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In AU, Dodgy Dell Deal Faces Consumer Backlash

Ben Seberry writes "It appears Dell has been caught red-faced by yet another pricing mistake on their Australian website. Many customers thought they had spotted a fantastic deal when they came across a 55%-off offer. Dell later denied that this was a valid special and telephoned customers to offer them a choice of the standard price, or a cancelled order. Dell's senior manager of corporate communication came out and apologized for the mistake, promising processes would be reviewed to prevent it from happening again. In the days after the original 'incorrectly priced' offer was fixed, Dell made a different error leading to an even cheaper price being advertised. This time, on many user forums and blogs, users are debating Australian contract law as it applies to this matter — it is not as clear-cut as many originally believed."

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  1. Too good to be true? by Kokuyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know about US economic laws but in Switzerland, if something is obviously too good to be true and there has been a mistake, the company can actually declare any contracts made invalid.

    Or if it's a real life product in a real life windows with a hilariously low price, the sales people are not obligated to make the sale at that price.

    So if it's too good to be true you'll have to expect it to actually BE too good to be true.

    The tough question just is: Is 55% off unrealistic?

    1. Re:Too good to be true? by Desipis · · Score: 5, Funny

      The tough question just is: Is 55% off unrealistic?

      Here in Oz we routinely get ads for rug stores with 90% off.

    2. Re:Too good to be true? by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So they get to continue to falsely advertise as much as they want, as long as the discount is low enough?

      Now first time, sure its a mistake. Second time though? And only days later. They didn't double check and make sure it was right?

    3. Re:Too good to be true? by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually the laws governing this are state determined by state government legistlation.

      In NSW (where I live) it _used_ to be the case that retailers were obliged to sell at the advertised price, this was changed a decade or so ago.

      Unfortunately, the consumer protection laws were comletely watered down; I can see the argument for a mistake in an advertisment, but the laws covering warranties are now effectively non-existent. If you have a problem during the warranty period the retailer can pass-the-buck onto the manufacturer or distributer and of course when they inevitably turn out to be in another state or country the only recourse you have is to file a civil suit.

      I found this out the hard way, and was told by the NSW dept of consumer affairs (or whatever they call themselves these days) that they were unable to do anything other than contact the retailer on my behalf, the retailer told them to get stuffed, so they said the only way forward was to sue.

      In Australia the retailer is obliged to honour any published price, even if the price is a mistake or a typo in the printing of a catalogue. Failure to do so will leave the retailer liable to legal action if enough people raise complaints to the ACCC.

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    4. Re:Too good to be true? by calmofthestorm · · Score: 4, Informative

      And you pay for what you get. All my dells (all laptops, all inspirons, all 3 of them) have died within a year of my buying them, and every month or so after that. To be fair, i always got the warranty so for medium-low reliability it works great: every time it breaks, Dell fixes it in a few days.

      Eventually I got sick of a few days downtime very month or so on my primary system and just forked over the cash for a thinkpad.

      It was a wise decision. I still see TPs around from six or seven years ago, still in working condition.

      Then again, my usage profile is...nontypical. I don't drop it but I do carry it from place to place a lot. I wouldn't say I abuse it, but I do use it quite a bit. Inspiron is consumer grade, thinkpad is corporate grade.

      Dell desktops, on the other hand, I've never been disappointed by.

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    5. Re:Too good to be true? by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All of the consumer lines (I have owned) from every company have disappointed me.

      This includes Macbooks, HPs, Dells, and IBMs.

      Pretty consistently the business lines are decent, but you pay an extra couple hundred (worth it) spec for spec often.

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    6. Re:Too good to be true? by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would normally say "it's an Acer", but if you do a little research, you'll find something interesting about WalMart products. Virtually every product in WalMart, is made specifically for WalMart. They are made slightly cheaper so WalMart can lower the final cost and always undercut their competition.

          I found this out with Sony HandCams. One place I worked had about a dozen of them for live web broadcasting (make assumptions, you're probably right). Two broke, so we went to a Sony authorized repair shop. He looked at them, or more specifically at the model, and heard our complaint. He then told us "I can't fix that". He wasn't trying to be difficult, so he explained that this model was a WalMart model. The broken component was something that breaks very quickly. He can't get replacements for it. If it had been another model from another retail outlet, he would have been more than happy to fix it, but it probably wouldn't have broken anyways.

          We had saved $50/ea on them. If I recall correctly even though they were simply sitting on tripods, attached by RCA cable to digitizers, 90% of them had some sort of failure within a year. I took one of the few surviving ones, just because we retired all of them. I left it charging on my desk, and one day it just started opening the tape door on it's own. I could close it, and sometime in the next few days it would just open it like someone hit the eject button.

          If you want something that will survive, don't buy it at WalMart, even if it looks just like the item being sold somewhere else, and only has a very subtle variation on the model number. WalMart makes their money selling crap at a price lower than the other stores can sell their slightly better crap. They know when it breaks, you will probably go back to WalMart and buy another one, blaming the manufacturer, not WalMart business practices.

          Read this story about Snapper discontinuing business with WalMart

          or this Business Week piece on lower quality Walmart products

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  2. My experience by Circlotron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I live in Melbourne, Australia. A well known consumer test magazine here, Choice, said about 20 years ago that an advertised or store-posted price was only "an invitation to enter into a contract of sale" and was not binding on the seller. That said, it is fairly common for most larger shops to give you the item at the advertised price when it is incorrect (i.e low). I once got six pieces of wood from a hardware shop that were marked at $4 each instead of $11 each. They pointed this out to me at the checkout and after checking that the rest of their stock was also marked at this price (not just mine ;-) ) gave it to me at this low price anyway.

  3. Sometimes right, sometimes wrong.. by Orphaze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think whether or not this is wrong depends entirely on whether or not money as changed hands at the time the error is noticed.

    For instance, we would not consider a car dealership to be contractually bound to sell cars for $3000 a piece if a typo caused a zero to be left off the price in an advertisement. An advertisement or coupon simply does not constitute a contract.

    In that same vein, I would argue that making an internet purchase is not a contract as well, or rather, at least not initially. Giving a company your credit information and clicking "Purchase" is not the same as handing another person cash and shaking hands, as that credit information must first be authorized and processed before money is actually transferred. Until that is done, the transaction (and hence, contract) has not been completed, and you the consumer aren't entitled to anything. Consequently, if an error is found at this stage, I see nothing wrong with a company cancelling the order in question.

    If money is transferred, that is a whole different ball of wax. The deal is then done, and a business should be held to whatever price they stated. At that point they have taken your money, depriving you the use of it for anything else, and it is not acceptable for them to cancel the order simply because of their incompetence, anymore than they can call you up a month later and demand more money for an item you already purchased.

  4. This happened in Chile, twice this year by diethelm · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has happened here in Chile twice during 2008. In both cases Dell backed out of all sales, to great outrage. The second time it happened, I thought it was rather fishy; now that I see the same thing going on in Australia, it is starting to look like a corporate "marketing" policy.