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Scientists Create Easier Way To Embed Objects Into Video

Ashutosh Saxena writes "Stanford artificial intelligence researchers have developed software that makes it easy to reach inside an existing video and place a photo on the wall so realistically that it looks like it was there from the beginning. The photo is not pasted on top of the existing video, but embedded in it. It works for videos as well — you can play a video on a wall inside your video. The technology can cheaply do some of the tricks normally performed by expensive commercial editing systems. The researchers suggest that anyone with a video camera might earn some spending money by agreeing to have unobtrusive corporate logos placed inside their videos before they are posted online."

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  1. Youtube by TBoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I thought there was more than enough advertisement on YouTube as it was already.

    1. Re:Youtube by DarthJohn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I thought there was more than enough advertisement on YouTube as it was already.

      But not in our dreams! Nosiree!

    2. Re:Youtube by lysergic.acid · · Score: 3, Funny

      yea, it's kinda sad that they developed such a cool tech, and the first thing they thought to do with it is to plaster everyone's home videos with Coca-Cola logos. i mean, how much are you really going to be paid by Coca-Cola to add their logo to your home videos? does video documentation of your child's first steps or first words really need corporate sponsorship?

      some things don't need to be monetized. now, covering up the playboy posters in videos of your dorm room to send to your parents--that's a useful application.

  2. Yeah, that'll work by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The researchers suggest that anyone with a video camera might earn some spending money by agreeing to have unobtrusive corporate logos placed inside their videos before they are posted online.

    Just like web surfers no longer even glance at banner ads anymore, people will learn to ignore any corporate logos in videos (even if they really ARE there in real life!).

    1. Re:Yeah, that'll work by HardCase · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder if it would be just as easy to take them out?

  3. The death of advertising by StrategicIrony · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does anyone notice that the more pervasive advertising is, the less effective it is?

    In other words, people build filters for it. I know within younger generations, advertising is almost invisible.

    I recall older people at work asking me "did you notice that new ad on the webpage?"

    To which I responded "uhm... our webpage has ads?"

    Because I spend enough time on the web to have almost totally filtered them out (yeah, adblock does a bunch of that for me, but even without it....)

    I don't think I could tell you after a TV show, who the sponsors were. Commercial time is just blank in my mind because I tune it out.

    I don't think I've EVER clicked on an ad in a webpage. I don't know for sure, but television and radio advertising rarely affect my purchasing decisions, at least not in a way I can discern.

    So, legitimately, how powerful is a wall-hanging logo for Pepsi in some random goofy youtube video ACTUALLY going to be?

    Am I a total oddity in not even noticing most advertising?

    1. Re:The death of advertising by nysus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You think you are immune, but you are not. Perhaps you are not interested in 99.9% of the products out there. But when an ad for that that product or service you are interested in, you will pay attention.

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    2. Re:The death of advertising by StrategicIrony · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Probably.

      I saw ads for the new Nikon camera, which reminded me I had meant to drop by the local camera shop because It was something I'd been wanting to do (upgrade my camera)

      I ended up doing some research and bought a Canon from an online discount shop.

      Yay for Nikon ads.

    3. Re:The death of advertising by Tom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So, legitimately, how powerful is a wall-hanging logo for Pepsi in some random goofy youtube video ACTUALLY going to be?

      A lot more than you realize.

      Advertisement is one of the most heavily researched areas of our lives. A good fraction of psychology research is, directly or indirectly, related to the effects and effectiveness of advertisement. While it is almost impossible to correctly estimate any specific ad or campaign, the general effects of advertisement are extremely well researched.

      So you don't consciously register the ads anymore. Do you think the advertisers care? No, not in the least. They were never targeting your consciousness anyways. Advertisement is about embedding stuff into your subconscious mind - desires for a specific product, good feelings about a specific brand, that kind of stuff.

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    4. Re:The death of advertising by gknoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but television and radio advertising rarely affect my purchasing decisions, at least not in a way I can discern.

      It's probable that some advertising DOES affect you, even if you don't realize it. Do you buy generic drugs, or name brand, for example? (I know I occasionally buy Alleve, despite knowing that it's the same thing as the generic naproxin right next to it. Why?? It's not logical.)

      If you had to find car insurance, where would you go? The first thing that pops in my mind is Geico, Allstate, etc -- [i]despite[/i] my knowledge that there is the internet with which to compare services and the like.

    5. Re:The death of advertising by jmhoule314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't mean to pick on you but I just happened to get a little fed up as I reached this spot. You may make effort to avoid advertising but unless board yourself into your house and don't talk to anybody, you are failing miserably. I find it odd that we are having a sort of dick measuring contest based on how few commercials we watch. I however don't find it the slightest bit odd that we don't even realize just how bombarded by advertisements we are, and apparently don't even know what an advertisement is.

      It seems to be the general consensus on this thread that advertising is TV spots radio spots and web banner ads. We are completely ignoring labeling(branding), word of mouth advertising(Your friends might not have the strength you have) and astro-turfing to name a few. Right now if i look around my desk I see Cisco, Compucom, Dell, TI, Tripp-Lite, Frito-Lat, Vitamin Water/Coke, Dunkin Donuts, EMC, Google, Think Geek, GV, Dickies, GE, Intel, Microsoft, IDG, O'Reilly, RCA, Slashdot, and MBTA. And I'm not even looking that hard. We all see billboards, people holding Dunkin Donuts cups, signs for businesses, peoples opinions that have been influenced by advertising or hear a brand name used as a synonym for the product(pampers, Kleenex, asparin). Ad block and Tivos(sorry DVRS) can help but we nevertheless cannot escape.

    6. Re:The death of advertising by Machtyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreeing with parent, I will give my own anecdotal evidence. The more I see a KFC, Wendy's or Burger King commercial, the more I might think about it, even subconsciously. There are even BK product placements in one of the games I like to play (NFS:U2). Unfortunately for Wendy's and BK, I don't act on my impulse very often / at all, KFC a little more often (say once or twice a month as opposed to once or twice in 3 months).

      The point is that the ad placements do tend to get me to think about the brand.

  4. Oh, thank goodness! by JonTurner · · Score: 2

    Because if there's one thing we all need in our lives, it's more inane advertising plastered over every square inch of vertical surfaces.

    1. Re:Oh, thank goodness! by drexlor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe someday it will be like in Futurama:

      Leela: Didn't you have ad's in the 20th century?
      Fry: Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio. And in magazines. And movies. And at ball games and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts and written on the sky. But not in dreams. No siree!

      Last night I dreamed about The Office cast in a Seinfield episode. Maybe NBC is already working on the technology.

  5. John Holmes move over... by TheNecromancer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes! Now you too can star in your very own pr0n movie!

    Ah, the wonders of software!

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  6. It will, and does by LockeOnLogic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Modern advertising/branding isn't about actively convincing you anymore. It's about creating a pervasive environment of exposure in which you become familiar with a brand/product/logo whatever. In the store people are then more likely to subconsciously reach for Tide or Tylenol (despite the fact that generics are composed of essentially the same active ingredients) because they are familiar.

    Nobody pays much attention to TV commercials anymore, and haven't for some time. Have advertisers markedly decreased their buying of TV commercial time? No, because you don't have to pay attention for it to work.

    1. Re:It will, and does by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's about creating a pervasive environment of exposure

      Also an effective way to brainwash a person too.

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    2. Re:It will, and does by compro01 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's the exact same principle. The only difference is the magnitude of the effect.

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    3. Re:It will, and does by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've noticed that ads are being chained to increase effectiveness.

      For example, The SNL episode featuring the fake Sarah Palin had a later skit which showcased the MS Surface technology, then showed the Microsoft ads during the commercial breaks. Another show featured a very distinctive necklace worn by some lade ghost in a mirror on some chick show, and coincidentally the exact same necklace was featured in a commercial which sold them for some kind of real-life charity.

    4. Re:It will, and does by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In the store people are then more likely to subconsciously reach for Tide or Tylenol (despite the fact that generics are composed of essentially the same active ingredients) because they are familiar.

      I guess once again I'm outside the bell curve, as I use generics almost exclusively. Tylenol? Doesn't work. Advil? Hell no, generic Naproxin Sodium is 1/3 the price. Tide? Yeah, becasue I haven't found anything that works as good. Listerine? Yes, that brand was shown to reduce incidence of gum disease which I suffer from, and the generics are watered down, you can tell because they don't burn as bad (yes, I did try them and found them wanting).

      However, NEGATIVE ads work well on me. Sony's rootkit bit me when my daughter trusted BMG and I'll never buy another Sony product again. I spent so much time under the hood of my Mustang in 1970 that I never again bought another Ford. Tyson Foods burned two dozen Mexicans alive in Georgia in the 1980s because they chained the fire exits shut to keep them from stealing chicken parts (a manager spent 2 years in prison for twenty five horrible deaths) and I'll pay MORE for generic meat than buy Tyson.

      And some ads are so annoying that I deliberatly avoid the products.

      You would think that the corporates would learn. It's an old adage that if you're happy with a product you MIGHT tell a friend, but if you feel like you've been ripped off you'll tell everybody.

    5. Re:It will, and does by ericrost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Advil? Hell no, generic Naproxin Sodium is 1/3 the price.

      Well you may want to price it against ibuprofen since that's the active ingredient. Just sayin'

    6. Re:It will, and does by wastedlife · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably meant to say Aleve.

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    7. Re:It will, and does by undertow3886 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interesting, you admit you're outside the bell curve and then expect corporations to learn from your example? I think it'd be more worth it to them to pay attention to the middle of that bell curve. :-)

      You know well why they'll keep doing stuff like the rootkit thing. Most people don't care, and the ones who do aren't present in large enough numbers for them to change their strategy.

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    8. Re:It will, and does by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I particularly liked how a CSI:NY episode matched the marks on a dismembered body's bones to the blade of a particular brand of cordless reciprocating saw, then the same saw was advertised in the commercial break, just in case you had some bodies you needed to dismember.

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    9. Re:It will, and does by Ron_Fitzgerald · · Score: 2, Informative

      That was My Name is Earl. The character Joy watched the commercial in the show (they showed most of the commercial in the show) and she started name dropping the product. Soon after during the commercial break that commercial was on for real. I love the show but when the show was over I turned to my wife and said if they did that again I wouldn't be a viewer any more.

      It may sound childish but that was too much.

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    10. Re:It will, and does by MarkvW · · Score: 3, Funny

      The word 'brainwash' has always intrigued me. It sounds like it would be a good thing to have your brain washed. It would then be clean, fresh, and ready for its next adventure!

      Besides, people with dirty minds probably could use a little brainwashing.

      Greetings from Stepford!

    11. Re:It will, and does by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can wash my brain if you want, but only with Tide or Tylenol.

      Wait, why did I say Tylenol?

    12. Re:It will, and does by dfsmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      I guess the Advil advertising works on you then.

    13. Re:It will, and does by plover · · Score: 3, Informative

      I was worried about being dismissed as one 'o' them tinfoil-hat people. Will paranoia become the new "sane"? :)

      It already has, but we've all agreed to not tell you.

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    14. Re:It will, and does by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And the only way to discourage this is if enough people start actively working against it. When I am looking for a product and I recognise a brand but can't think of which independent source told me something good about it, I actively choose something else.

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    15. Re:It will, and does by shadow349 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tyson Foods burned two dozen Mexicans alive in Georgia in the 1980s because they chained the fire exits shut to keep them from stealing chicken parts (a manager spent 2 years in prison for twenty five horrible deaths) and I'll pay MORE for generic meat than buy Tyson.

      You are basing your opinion of a whole company and all of its current and future products on the actions of a small group of people who made an error in judgment 20+ years ago? Sounds pretty petty to me.

      - Ryan Jacobson
      Union Carbide, Project Manager
      Bhopal Division

    16. Re:It will, and does by emandres · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ibuprofen
      Aleve (Naproxen)
      They're not the same thing. Although certain OTC varieties might contain ibuprofen, it is not the active ingredient.

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    17. Re:It will, and does by mpeskett · · Score: 2, Informative

      It comes from (if memory serves) a Chinese phrase for "cleansing the mind".

      In other words, driving out all those dirty capitalist thoughts and learning to love the communist party

      More info here

  7. remove advertising? by mevets · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Couldn't I use this to remove the objects/logos/animations just as effectively? I would likely pay for that!

  8. I was afraid this might happen by idontgno · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When American football television broadcasts started featuring real-time "underlays" of such play-by-play landmarks as line of scrimmage and first down mark, a worried little voice at the back of my head wondered if someone would use this technology to underlay advertising. I think I've seen just such things (i.e., digitally-projected advertising hoardings in the video background, even logos "projected" into the playing field). Now this kind of stuff will be easy and ubiquitous.

    As little as we can trust digital visual media now, it'll be even less trustworthy.

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    1. Re:I was afraid this might happen by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They already do - those advertising boards on the side? They're electronically generated - have been for years. That's why when you see something played in another country all the adverts are in english.

  9. Stanford sold out by coolsnowmen · · Score: 2, Funny

    It is nice to see top universities working on better advertising. You know, I was thinking to myself just yesterday, "There is just not enough product placement in society. I hope someone makes it easier to put advertising in digital media."

    1. Re:Stanford sold out by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dunno, it seems that this knowledge is directly applicable to all kinds of serious real-world problems involving computer vision, particularly automated car driving (the Stanford connection might just be a coincidence, but there's a lot of overlap).

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  10. Somebody tell the BertIsEvil guy. by sneakyimp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Somebody tell the BertIsEvil guy.

  11. A few points of note: by xquark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Initially from a computer forensics pov, it would be trivial to detect if a video has been altered, however i think with further improvements in the embedding technology where the actual advert piece is better rendered to take into account surrounding lighting conditions it might become more difficult, however not impossible to detect intentional modifications

    2. Just as with current browser ad-blockers, the these ads can also be blocked out, in-fact the technology proves that complex camera conditions such as rotational pan(the heros examples) and occlusion (fat chick on couch) can be easily determined, so creating a blank out mask of a texture that is close to the surrounding surface would also be quiet doable, perhaps not real-time at the moment, but doable nonetheless, and most definitely live sometime in the future perhaps.

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  12. Nothing new here by sunderland56 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maybe these Stanford geeks don't watch football... that yellow first-down line is actually *not* painted on the field, it's inserted into the live video feed electronically. While doing it live requires some reasonable amount of processing power, doing it by non-real-time processing is pretty trivial (it's just a 3D texture map).

    The technology to do this was commonly available in the mid-90's.

    1. Re:Nothing new here by BetterSense · · Score: 2, Funny

      Like your Soliton Radar, it's all made from currently existing technology.

    2. Re:Nothing new here by xquark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually you're wrong, conceptually its a similar process but the method is very different. The video processing done in football games requires 4+ cameras to be position around the arena, the camera locations are known exactly, furthermore the cameras are all high frame rate, hi resolution.

      From the article it seems to suggest one can take some arbitrary video that has non-degenerative camera motion and embed images/video into it, doing this requires knowing the optical flow of all the moving objects in the scene, the camera motion and positions (to scale) from frame to frame - these are very difficult/different things.

      In conclusion, going from deliberate views to arbitrary views is somewhat complex, so don't pooh-pooh the technology straight-away just because you don't understand it or have seen something similar before.

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  13. Aww I wanted real poo.. by DigitalReverend · · Score: 2, Funny

    ummmm.... It sucks when all my wit is spent in the subject line of my response.

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  14. Re:oh look, its the anti-ad crowd by StrategicIrony · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am a member of a number of websites with no advertising, even large ones.

    I even pay subscription fees to some.

    The fact that there is so much advertising that I tune it out has little to no relevance to your desire for me not to share my opinion, or your belief that my opinion is going to shut down Slashdot... or whatever.

    Frankly, I made my income for 5 years off advertising, but we did it in a way that was not stupid banner ads. There were active discussion forums about products related to our content, where people got together to purchase the product for a volume discount and in exchange for organizing it, the site took a moderate cut.

    The people got a better deal than they would have without that service and the site was able to make a decent income doing it.

    Of course, that was ages ago, but the fact still stands that there are unobtrusive means to conduct business.

    On another hand, I block advertising as a side effect.

    I block third party cookies, I use NOScript and FlashBlock for legitimate security reasons. The fact that this effectively kills about 95% of advertising isn't really my problem.

    They want to drop cookies on my machine and make flash animations fly all over and I don't allow unauthorized flash animations.

    Google ads still appear for me, and those are often quite relevant, but one issue is that I don't purchase things online through random retailers FOR SECURITY REASONS, so those ads have little to no benefit to me.

    If I want to buy something online, I'll go find a retailer rating website where I can choose a few good retailers to check out and make an educated decision from there and only purchase from reputable stores, regardless of the advertising.

    I never called anyone stupid or called for the decline of slashdot, but I won't pretend that ads are super-duper effective, just so that you don't get upset.

  15. Re:oh look, its the anti-ad crowd by Mystra_x64 · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are ads on Slashdot? (O_o)

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  16. Re:Help Please by camperdave · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because simply overlaying an image with opacity wouldn't allow foreground objects to move in front of the image, or for the image to change dynamically with the motion of the camera or the background object. Follow the link in the story and watch the video. The cool stuff starts about 1:40 minutes in.

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  17. Re:oh look, its the anti-ad crowd by Zarquil · · Score: 2, Funny

    We call them "Slashvertisements" or something like that. I think it's the uninteresting stories that are promoting a product and / or service.

    It's not like we're reading TFA's anyways..

  18. Think like a corporation by riceboy50 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The researchers suggest that anyone with a video camera might earn some spending money by agreeing to have unobtrusive corporate logos placed inside their videos before they are posted online.

    More like Google will insert said logos into said videos upon your posting them on YouTube.

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  19. Generics by plover · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (despite the fact that generics are composed of essentially the same active ingredients)

    Have you bought generic or third party hardware before? I'm thinking of a replacement car fender a body shop once tried to sell me. The steel was thinner than the original steel, and much more flexible. The rolled form of the fender didn't exactly line up with the rolled form of the original. The factory fender, on the other hand, was a perfect match to the original part. I'm sure the car would have *looked* like it was supposed to, but if you examine the fit and finish up close, it's evident that it's not a perfect match.

    I think of that every time I buy a generic product. You pay less for a generic product for many reasons: the lack of a patent license or advertising are only two attributes of the lower cost. The materials may be inferior. The measurements may not be as precise. How many of those "low quality" attributes carry over to generic medicines? Am I getting the correct dosage? Is this product cut with food-grade corn starch or with clay dug out from the field next to the factory? Did they copy the binding agents that keep it from irritating my stomach, or did they use their own binding agents that might not work for me, and do those new agents have any interactions with the medicine?

    I'm not saying generics are bad or ineffective -- I usually buy them. But I always think of the quality differences on the products I can see, and wonder about those differences that I can't.

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    1. Re:Generics by StrategicIrony · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are cases for generic and cases for non-generic.

      There's nothing to say that brands are evil, just that brands with heavy advertising aren't necessarily more worthy of a purchase.

      When it comes to drugs, generics actually ARE composed of essentially the same thing, but when it comes to card or liquor or computer parts, "generics" are definitely not.

      However, purchasing a car bumper because the TV showed a hot woman rubbing on it is different than purchasing it because it's a superior product.

      That's the contention this whole thread. Some people seem to think that advertising legitimately will make me pay more for an identical or inferior product, without my conscious knowledge, which I have argued as a bit of bunk, at least the enormous majority of the time, for me personally.

    2. Re:Generics by Ihmhi · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've tried generic alcohol before. It didn't sit with me well at all.

      Long story short, keep away from the Isopropyl brand of hard liquor. It may be cheap, but you sure do pay for it tomorrow!

    3. Re:Generics by plover · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, when it comes to generics, drugs are not very different than car doors. The chemicals are supposed to be the same, but the other components may be cheaper. And there may be qualitative functional differences in the packaging. "Time release" is sometimes achieved by coating particles with compounds that have measured rates of decomposition in stomach acid, and with some percentage of particles to be coated heavier than others. There is no guarantee that a generic has to mimic that behavior, or that a generic uses the same coatings, or that a generic will release the same percentage over time. Those coatings and methods are frequently the targets of their own patents.

      For example, if a doctor prescribes one 1000mg pill of time release brand X per day, your pharmacist may tell you to take one 250mg tablet of generic X every six hours, or two 500mg tablets every 12 hours, based on the effects of the drug.

      Now, does that matter when you're talking acetaminophen? No. Aspirin? Maybe you need to shop around if you have a sensitive stomach, but for the most part no. But antidepressants or blood pressure medications? Do you really know what those extra "brand name" attributes are, or how they would affect you? I'm not a pharmacist, so I certainly wouldn't.

      Of course, to your point, scare tactic advertising was part of the lawsuit against Knoll Pharmaceuticals, makers of Synthroid. For seven years, they suppressed their own paid-for study that showed the generic levothyroxine was equally as effective as their name brand Synthroid. They advertised heavily that you should only trust the brand name drug, all the while knowing that generics were bioequivalent.

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