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Google Map To Real Piracy

An anonymous reader noted that you can now see a Google Map of piracy. Not the pretend kind, the real kind with boats and stuff. Considering how much time we spend talking about the other kind, I think it's worth paying attention to the real problems out there.

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  1. Proof for Pastafarienism by Nick+Ives · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Great Flying Spaghetti Monster has revealed to us that there is a link between pirates and global warming, as piracy goes down, global warming increases. Surely this is evidence (not that any is needed) for this basic truth? As pirates steal oil tankers the price of oil will increase thereby limiting its consumption and decreasing the amount of global warming.

    It's plain simple logic, just like the plain, simple, wholesome taste of pasta with a tomato sauce.

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  2. Take off the tinfoil hat by spun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, most pirates were not privateers. But most privateers were also pirates. The reason being, privateers could only get Letters of Marque and Reprisal when their country was at war, and the letters only covered attacking enemy shipping. What did privateers do during the times their country was not at war? They turned to outright piracy.

    The idea of modern countries handing out letters of Marque is ridiculous. Implying the pirates are after oil is just dumb. Saying the pirates don't have a lot to gain in the long run is also stupid, and shows how uneducated you are on the matter. Just look at the ransoms they receive. You only have to do it once. This is not some kind of Pirates of the Caribbean secret order of pirates. This is groups of starving desperate men trying for the Big Score. They take what they can get, and hope the shipping company will pay a ransom rather than see their ship sunk. They aren't selling oil and goods on the black market.

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  3. Re:Time for Qs to come back by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Have the pirates been killing anyone? Not to my knowledge ....

    Sadly, this is incorrect:

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21842522-1702,00.html
    http://article.wn.com/view/2008/10/23/Pirates_to_kill_crew_on_arms_ship_if_NATO_ships_attack/
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1572236/Somali-pirates-threaten-to-kill-tanker-crew.html

    They can and do kill people. And if this is allowed to continue, more and more people are going to die. On both sides.

    I'm merely saddened your plan doesn't involve fixing any of Somalia's real problems. Just killing offenders.

    My plan only addresses the short term issue: The piracy. That has to be dealt with immediately. Unchecked piracy will only result in the loss of more lives and cause economic problems on a world-wide scale.

    Dealing with the political issues in Somalia is a more complex issue that lacks an immediate solution. I wish I could venture a good plan, but I do not understand the dynamics of the situation well enough to produce one. It's not like Somalia hasn't been receiving foreign aid:

    By some
    reckonings, no other country save Israel has
    received such high levels of military and
    economic aid per capita; certainly no country
    has less to show for it. Even before its collapse
    into protracted civil war and anarchy in 1990,
    Somalia had earned a reputation as a graveyard
    of foreign aid, a land where aid projects were
    notoriously unsuccessful, and where high levels
    of foreign assistance helped to create an
    entirely unsustainable, corrupt and repressive
    state.

    What do they do with our foreign aid workers? Why, they kidnap and kill them:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/world/africa/06briefs-6FOREIGNAIDW_BRF.html
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20081105/wl_afp/somaliaunrestreliefkidnap_081105183945
    http://www.patronusanalytical.com/files/Somali%20Aid%20Worker%20Murdered.php
    http://www.pr-inside.com/somali-aid-worker-killed-witnesses-say-r904499.htm

    What would you have us do? I'm all for finding a peaceful solution if one can be arrived at. But as of this moment, there is an immediate problem people are dying or being threatened with death.

    Food for thought: Isn't it interesting how the pirates can't afford food, but can always afford assault rifles? Perhaps there is more to their Robin Hood image than meets the eye.

  4. Re:Time for Qs to come back by denis-The-menace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The irony is that things only get moving when oil is involved.

    Now that they have a tanker full of it, the US will be called to "liberate" it.

    Once that ship is gone, we'll go back to Status Quo.

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  5. Re:Time for Qs to come back by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > How would a US port feel about a foreign ship pulling in when a dozen civilians
    > with grenade launchers are strolling around on deck? The Coast Guard would go ape.

    As an NRA member I'm not afraid of arms or people wielding them, so long as they are the right people bearing them for the right reasons and shooting them at the right (or would that be wrong?) people. So no, I would have no problem with a $150M tanker laden with $100M in crude being armed. Seems rather sane to me. If we are trusting the crew not to use the far more dangerous tanker itself as a weapon I see no reason to begrudge them a couple of rocket launchers to defend themselves from pirates. No, they can't carry them off the ship and they should be expected to have the decency to stow them away once they are safely in US waters. If I can't have a rocket launcher why should they get to have all the fun. :)

    This story just goes to show ya what pansies we have allowed ourselves to become. Can you imagine pirate infested waters under Ronald Reagan's six hundred ship navy? People might accuse America of trying to police the world, but dang it back when we really did it the world was a safer place... as it was when the British Navy ruled the seas. Pirates had short life expectancies.

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  6. Re:Time for Qs to come back by RogerWilco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is, that if the ships start shooting at the pirates, the pirates start shooting at the merchant ships.

    Given that those ships might carry a cargo worth hundreds of millions, are very slow, almost impossible to miss, and can be sunk with a well placed RPG, it's not a risk most of the merchant companies want to take.

    That is the essence of the issue why these ships are not protecting themselves. The pirates would blow them up.

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  7. Reasons Piracy Continues by linuxbert · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Piracy exists in Somalia because the government lacks sufficient ability and influence to stop it.
    It continues largely because the international community that has the ability to stop it, doesnt have the reason to. Modern warships can sink targets they cant visually see. The Gulf of Aden is large, but its not that large.

    Most ships, even if owned by a western company, are flagged in a Convenient state - Panama, Liberia etc. these countries love the revenue form being a flag state but have no means of protecting their flagged ships. Most ships are crewed by non western crews.. many from the Philippines, Bangladesh, etc. again countries with limited abilities to protect their nationals internationally.

    The west has many ships in the area, however they are reluctant to act for political reasons, if no nationals are involved, or its not a home flagged ship, its really not the concern of the country. The pirates get their million dollar ransom, which to a pirate is a wind fall, but to a shipping company, used to paying $60000/day fuel bills, really isnt that big a deal. Furthermore the risks to the pirates are relatively small - the French raided a la Poinete, a yacht that was taken by pirates and was crewed by french nationals, and the Indians sunk a Pirate mother ship last week. So for the pirates 2 out of over 100 incidents ended badly. To stop the pirates, the western world needs to actively seek them out, hunt them down and stop them from taking ships, as well as recapturing ships by force. When pirates begin to face the consequences - to this point there have been almost none, then they will cease their actions, because taking a ship no longer results in a quick profit for the prirates, and the risk of death goes up significantly for the actual takers of the ship.

    Incidentally, the IMO is now recommending ships hire private security to protect them in troubled waters. Blackwater international has also purchased ships. The 18th century tales of piracy make a difference between a Privateer and a pirate a privateer was a mercenary ship working for a nation, to harass enemy shipping - they could take prizes, but paid a percentage to the crown, and wouldn't attack friendly shipping. a pirate had no Letter of Marque, paid no commissions, and attacked who he wanted when he wanted...

    everything old is new again.

    One final aside, those whom complain about copyright infringement by referring to it as piracy do a great disservice to the victims of piracy, imagine having your office attacked by men armed with machine guns and RPG's and your only defense is to run, and spray the attackers with a fire hose. from the floor above..

  8. Re:Time for Qs to come back by Fnord666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Food for thought: Isn't it interesting how the pirates can't afford food, but can always afford assault rifles?

    That's because assault rifles are a lot more plentiful than food in Somalia.

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  9. Re:Time for Qs to come back by srussia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would have modded you up just for the neat phrase you invented: got disastrous ;)

    That would be a euphemism for "was destabilized by a US-backed coup"--in this case in 2006.

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