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Verizon Employees Fired For Snooping Obama's Record

longhairedgnome writes "The curiosity in President-elect Barack Obama's phone records came with a high price tag for Verizon Wireless employees. According to CNN, the workers who snooped on Obama's phone records have been fired. 'This was some employees' idle curiosity,' a company source told CNN and added 'we now consider this matter closed.' Justice served? What about legal possibilities?" Can we expect anyone who followed a warrantless wiretap from the Bush administration to also be fired then? I mean, they violated our privacy as well.

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  1. No. by Penguinoflight · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's becoming increasingly clear that only celebrities and criminals have the right to privacy.

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    1. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you mean politicans and criminals.

      Same thing.

    2. Re:No. by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it's clear that Obama is doing the best he can to not be a criminal, excluding lobbyists from his administration for example. Maybe give the guy a chance before you call him an outlaw? Jeez....

      Are you kidding? We berate ALL politicians here - why does Obama get a pass?

      Oh, I forgot - he's for Change. And apparently was born without original sin...

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    3. Re:No. by FredFredrickson · · Score: 4, Funny

      He poked a badger with a spoon...

      Does that count?

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    4. Re:No. by Danse · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you fail to understand the difference. The Imunity wasn't a free pass to say this was a good action. It was saying the government cohorsed you into doing this illegal action, as the government put pressure to do an illegal deed (AKA. Intrapment) they shouldn't need to suffer the legal reprocussions from it.

      First of all, please use a dictionary. Second, it's not like these corporations can be tricked into doing something illegal. They have packs of lawyers roaming their halls who have been dealing with FISA cases for decades. They know the law better than the government does most likely. They knew what they were doing wasn't legal. They did it anyway.

      Your traffic analogy is very flawed. Nobody is harmed by traffic being directed the wrong way as long as it is controlled by someone. Happens all the time when there is construction. It's more like a cop asking you to do something that you know is illegal, such as shooting someone. You know it's illegal, no matter what the cop says, and once you've done it, you can't take it back. Why would you do it?

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    5. Re:No. by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
      "Imagine every time you left your house, you had people following you around, asking you questions about what some tabloid rag said about you, and taking enough pictures of you to leave you blind."

      Well, if I had the cash that went along with that status...I think I could live with it.

      Sure makes it easier to get laid whenever you want, by just about whomever you wanted....

      Damn....wish I'd studied to be a world famous guitarist in my earlier years....I've come to find that there are just not that many great looking chicks out there, screaming your name, throwing their panties at you yelling "NICE DATABASE".

      :(

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    6. Re:No. by jasper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Always attack never defend has become the new debate style in American politics. This was brought on by news commentators making outrageous claims and forcing the opposition to defend and legitimize the claim.

      Cry about it all you want, but instead of attacking people you don't like, try defending the ones you do. You just get pushed around by bad logic, strawmen, and people that really don't care if they lie.

  2. Justice Served by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can we expect anyone who followed a warrantless wiretap from the Bush administration to also be fired then? I mean, they violated our privacy as well.

    No, you can expect President Bush to be fired for ordering the wiretap.

    1. Re:Justice Served by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, you can expect President Bush to be fired for ordering the wiretap.

      Unfortunately, we can't expect people like Nancy Pelosi - who has always been fully briefed on such things - to be fired for being such a hypocrite about it.

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    2. Re:Justice Served by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      (keep your friends close, and your enemies closer).

      What if your enemies have FUCKING SWORDS?

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    3. Re:Justice Served by AmericanGladiator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, you can expect President Bush to be fired for ordering the wiretap.

      No, you can expect President Bush to be fired because his term is over and it's time for him to GTFO. The Republicans were fired by the American people, although most of them hold key positions near Obama (keep your friends close, and your enemies closer).

      I would expect you to complain about Obama now, too. He voted in favor of extending the warrantless wiretapping legislation when in the Senate. I would expect him to continue the status quo. If you don't rail against him I would infer you care less about privacy and more about your favorite politician.

    4. Re:Justice Served by rhsanborn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Republicans were fired by the American people, although most of them hold key positions near Obama (keep your friends close, and your enemies closer).

      Or maybe he's keeping qualified people with diverse opinions close so that he doesn't pigeon-hole himself with people who tell him things he already knows. Several of the background stories on him covered his period at the Harvard Law Review where he upset many people because his election to that post didn't give all the open positions to people of the same political affiliation. He's doing the same here.

    5. Re:Justice Served by aaandre · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Being a hypocrite is a requirement of the job. Being caught committing illegal activities should get someone fired, though. Polititians being above the laws of the people is at the core of corruption and lack of accountability. Leads us back into monarchy, where the King's word is law and the King is above the law.

      Who keeps the government accountable? One minute of choice every four or so years certainly does not work very well.

    6. Re:Justice Served by Androclese · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm hoping the public will get smart and start demanding term limits on the Senate and House so that we have a better handle on the morons in there.

      I'm talking both sides... *ANYBODY* making a career of politics is going to lose touch with the people he is supposed to represent after a period of time. By forcing them out after a set period of time, they might actually try to get something *real* done instead of constantly trying to stay in office.

      Oh wait, this is the public we're talking about... *sigh*

  3. Privacy by mfh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article says that the employees did not access the "contents of the calls"... wait does that mean that Verizon has stored electronic recordings, or transcripts?!?! of all of Obama's calls?!?!

    Or does this mean that Verizon does not store that information? And who here believes them?

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    1. Re:Privacy by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Informative

      More likely it means that the Verizon rep was trying to be exceedingly clear about what was and wasn't accessed, and in the process mucked up the waters somewhat.

      As for your other questions, I do not believe that they store records of what was said unless they are ordered to by the government. The hardware and software necissary to do so would be expensive and would provide no business advantage to them, unless you think they go around blackmailing people or something. I'm not saying they haven't been so ordered, only that it would be a net loss for them to do it otherwise.

    2. Re:Privacy by JohnSearle · · Score: 4, Informative

      As a former rep for Sprint, I can say that Sprint reps don't have access to voice recording of anyone's calls. And the only people who could possibly have access is a special department that deals with police issues.

      What we did have access to, and what these people probably access, was just a regular calling list (numbers who called the phone, and numbers called from the phone).

      And from what I was told while working there, the company didn't record any calls unless specifically ordered to by authorities.

      - John

    3. Re:Privacy by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And from what I was told while working there, the company didn't record any calls unless specifically ordered to by authorities.

      Why not. It's perfectly feasible for a large telcom to do this. Because it's illegal? Phhft! Here's a modest proposal I drafted some time ago, based on some conservative estimates. Not sure if I already posted this, but since it's not entirely off topic, what the hell. I'll indulge my inner conspiracy nut.

      Average US telephone usage: 600 minutes month, say 900 mins
      = 30 mins/day = 1800 sec/day
      Telephone Codec data rate: ~10KB/sec
      => Average user needs 18000 KB/day to store conversation ~1.76 MB/day

      For one million users ~ 1.68 TB/day

      Approximate cost per Terabyte(Hard Disk) as of 2007 ~ $300USD per TB
      => Give 2x data redundancy ~ $600USD per TB
      => ~$1,008 USD per one million users per day

      World population ~7 billion

      => ~$7.1 million USD per day

      => It would cost approximately $2.6 billion USD per year to permanently store all the telephone conversations of everyone in the entire world. Assuming talktime rates of ~900 mins per month.

      Addendum:
      Approximate NSA budget (estimated) ~$3.6 billion USD

      So for the paranoid amoung you, don't worry about people listening in on your phone calls. They probably already have.

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  4. Was encouraged to do this in credit card industry by shawnmchorse · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I used to work doing telephone customer service for First USA Bank. In our training class, they actually encouraged us to look up the accounts of random celebrities. My whole class would come up with names and type them in to see if they had an account with us. We'd also frequently show each other particularly bad credit reports that came up on applications.

  5. Not likely illegal by travisd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would it be illegal? Disclosure, yes. But these were VZW employees who were given the ability to look at records as part of their job. VZW's policy though is that they only look at records that they have a reason to - for customer service, billing, etc.

    Unless they turned these over to an outside party (media, government, etc) then there's probably nothing illegal happening. Completely different from the wiretaps.

    It's amazing though that the employees are still dumb enough to not realize that their actions, even if they don't change anything, can be tracked.

  6. How many? by evanbd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apparently it's pretty easy to snoop on a random person's phone records over there. How many employees have snooped on someone less noteworthy -- a friend, a possibly cheating spouse, etc.? Are there policies in place to catch more mundane privacy invasions and fire those people as well, or does it only matter if the person in question is politically relevant?

    1. Re:How many? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Snooping is easy, getting away with it is not. A friend of a friend was a telecom employee snooping on records and got fired (girlfriend looking up her ex-boyfriend's phone log and possibly text messages).

      I don't know how it works, but queries like that into the customer records throw up flags that management can see. Apparently, they're not doing a good enough job instructing employees that these safeguards exist since it happens so often.

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  7. A private affair by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The employees were fired for violating company policy (ie, without management approval). As company policy is to assist police in warrantless wiretaps, employees who helped with those would not be fired. This kind of thing happens in hospitals, debt collection businesses, and government all the time. It is not really newsworthy unless a pattern of abuse can be demonstrated.

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  8. Ironic... by nebaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have generally been an Obama supporter, but was very disappointed that he voted for telecom immunity in the FISA bill last year. Apparently it is ok for corporations as a whole
    to snoop on your calls, but not for individual employees to snoop on his. (Note: I am not condoning the action of the employee, it just seems interesting at what level justice applies).

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  9. Re:National security and terrorists by Xtravar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you ask John McCain, he'll tell you that Obama pals around with terrorists. Perhaps this was a case of national security!

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  10. Well, Obama voted for FISA. by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Obama voted for FISA after saying he wouldn't. He and his cronies really don't have any room to complain. Why should Obama be able to snoop on "the people" when "the people" cannot snoop on him? Obama is potentially (being president at all) the most dangerous man in the nation as he is Commander-In Chief and probably the most powerful man in the world.

    I'm not saying there shouldn't be any military secrets or stuff, of course, but the irony is just rather amusing.

  11. Re:presidential pardon by ubrgeek · · Score: 4, Informative

    I hate to say it, but every president does it.

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  12. I love First USA by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to work doing telephone customer service for First USA Bank. In our training class, they actually encouraged us to look up the accounts of random celebrities. My whole class would come up with names and type them in to see if they had an account with us. We'd also frequently show each other particularly bad credit reports that came up on applications.

    That's interesting. I believe that's the same bank that opened a credit card account for me without my knowledge, and sent me a collections notice for the annual fee plus late fees 6 months later, totaling hundreds of dollars. I'd never received an offer from them, let alone a card, nor would I accepted the thing had they done so. Oddly enough, making it go away only took about an hour on the phone, which leads me to believe it wasn't the first time they'd done this. Worse, the same thing happened the next year, making the "accident" angle a little tough to believe. I'm guessing those clowns lean on employees to basically make up accounts and forge signatures. Really cute. I regret not contacting the attorney general, because that stuff is outrageously illegal.

    So basically, what you were seeing looks to have been the least illegal thing happening there. ;)

  13. I work for Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Importance of privacy of customer accounts has always been stressed. I heard it on every orientation, despite the fact that I don't have any interactions with customers or their records. In internal security reports I see people fired for looking up unlisted numbers or going through wife's phone logs. So those employees were warned many times. They had to know that all account accesses are logged with their usernames.

  14. Not where I work, and not me... by rickb928 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm at a major financial institution. technically, I have fairly broad access to records that could include payment and credit information, personal information, and even a great deal of info on the places people shop.

    It would not only not occur to me to look up someone's records just because they are a celeb etc, but if I had a case involving a recognizable person or business, I would be very careful and keep my inquiries to a minimum. I would expect our security teams to be watching accesses to any number of accounts.

    And I wouldn't be whining if in a moment of weakness I went too far. There are some things you just don't do. Someone is watching. Count in it.

    I also know a few people who provide services or support to the sort of customer you would consider a person of note. We don't discuss anything of a sensitive nature, though I offer them congratulations when I recognize they did something exceptional for a customer that made our newsletter. If we are working on issues that disclose sensitive data, I just work the issue and keep my comments to myself. And I secure any data I work with temporarily, destroying it when I don't need it any more.

    Seems incredibly stupid, on a par with the ID10Ts looking through Britney's medical records not so long ago. I hope these VZW ex-employees find work, but perhaps a stint at McDonalds will give them the proper perspective on privacy. An expensive lesson, and one earned from the sounds of it.

    There is no excuse.

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  15. Re:Cluster B personality disorders by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hi! Stand back in awe as my completly unverifiable anecdotal evidence trumps your generalization!

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