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Why the Widening Gender Gap In Computer Science?

ruheling writes "From yesterday's New York Times: ' What Has Driven Women Out of Computer Science?' In many US universities, over the past decade, there has been deliberate effort to integrate and encourage women and girls to get more involved in the 'hard' sciences, engineering, and math. However, instead of the proportion of women to men increasing, in Computer Science the opposite is actually true. Specifically, in 2001-2, only 28 percent of all undergraduate degrees in computer science went to women. Now many computer science departments report that women now make up less than 10 percent of the newest undergraduates. What's going on here, folks?"

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  1. Obvious.... by The+Dancing+Panda · · Score: 5, Funny

    You guys are being creepy. Girls don't like creepy dudes leering at them all the time.

    1. Re:Obvious.... by jjohn · · Score: 5, Funny

      No doubt that the CS field is "socially challenged" at times. However, there are plenty of women in the military. These women face an almost institutionalized form of sexual harassment. This has not dimensioned the enrollment of females into the armed services.

      I second your call for male nerds to dial down the stalker instinct. You aren't the first to complain of it.

      While we're Blue Skying, I'd also like to call for wider adoption of deodorant in the CS field.

    2. Re:Obvious.... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      tits || gtfo

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    3. Re:Obvious.... by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 5, Funny

      But there is a girl in the classroom! I'm going to show her some cool macros...

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    4. Re:Obvious.... by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Funny

      <annoying-voice>because that would be sexist!</annoying-voice>

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    5. Re:Obvious.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yes, That appears to be the new CS recruitment strategy.

    6. Re:Obvious.... by Count+Fenring · · Score: 4, Funny

      To be fair, she's a whackjob, and one who belongs to the fringe-end of evangelical churches.

      Again, I'm not making a judgment on her (or anyone else in the race) on religious grounds, but that's a fair one to make, if you are.

    7. Re:Obvious.... by pohl · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...but the military is full of men who exhibit alpha-male traits, while the guys in CS are typically in a perpetual state of beta â" with only dreams of sweet release.

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    8. Re:Obvious.... by genner · · Score: 4, Funny

      >While we're Blue Skying, I'd also like to call for wider adoption of deodorant in the CS field.

      Would you accept a friendly amendment to you motion to call for wider adoption of regular bathing and clothes laundering?

      Ok but I'm not going to iron my shirt.

    9. Re:Obvious.... by MrMarket · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yawn... You're post is sooooo pre-11/4/08. Welcome to the new world order.

    10. Re:Obvious.... by PylonHead · · Score: 5, Funny

      What could people be so afraid of, except her being a powerful Republican ticket in the future?

      Yes. We're quaking in our boots. You should definitely choose this fine woman to be your 2012 nominee. That would teach us.

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    11. Re:Obvious.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why would you? I've got a girl who does that for me.

    12. Re:Obvious.... by jbolden · · Score: 4, Funny

      What do you think "speaking in tongues means"? This is just a form of shared social experience your culture doesn't engage in. A religion which worships a cracker as the literal body of some 2000 year man/god can't really complain too much about nonsense syllables.

    13. Re:Obvious.... by somethingwicked · · Score: 5, Funny

      My idea of American 'culture' is fast food, celebrities, gas guzzling cars, and guns. Have I missed anything?

      I am always taken back by how people in other countries think about us.

      It is horrifying to me that you left out porn...

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    14. Re:Obvious.... by FooGoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      One would think...but these are the same women that will complain to anyone who will listen that they can't find a good guy to be with...so go figure. It may explain why so few women are getting into CS though. It's a problem with logic.

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    15. Re:Obvious.... by Laxitive · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think you're being way too sensitive. We're not creepy at all. If only girls would understand that. Like this one girl I thought about a lot. I meticulously collected her hair over the course of weeks and used it to create a greeting card with the words "I'm thinking of you" spelled out using a mixture of her hair and my saliva.

      Even after that gracious welcome, she dropped out of the class shortly after joining. Guess CS is not for chicks after all.

      -Laxitive

  2. Lets See by tripdizzle · · Score: 2, Funny
    Cant wait to see what all the female /.'s have to say about this.

    Wait, What? No female /.'s??

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  3. Listen to Barbie by First+Person · · Score: 3, Funny

    Simple, because "Math is Hard". That and they're tired of their male colleagues saying, "Byte me", "Mind if I nibble for a bit", and similar worn out expressions as pickup lines.

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  4. Brain size by sxltrex · · Score: 5, Funny

    With props to Will Ferrell, the funniest man alive:

    A woman's brain is one-third the size of ours. It's science.

    1. Re:Brain size by troll8901 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Women's brains may be 10% smaller (Brain Size: 1130 vs 1260 cc), but I believe they're more advanced, uses less energy, and generates less heat.

      They appear to be:

      1. Multi-core, capable of thinking of several things simultaneously.
      2. Real-time OS, hardly freezes (even when staring at handsome men).
      3. Proprietary OS, difficult to reverse-engineer or predict.
      4. Secure, always having secrets that will never be revealed.
      5. Highly efficient I/O, capable of 30000 words per day.
      6. Threat-ready, capable of out-talking (and sometimes out-thinking) any opponent.

      Why women avoid pursuing a CS career is a mystery to me.

    2. Re:Brain size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The problem is when you try to create a beowulf cluster of them it quickly degenerates into name calling, hair pulling, and passive aggressive threats behind a thin scary veil of cheer.

  5. Re:Widening gap in first posts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    daemonisation of men

    I got fired from my last job, so I'm staying home with the kids. I suppose that means I got Terminated, and I Stay Resident instead.

  6. Re:Women don't want to do CS? by Cormacus · · Score: 5, Funny

    You should talk to a few RN's before you make the assertion that a nursing graduate has a more healthy lifestyle than a CS graduate. One of the nurses at the flu clinic recently had just come off of three straight "twelves." I was glad that it was the other lady who was giving me my shot . . .

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  7. Re:Dot... by ldierk · · Score: 4, Funny

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_2000 Woman study computer science because Finland rewrites its constitution?

  8. Girls? by Taulin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait...there are girls in CS? Plural?

  9. Re:Women don't want to do CS? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Funny

    To deal with the cold, hard logic of computers all day, you need to be comfortable with such an unemotional, machine-like environment. As an IT worker, I can tell you firsthand that many women aren't comfortable in situations like that. Far too many ex-girlfriends of mine have told me I'm "too much like a robot." To which I reply, "a sex robot?" And they say no. :-(

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  10. Re:Women don't want to do CS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yeah there were 2 males and 2 females. Something has changed with computer science since the 80's? Really? No kidding? So my Commodore Vic-20 isn't still the hottest machine around?

    boo hoo hoo. There aren't equal numbers of men and women in everything. You know what? I was in the mens room and I didn't see one woman in there. MY GOD!!! We must address the inequality!

    Of course when women do better or have a majority in something it's "Women ROCK!!!!" and when they don't it's "We must shatter this glass ceiling".

  11. Re:Women don't want to do CS? by maxume · · Score: 5, Funny

    Insightful? Parenting advice that includes giving a 1 year old a hammer?

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  12. Re:The girls are smarter by ppqq · · Score: 2, Funny

    So they'd prefer a bunch of nerds who do paint their nails?

  13. Re:Women don't want to do CS? by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 4, Funny

    Insightful? Parenting advice that includes giving a 1 year old a hammer?

    What can I say? We're liberal parents?

    Here is a link to the toy hammer employed by our little doll-smasher. Hopefully that clears up any confusion.

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  14. Re:The girls are smarter by demonbug · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you follow the females, you will figure out where the next job boom will be.

    I tried that, and all I got was this lousy jail cell.

  15. Re:Women don't want to do CS? by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's your fault for naming the cat HAMMER.

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  16. huh? by Wescotte · · Score: 3, Funny

    What happened on 11/4/08?

  17. Re:Women don't want to do CS? by Garse+Janacek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Women in CS in the 80s was explained by the dot-com boom?

    Learn something new every day.

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  18. Re:The brainy girls are going to med school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    the creepy geek guys leering at them like they've never seen a live female before

    This just proves it: geeks are necrophiliacs! creepy geeks!