they expect carbon dioxide to freeze onto the solar panels and break them off.

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  16. possible failure modes by unix_geek_512 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is possible the lander is receiving insufficient solar radiation to keep its batteries charged in the middle of winter.

    Another possibility is that key components may have failed due to the extreme weather conditions at the landing site, which is further North than any other landing location to date.

    There is still a glimmer of hope that the lander might come back to life in 6-8 months as the weather improves, if it has not suffered a catastrophic failure.

  17. P'NIX by Vandil+X · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the 23rd century, it will be known as an entity named "P'NIX" whose new role is to return to Earth to unite with its Creator.

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    1. Re:P'NIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe that explains all that spam then, the future is trying to send us a message! P'NIXISLARGER! But how can we use Icelandic Lager to destroy a mechanical monster?

  18. More info by iamlucky13 · · Score: 4, Informative

    As the NASA article mentions, you can find more info from the Phoenix team's official website: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/

    Also, the Planetary Society has done a great job following the mission, and there's an extremely detailed update one of their members wrote based on a phone interview with the Phoenix project manager shortly after the last contact with Phoenix was made last week.

    Here's a quick summary: Phoenix has been reducing operational tempo for several weeks. In anticipation of having too little power to run the robotic arm and inability to communicate in late November for a few weeks as Mars passes behind the sun, they hurried sample delivery to a few more TEGA ovens for analysis, but they still had one oven-load left to analyze when the dust storm hit that dropped power levels below a sustainable point. However, despite that, they had already met all of their operational objectives. The extra data would have been a bonus.

    When they saw the dust storm coming, they tried to power down almost all non-essential systems, but weren't quite in time. As a result, the batteries drained completely and it "browned out." The next day, the batteries charged enough to wake up in what they call "Lazarus mode" and try communicating, but it likely missed the relay window with the orbiters. Over a couple days, they got some intermittent communications, and were hoping to be able to send instructions to properly time the wake-up for best chance at communications and best utilization of what little solar power its getting each day, but apparently that hasn't yet succeeded. They were hoping to get temperature and soil conductivity measurements periodically, and maybe even a few pictures of CO2 ice starting to cake up in the area.

    It may still be in Lazarus mode, or something may have failed due to the thermal contraction of the electronics (ex: solder and circuit board material expand at different rates...too extreme of a temperature shift and things start popping apart) ending it for good. There is still some hope that Phoenix will survive the frigid temperatures and even the weight of a meter-thick layer of CO2 ice to awaken in the spring. That's what Lazarus mode was created for, but the hope of that has always been very small.

    There's a really interesting tidbit about a microphone that's part of the descent camera. On a whim they tried to use it a couple weeks ago to record wind sounds, but it didn't start up. Then one of the team members had a conversation with blind man who pointed out that he'll never see a picture of Mars, so he had really been hoping the microphone would work so he could experience it through sound. That really motivated the team to try the microphone again, but unfortunately, it sounds like they didn't have a chance with that either.

    I've been following this mission on a nearly daily basis since landing. It's been neat to see Phoenix in action, and no doubt a busy few months for the team. I'm sure they'll feel somewhat relieved to return to living by a 24 hour clock and have the leisure to analyze all the data and the 25,000+ pictures it returned. I'll never forget the shot Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter got of it drifting down to the surface with Heimdall Crater in the background. In my opinion, it's one of the top 10 space images ever. The MRO team even claims that if you look really close at the full size version, you can see a black-spec a few hundred pixels beneath the lander that is the just-released heat shield falling away.

    Well done Phoenix.

  19. No problem by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have one of the rovers pass by and give it a good whack. Works with most of the junk around my house.

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  20. Designs for future missions by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder if we would be better off putting up solar array around mars, and then beams power down. These landers and rovers could then have super capacitors for storage.This approach would allow us to re-use a major subsystem across multiple systems. The nice advantage is that it would allow future explorers to have power all over the planet.

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