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90% of Gaming Addiction Patients Not Addicted

phorm writes "BBC is carrying an article which states that 90% of visitors to Europe's 'video game addiction clinic' are not, in fact, addicted. The problem is a social one rather than a psychological issue. In other words, the patients have turned to heavy gaming because they felt they didn't fit in elsewhere, or that they fit in better 'in the game' than elsewhere in 'the real world.' This has been discussed before, with arguments ranging from gaming being a good way to socialize, the clinical definition of gaming addiction, and claims than males are wired for video-game addiction."

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  1. addiction? by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just stopped playing ufo: enemy unknown in dosbox, to refresh slashodot.

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    1. Re:addiction? by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would love to reply, but I am busy grinding my sixth level 80 toon in World of Warcraft. Only came here as I was on a loading screen. Bye - got to go grind again now.

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    2. Re:addiction? by aliquis · · Score: 2, Funny
  2. I'm addicted to Slashdot by Abreu · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...or at least that's what I'll claim if I am ever confronted by my employers about my internet usage logs at work

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    1. Re:I'm addicted to Slashdot by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry, we've logged your logging of our logs and will be discussion your logging policies in the future.

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    2. Re:I'm addicted to Slashdot by osu-neko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been employed at several companies that kept employee net usage logs. Of course, I was always the one charged with keeping and auditing the logs. My idea of what constituted behavior worth investigating and reporting was always limited to hacking attempts, security breaches and such. None of my employers made any more specific rules regarding what they meant by "inappropriate". :)

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    3. Re:I'm addicted to Slashdot by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not when you are admin for a media company or a sales firm. Both people are required to be on the cutting edge of trends. Same applies to a receptionist though that's just because I know she's bored (so long as it doesn't affect her work).

      Incidentally if you can get a job as a Digital Researcher that is justification to surf porn on the job (Porn used bluray rather than HD - as a rule not a definition - and look what "won" the market).

      Should the beancounters be on facebook? No. Should they be permitted on the Internet? Hell no.

      Just because it's a shitty site doesn't mean it's a problem.

      Just a thought.

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  3. No I'm not addicted.. by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 4, Funny
    Take your pick.....
    • Ik kan ophouden met wanneer ik wil
    • Je peux stopper quand je veux
    • Ich kann beendigen, wenn ich wünsche
    • Posso rinunciare quando voglio
    • Eu posso parar quando eu quero
    • Puedo parar cuando quiero
    1. Re:No I'm not addicted.. by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Informative

      and "stopper" is "franglais," not french ... :-)

    2. Re:No I'm not addicted.. by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Godamn slashdot can't even get UTF-8 right.

      That should have been:
      Je pense que vous voulez dire "arrêter", pas "arretêr".

    3. Re:No I'm not addicted.. by dougisfunny · · Score: 2, Funny

      or Bork bork bork, bork bork bork.

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    4. Re:No I'm not addicted.. by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or Durka Durka Durka JIHAD! Durka Durka!

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    5. Re:No I'm not addicted.. by Thiez · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your Dutch is wrong. You're saying 'I can stop with when I want'.

    6. Re:No I'm not addicted.. by Chrisje · · Score: 2, Funny

      The French had to invent diplomacy due to the quality of their armed forces.

      After all, the 4 DEFCON Levels in France are:

      4 - Hide
      3 - Run
      2 - Surrender
      1 - Collaborate

  4. Really? by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do people still listen to the media is beyond me. Every single year they come up with something that is either A) addicting and damaging to minds B) corrupting the family/children/society or C) is somehow harmful. Be it rock and roll, cell phones, video games, comic books, etc, the media always comes up with some "studies" to back them up while two months later showing studies that prove just the opposite is true, why haven't people realized that the media has cried wolf far too many times and just tune the crap out?

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    1. Re:Really? by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do people still listen to the media is beyond me. Every single year they come up with something that is either A) addicting and damaging to minds B) corrupting the family/children/society or C) is somehow harmful. Be it rock and roll, cell phones, video games, comic books, etc, the media always comes up with some "studies" to back them up while two months later showing studies that prove just the opposite is true, why haven't people realized that the media has cried wolf far too many times and just tune the crap out?

      Because maybe the only real addiction we have is allowing self-appointed "experts" and authorities to do our thinking for us.

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    2. Re:Really? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is a social one rather than a psychological issue. In other words, the patients have turned to $ADDICTION because they felt they didn't fit in elsewhere,

      Fixed. A good support system is a cure for all but the most virulent psychoses, but there's a lot of money to be made on medicalizing things which are otherwise curable through a support system. Unfortunately, most addicts are given drugs and/or forced to attend $ADDICTION anonymous meetings which do more harm that good: If you were a drunk, would want to do be forced into a smoke-filled room crammed in with other folks who are just as pissed for being there as you are, probably fiending for drinks? Also, the "higher power" thing dosen't work for atheists.

    3. Re:Really? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also, the "higher power" thing dosen't work for atheists.

      Doesn't really 'work' for the faithful either, but don't tell them! I like them confused.

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    4. Re:Really? by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What the hell are you talking about?

      Yes, a good support system is VERY important for just about every psychological disorder or problem, but it is not a cure-all and and it not guarantee.

      If you admit that our psychology derives from brain (and body) workings and that internal states and behaviors are affected by chemical changes, then it stands to reason that many psychological problems may be due to, say, certain brain circuitry being more prone to fire and/or some abnormality or otherwise undesirable neurotransmitter activity.

      Too many people assume, "make them think positive thoughts, the problem will fix itself" and don't realize that the negative thoughts are a product of biological function and may be due to the chemical or neural activity.

      Drugs are usually not meant to be taken alone without treatment. They're supposed to be given along with therapy, often some form of cognitive-behavioral therapy. They're also given to help improve the quality of life in the short term during therapy.

      As for $ADDICTION Anonymous meetings, it is a well-known fact that recovery pretty much requires that the person actually be motivated to recover. Additionally, people being treated for addictions, usually in rehab, are usually told to avoid anything addicting; people in rehab often cannot even eat chocolate or drink coffee. AA is not the only addiction support group people can join; if a judge sentences someone to AA specifically he's an idiot.

      I suspect you're thinking of Penn & Teller's Bullshit! episode here. While they do make some good arguments, I don't think their point was more to the arbitrary nature of the 12-step programs and not the actual support groups themselves. Silly things like recognizing a higher power and other stuff, that's nonsense, but providing motivations for recovery, goalposts that they can look forward to--basically rewards--does help work.

      But, even past all this, sometimes drugs really are necessary. No single treatment is ever a true guarantee.

    5. Re:Really? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Also, the "higher power" thing dosen't work for atheists.

      Sure it does, but then they have to stop calling themselves atheists. Its like saying fire doesn't work for gasoline, just because if it works there isn't any gasoline left.

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  5. uh? by Vexorian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem is a social one rather than a psychological issue. In other words, the patients have turned to heavy gaming because they felt they didn't fit in elsewhere

    So, is this saying that they are not addicted or that they are addicted because of social issues?

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    1. Re:uh? by blueg3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there's no physical or psychological dependence, they're not addicted. Turning to games for social reasons doesn't constitute addiction.

    2. Re:uh? by Dhalka226 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For starters, do you honestly believe that poor blacks are diagnosed MORE often with psychological conditions than affluent whites? Really? You really believe that someone trying to be both racist and politically correct at the same time is going to give these people an excuse for their behavior rather than simply throwing them in jail?

      Second, when your getting high takes the place of working I'm pretty sure you ARE an addict, by definition. Your "hobby" is interfering with your life. This would be true of people playing video games as well, and you'll note that the article never stated that video game addiction is not real or that nobody who came into their clinic was, in their estimation, legitimately addicted to video games. Just that the majority of them weren't. (That's also not to say that they were what psychologists would consider to be mentally well; but being unwell and being addicted are not necessarily one in the same.)

      More importantly, addiction is (among other things) an inability to stop your behavior. If that druggie really can stop doing drugs tomorrow, he's not addicted--same with a video game addict. The distinction the article seems to be drawing is that being unable to stop a behavior and not having another choice available due to other psychological issues aren't the same. These people fill their lives with video games because they have no other social interactions to fill them with. It's bad, maybe worse than addiction--but I would agree that it is not, in itself, actually addiction.

    3. Re:uh? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In highschool I started an informal survey after getting tired of being "addicted to computers".

      "SOooo like all you do all day is like sit on computers and shit."
      "What do you usually do when you get home from school?"
      "I don't know I usually watch TV."

      That summarized about 99% of all conversations I had. Some people usually read books. Some people usually just talked on the phone. But across the board almost every single person only had one or at most two hobbies (usually an extra-curricular sports team).

      Because most people don't play video games the average game plays exponentially more games than they're used to observing and as a reslt the conclude that person is crazy addicted. In reality almost nobody does anything productive in their leisure hours and most of their time is taken up by one or two activities.

      Computers are also tricky because while an external observer may simply note someone staring at a screen for 6 hours. You may have watched a TV Show. Read the news paper. Played video games. Talked to your friends. Read Slashdot. Read up on science news. Posted a blog on something you read. Worked on an art project and read a short story.

      The variety of what I read and do on a computer vastly dwarfs what most people do in a day when broken down into activities instead of locations "Sat on couch reading and typing on keyboard."

      I get just as addicted by good books as video games but if someone gets hooked on a book its a positive thing. "Oh my Jeny was up till 3 am she was so engrossed in Twilight." Meanwhile "That Jimmy is rotting his brain playing video games he played for 2 hours yeserday and I tried to get him to put it down and do something else but would have just played till 2AM can you believe it if I hadn't pulled the power cable."

      It's a double standard perpetrated by the majority in order to shame the minority into conformity. Which usually entails sitting on the couch and watching TV till you go to bed.

    4. Re:uh? by Thiez · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm no cocaine addict, I just like the way it smells!

    5. Re:uh? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The simple answer is that there is a clinical and non-clinical definition of the word "addicted". If I observe a person playing WoW 12-16 hours a day, I might say that person is addicted to the game. From a non-clinical standpoint I am correct. They feel compelled to play the game all of the time, regardless of the reason for their choice (because all of their friends are there, because they feel like they fit in there, or because of some true, clinical, addiction) they are displaying what a laymen would call an addictive behavior. Physiologists have a clinical definition of the word which has a more specific definition, and requires someone to repeat the same behavior over and over because of a clinical or physiological bond to the behavior itself.

      To use a more concrete, real world, example: imagine you have started smoking because all of your friend smoke, and you are up to a pack a day. Now imagine that you are, for some reason, immune to the physically addictive properties of tobacco. Now imagine that all of your friends abruptly stop smoking or you get new friends. Not being physically addicted, and only having picked up the habit because you wanted to fit in, you stop smoking as well. While you exhibited the behavior of an addict (smoking all the time) you were never really addicted to smoking, you smoked to fit in with your friends.

      Essentially what this study is saying is that the majority of gaming "addicts" aren't actually "addicted" to games, they simply play them a lot of the same reason other people might go to bars a lot, or a crochet club a lot, or talk on HAM radios a lot. They feel like they fit in there and they've built a social circle (a guild in a MMORPG, a team on a server for an online shooter, or whatever) inside in the virtual world they inhabit. They obsess over gear and min/maxing stats for the same reason that my manager at work obsesses over his scuba equipment, or a car nut might obsess over ecking one more horsepower out of their engine. It gives them status in the mini-world of hobbyists that they choose to inhabit.

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    6. Re:uh? by ukyoCE · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nice rant :) Totally agree.

      Even gamers will try to shame gamers by claiming "no life!" and such. A guy in WOW Trade chat the other day was mocking the people who picked up the expansion on launch day and leveled up with their friends. I asked what he did that was so superior, and he said he went drinking with some friends at a football game.

      Is sitting around in-person with friends objectively better than playing with them online? Does adding voice chat make the game more competitive with "reality"? How about avatars? Is IRC worse than a voice-chatting video game?

      It's gonna take a while (possibly replacement by the next generation) to get "I'm playing WOW with my guildies" to be heard as the same level of commitment as "I'm playing poker with my buddies"

  6. intervention by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 5, Funny

    the addiction industry is out of control in this country. somebody ought to stage an intervention.

  7. Demise of hobby clubs by syousef · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One reason...It use to be that these people could join a club and usually a "geeky" one: A Chess club, a remote control aircraft club, a rocketry club, a science club, an electronics club. These kinds of organisations are disappearing and the activities are being labelled as dangerous or complete social death to get involved in, leaving a void which is being filled with idle gaming.

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    1. Re:Demise of hobby clubs by teh+moges · · Score: 5, Insightful

      +1 Insightful if I had mod points.

      Another contributing factor is, I have to say, laziness. It is much easier to stay at home, connect the Xbox to the net and play a game, then it was even 5 years ago to organize for all your mates to come around to play Perfect Dark multiplayer in the same room.

      People often ignore the benefits of the social interaction, and this causes problems long term, as its hard to switch 'back' once you have isolated yourself even a little from your community.

    2. Re:Demise of hobby clubs by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You seem to be claiming that the disappearance of these clubs is causing kids to be gamers. I think it's exactly the opposite: Video games are causing kids not to be interested in those clubs, so they disappear due to lack of interest.

      I -love- math and science, but if you give me the choice between hanging out with a bunch of kids that are interested in math or playing video games, the choice is obvious.

      In addition, I can get all the info I need from the internet. I no longer have to deal with people or libraries or anything. Kids have the exact same access that I do, so it's not surprising that the smart ones choose to get their information fast and accurate, instead of wasting time. (Yes, information on the net is still far more accurate than talking to schoolkids about it.)

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  8. Males? by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, I'll say. I just got done having a three hour bitch fest yesterday with a friend of mine who's BF is 'addicted' to World of Warcraft. She doesn't have a lot of experience with boys (much more with girls -- no comments on this please!), and I've had to mother her a bit on why a boy can sink twenty or more hours a week into a video game and says it "helps me relax and challenges me", but afterwords can't come up with anything better to do than "go bowling" ("where"? "Umm... I'm sure there's one around somewhere"), or "go for a walk".

    I tried my best to explain how men are so much more visually oriented than girls, but it's a hard concept to really explain. It's not that they're addicted to video games, it's just that the game provides more visual action than the real world so they're more strongly attracted to it. Girls read books, boys watch movies--Boys play video games, girls play board games, that kind of thing. They really are wired different and it's damn frustrating.

    I often find myself wishing for video games that helped build social skills for these kind of boys -- the ones that are awkward and introverted in public, but if you can get them to open up they're nice teddy bears. I don't think they'd want to play it though, unless it involved blowing up or shooting something. :( Like The Sims -- awesome game, but the only people I know who play it are other girls! Am I hoping for too much here? Is there some way to use some visual medium to help boys crawl out of their shell?

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    1. Re:Males? by Yosho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, I'll say. I just got done having a three hour bitch fest yesterday with a friend of mine who's BF is 'addicted' to World of Warcraft. She doesn't have a lot of experience with boys (much more with girls -- no comments on this please!), and I've had to mother her a bit on why a boy can sink twenty or more hours a week into a video game and says it "helps me relax and challenges me", but afterwords can't come up with anything better to do than "go bowling" ("where"? "Umm... I'm sure there's one around somewhere"), or "go for a walk".

      This may be a silly question, but -- she may have spent three hours bitching to you about it, but has she spent that much time talking to him about it? Nothing is going to change unless he wants to change, and that will not happen unless he understands and accepts that there is a problem.

      As a guy, one of the largest frustrations I've had with many (but not all, fortunately) girls is that when something is upsetting them they won't just tell me about it. They might make it obvious that they're upset about something in general, but me being unable to guess exactly what is apparently just another failure on my part. Casually saying something like, "Oh, I wish you'd spend less time playing WoW" doesn't count -- his internal reaction will be "Ok, I'll log off fifteen minutes early today," then he'll shrug and move on.

      If the amount of time he spends playing WoW is a serious problem, he needs to be told plainly that it is a serious problem. If he accepts that it's a problem, he can fix it, but otherwise his girlfriend will either have to just accept it or leave him. She's only going to make herself more frustrated if she thinks that he'll change if she just waits long enough.

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    2. Re:Males? by RuBLed · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd try to be serious here. XD (because this could work)

      Quest - Reward system. People (and males) do tend to work their ass off if it rewards them in the end. That is why any start of a relationship is the most "activity-filled" moments. But as time goes by, doing monotonous things for almost nothing doesn't interest as much.

      That is where the Reward system kicks in. If one wants to do something, the other one must also benefit or be rewarded in one way or another (which he/she likes). It could be in a form of a gift, homemade cookies, preparing food, etc (no matter how small in quality and quantity it is). It would gives us at least a sense of accomplishment or reward and would not view the activity as a charity work. XD

      just my 0.02

    3. Re:Males? by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pro-tip: If you do not want people commenting on irrelevant information, don't provide. That said, if she's unhappy with him, I'm available. *wink**wink*

    4. Re:Males? by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

      his may be a silly question, but -- she may have spent three hours bitching to you about it, but has she spent that much time talking to him about it?

      Dammit, this wasn't supposed to be about my friend, but whether games can help boys develop social skills--instead of providing an escape from socially awkward situations. And yes, she has.

      Casually saying something like, "Oh, I wish you'd spend less time playing WoW" doesn't count -- his internal reaction will be "Ok, I'll log off fifteen minutes early today," then he'll shrug and move on.

      girlspeak translation: Get off the damn computer and pay attention to me when I'm around. It's damn rude to have someone over and then leave them to entertain themselves so you can go play a video game. Homework or a few minutes of e-mail, not a big deal... Wasting four hours on a video game because you need to "relax"... It gives a clear message: I'm not wanted. And when it's my boyfriend doing that, then it's elevate to not only aren't I wanted, but that I'm less attractive than a hunk of circuits and plastic. So yeah, most girls are going to be rightly pissed about that!

      If he accepts that it's a problem, he can fix it, but otherwise his girlfriend will either have to just accept it or leave him.

      And yet they wonder why we call it an addiction...

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    5. Re:Males? by Yosho · · Score: 4, Interesting

      girlspeak translation: Get off the damn computer and pay attention to me when I'm around. It's damn rude to have someone over and then leave them to entertain themselves so you can go play a video game. Homework or a few minutes of e-mail, not a big deal... Wasting four hours on a video game because you need to "relax"... It gives a clear message: I'm not wanted. And when it's my boyfriend doing that, then it's elevate to not only aren't I wanted, but that I'm less attractive than a hunk of circuits and plastic. So yeah, most girls are going to be rightly pissed about that!

      Sorry, I didn't mean to sound as though I was defending the guy -- just trying to provide some insight as to why he (and many other guys) behave that way. Most guys simply do not understand "girlspeak," and, unless you've found one of the rare ones who does, expecting him to figure it out is just an exercise in frustration.

      And yet they wonder why we call it an addiction...

      Oh, I certainly don't wonder. I'm sure Blizzard has hired psychologists to figure out the optimal effort:reward ratio to keep people playing as long as possible. MMORPGs are designed to be addictive by people who understand in great detail how addictions work; that's why telling somebody to stop playing is about as effective as telling an alcoholic to stop drinking.

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    6. Re:Males? by AceofSpades19 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      girlspeak translation: Get off the damn computer and pay attention to me when I'm around. It's damn rude to have someone over and then leave them to entertain themselves so you can go play a video game. Homework or a few minutes of e-mail, not a big deal... Wasting four hours on a video game because you need to "relax"... It gives a clear message: I'm not wanted. And when it's my boyfriend doing that, then it's elevate to not only aren't I wanted, but that I'm less attractive than a hunk of circuits and plastic. So yeah, most girls are going to be rightly pissed about that!

      See the thing is, unless she _actually_ gets pissed at him instead of saying "I wish you spend less time on wow", he won't know. You can't expect every guy to completely understand every word that she says, it just doesn't work that way. She needs to explain it to him in more frank terms, not wishy-washy words

    7. Re:Males? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      girlspeak translation: ...

      Thank you.

      I'm intrigued by your ideas, and wish to purchase your latest edition of your femaleish-maleish dictionary ;)

      I'm hoping you tell or have told you boyfriend what you just told us here on slashdot.

      And to all the girls, here's how guys communicate: we (almost) always interpret what is said in the most straightforward, say-what-you-mean nothing-between-the-lines way. When I say I have a headache, it's because my head hurts (dammit), not because I sad I didn't get the promotion.

      Successful communication requires one or more parties to move out of their comfort zone. It's probably for the best if both do: guys need to read between the lines a bit more, and girls need to tell the guys when and how to read between the lines.

      But speaking as a guy, understanding girls isn't made easier by the fact that "I have a headache" sometimes means "my head hurts; end of news bulletin" and sometimes means "I refuse to have sex with you due to something you did within the last month that I won't tell you about" and sometimes "my head hurts really badly; please give me an aspirin and a really big hug."

      If you talk to guys the guy way, and tell them flat out what you want, they'll either agree straight away [who doesn't want to hug and comfort their hurting girlfriend?], or at least the two of you will know that you both know that there's an issue to be addressed and what it is. In the latter case, you at least have an easier time talking about solutions than if only one party knows what the problem is.

    8. Re:Males? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Homework or a few minutes of e-mail, not a big deal... Wasting four hours on a video game because you need to "relax"... It gives a clear message: I'm not wanted. And when it's my boyfriend doing that, then it's elevate to not only aren't I wanted, but that I'm less attractive than a hunk of circuits and plastic.

      Yes I think that is indeed the plain truth, and people fool themselves into thinking that they either automatically deserve to be wanted by their designated *friend, or more importantly that they should desire to be wanted. The reality is that most people hook up with boyfriends or girlfriends for two reasons.

      1) Sex

      But, the plain fact of the matter is that after a few months, the novelty of sex will wear off. Now, this can be replaced by a long term emotional bond formed over the past few months of intimate contact, but only if that bond was formed. If it wasn't, then there really is no reason for people to stay together except for our other important reason.

      2) Social pressures.

      Many people in dead end relationships stay there for one primary reason. It is more painful and socially unacceptable for them to have no partner than it is to have a poor partner. The pressure, internal and external, for an adult of "marriageable" age to at least be dating is real and present. I have seen people remain in miserable relationships that are well past their sell by date, and the only reason is that they have, in the colloquial, "settled". The (minor) risk of ending up alone for ever or even for a short period of time is regarded as too frightening to justify leaving a gangrenous union.

      The single best lampooning of this behavior can be seen in the South Park episode where Satan is paralyzed with indecision because he cannot decide which boyfriend to settle on. His dilemma is resolved by consulting God, who reveals that his dilemma was a false one because he never actually needed to settle for anyone at all. The Lord of Darkness rediscovered his happiness by simply leaving relationships that were never going to work out.

      Returning to the original point, you are correct. Someone's boyfriend spending four hours a night on video game does mean that that they are not wanted, and the incorrect conclusion is to attempt to "salvage" a relationship that is almost certainly doomed anyway. As the saying goes, there are plenty of other fish in the sea and in any case, sometimes fish is not worth the the sacrifices to the rest of your diet!

      Move on. Loneliness is temporary. But misery lasts 'till death does you part.

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    9. Re:Males? by D+Ninja · · Score: 2, Insightful

      girlspeak translation: Get off the damn computer and pay attention to me when I'm around. It's damn rude to have someone over and then leave them to entertain themselves so you can go play a video game. Homework or a few minutes of e-mail, not a big deal... Wasting four hours on a video game because you need to "relax"... It gives a clear message: I'm not wanted. And when it's my boyfriend doing that, then it's elevate to not only aren't I wanted, but that I'm less attractive than a hunk of circuits and plastic. So yeah, most girls are going to be rightly pissed about that!

      So quit inviting yourself over when I want to come home from work and want to spend a couple hours relaxing. I'll start resenting you if you do that.

      Despite popular belief, girls can be just as selfish as guys can be. You two need to strike a balance. (And, by that, I mean a REAL balance. Not a "do what the girl wants" balance.)

  9. Nerds not addicts by camg188 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    turned to heavy gaming because they felt they didn't fit in elsewhere

    So 90% were nerds, not addicts.

  10. Define: addiction by WarJolt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    to devote or surrender (oneself) to something habitually or obsessively. ie. addicted to gambling

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/addicted

    Most people devote a great deal of their time socializing and thus become comfortable socializing. It's part of normal human development. We are social creatures. I tend to think that addiction starts when it causes problems in your life.

    The problem is few have studied the long term impact of not learning how to socialize with someone without a LCD screen and a Internet connection. I could potentially see problems arising because not learning how to socialize only makes someone feel even more alienated.

    Can you see the potential downward spiral that could apply to this situation that is typically reserved for drug abuse?

  11. tangent by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

    is it possible to be a sex addict?

    aren't we all sex addicts?

    isn't this the only way to ensure the survival of our species?

    show me a roomful of intelligent, platonic, perfectly personality matched non sex addicted couples, and i'l show you the extinction of homo sapiens in 1.4 generations

    show me a roomful of sex addicted drunk raving idiots, and i'll show you 6 billion homo sapiens in a couple thousand generations

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    1. Re:tangent by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wouldn't take nearly that long. Modern humans have only existed for 10,000 generations, and were nearly wiped to extinction (to possibly as few as 1,000 breeding pairs) only 3,500 generations ago. Compare 20th century population growth to prior centuries. A roomful (say 10 breeding pairs) could reach 6 billion in less than a hundred generations easily, given sufficient available resources.

    2. Re:tangent by w0mprat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your dead right. Addiction as a problem is really a manifestation of a fault in the system which also gives us our drive to survive and succeed.

      Like most human behaviors, it's a useful trait 90% of the time. 10% of time when it gets out of hand, you can consider it an illness requiring remedy.

      This is why tagging the term addiction on any problem for an individual brings up all kinds of issues. Genuine addiction is very neurological/chemical, other examples may be inaccurately labeled addiction but the fault is actually behavioral. The lay person's understanding of the clinical definition is clearly different.

      Ok so, kids who spend alot of time playing 'WoW' because they don't fit in socially, whats the problem? They'll probably learn some social skills in the game, whereas if they remain marooned in real life they will just become socially isolated as a lot of these kids do.

      If some young person was doing some useful task, with the same pattern of compulsive behavior, would it still be called addiction by the concerned parent observing?

      Further, isn't it really actually rather funny how any reasonable analysis (anything other than knee-jerk finger pointing) of issues for young people boils right down to social problems and deficient parenting?

      Scratch that, what the hell am I saying: if we didn't have bullying in schools and a social structure that marginalizes eccentrics and intellectuals we wouldn't be able to breed the sub population of scientists and engineers that make the world a better place to live. :D ... Go bully some nerds and make sure they're never invited to parties! We need smart technical people to fix our planet, we can pump gas into their Ferraris, but ahah, their still nerds!

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  12. Re:"the media" by maglor_83 · · Score: 3, Funny

    have you found a magical fountain of information which is omnipotent, completely unbiased, and always on topic?

    Slashdot. Duh!

  13. Diablo & WoW... AkA Slot Machines by Silentknyght · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I played World of Warcraft (heavily, until I got married). I played Diablo (I & II, pretty heavily). I played Counter Strike for hours on end, very competitively. Two-three years ago, I would classify myself as a hardcore gamer. That said... I cannot deny the striking similarities between these games and slot machines. The addiction similarities between these games and gambling addition, particularly slot machines, is strong.

    Some (admittedly anecdotal) evidence. Don't tell me you never did these things, too:
    * "farmed" mobs/bosses/instances/etc in WoW for a random, rare drop.
    * loaded and reloaded the barbarian highlands level in diablo II umpteen times to farm for random, rare, drops
    * got feelings of joy at the sight of one color triggered at a particular point in the game

    All these things seem like more "pulls" on the slot machine, waiting for the lights and sounds to let you know you won. Is there potential for gambiling-addition-like issues in videogames? Yes. Am I terribly concerned and am I going to stop gaming? No.

    1. Re:Diablo & WoW... AkA Slot Machines by socrplayr813 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I definitely agree that there is a parallel with slots/gambling/whatever. I think it's something that more people need to acknowledge. Games are great way to entertain/challenge yourself, but there is a point where they need to be turned off. Now, I'm not saying that people shouldn't play games or that these people are necessarily addicts, but the internet should not replace all social interaction.

      We need to keep in mind that a good number of these people have turned to games as a way to escape from a feeling of helplessness or social awkwardness. They become powerful in their online world and it's difficult to leave that, especially when you don't know how to approach the 'real' world. I know this is true for at least some 'addicts' because that's exactly what my issue was/is. It took me a long time to figure it out for myself.

      What would be ideal is for someone to reach out to the 'addicts' and show them that they are interesting people in their own right and encourage them to come outside. I don't know how feasible that is as a large-scale solution, but I know that having a friend drag me out to go bowling or something would be much more effective than trying to lock me in a room with other 'defective' people. I'd actually welcome the chance to get out of the house, even if it were difficult.

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  14. Alcohol by dohzer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't have an alcohol addiction, I just feel like I fit in better when I'm drunk. So that means I'm not addicted, right?

    1. Re:Alcohol by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Funny

      Right. You're just a drunkard.

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    2. Re:Alcohol by Vegeta99 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're not an alcoholic if you don't go to meetings, you're a drunk.

      If you're in university, you're not an alcoholic even if you go to meetings, you're a student.

  15. I'm a gamer myself and the prob isn't social. by bronney · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know how many gamers out there share the same feeling as me, but I don't game to get away from the real world, or that I am addicted, or for other stupid reasons.

    It's sad to game! I game because it's the cheapest form of entertainment. From the days of the QEMM, a fixed money you spent on a box will last you god know how many hours.

    I have a decent job now, and I still game a lot. Not because I am addicted. If I can spend a weekend on a boat, or in the garage tuning my Skyline GTR, or even just a Golf GL, I would. But I can't, so I game.

    If I feel the urge to earn myself that Golf GL, I would. But I don't, so I game.

    Go to school.

  16. And tell me anywhere that's worth fitting in ? by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    where should they have fit in ?

    working 7 to 19.00 every day, in a thankless job that demands way more than it pays ?

    or, they should have fit in sleazy bar corners, wasting their life away with sluts (male or female) ?

    or, they should become career bitches (male or female) and waste their life away in that manner ?

    or they should have fit in with a family. but then again, they have to create a family first, and creating a family has SO much overhead and effort in these days that you can maybe compare it to swimming across english channel.

    or, they should have fit in with the immense crowds that are sedating their brain through football spectatorship, or in front of dumb tv shows each night ?

    or maybe they could have fit in with their peers, who are entertaining themselves with the MODERN entertainment form that is called gaming ? you know, fitting in WITH YOUR PEERS, as countless generations in the history of mankind has done ?

    well. they are just doing that. i think a lot of people, but especially 'experts' need to shut their traps about it, and get to accept this as a normal stage of human civilization.

    1. Re:And tell me anywhere that's worth fitting in ? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Come on, dispensing with human civilization and socialization as it has been practiced for millennia, in favor of sitting in your home alone pressing the buttons on a Skinner box...well it just doesn't bode well. Normal? Quite the opposite, this is extraordinary and has never happened before.

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    2. Re:And tell me anywhere that's worth fitting in ? by ion.simon.c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mmm.

      How is "pressing the buttons on a skinner box" different from... say, "flipping the skinner cards" [1] or "filling in the skinner puzzle" [2] or "adjusting the skinner carburettor"[3]? These are all socially acceptable activities that we have been engaging in for *ages*.

      [1] Solitaire or other single-player card game
      [2] Crossword puzzle
      [3] Um... yeah. I suck at mocking you. :/

  17. Try something for me... by w0mprat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As an experiement re-read TFA substituting the terms for "games" "gamer" etc to "sports" "sports fan". Try it.

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    1. Re:Try something for me... by Praxx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ninety per cent of the young people who seek treatment for compulsive sports watching are not addicted.

      So says Keith Bakker the founder and head of Europe's first and only clinic to treat sports watching addicts.

      The Smith & Jones Centre in Amsterdam has treated hundreds of young sports fans since the clinic opened in 2006.

      But the clinic is changing its treatment as it realises that compulsive sports watching is a social rather than a psychological problem.

      Using traditional abstinence-based treatment models the clinic has had very high success rates treating people who also show other addictive behaviours such as drug taking and excessive drinking.

      But Mr Bakker believes that this kind of cross-addiction affects only 10% of sports fans. For the other 90% who may spend four hours a day or more watching games such as football, he no longer thinks addiction counselling is the way to treat these people.

      "These kids come in showing some kind of symptoms that are similar to other addictions and chemical dependencies," he says.

      "But the more we work with these kids the less I believe we can call this addiction. What many of these kids need is their parents and their school teachers - this is a social problem."

      In response to this realisation the clinic has changed its treatment programme for sports fans to focus more on developing activity-based social and communications skills to help them rejoin society.

      Social ties

      "This sports watching problem is a result of the society we live in today," Mr Bakker told BBC News. "Eighty per cent of the young people we see have been bullied at school and feel isolated. Many of the symptoms they have can be solved by going back to good old fashioned communication."

      By offering compulsive sports fans a place where they feel accepted and where their voice will be heard, the clinic has found that the vast majority have been able to leave sports watching behind and rebuild their lives.

      For Mr Bakker the root cause of the huge growth in excessive sports watching lies with parents who have failed in their duty of care.

      But he is quick to point out that 87% of online sports fans are over the age of 18 - and once they cross that line, help is something they need to seek for themselves because parents no longer have the legal right to intervene.

      For younger sports fans, intervention may be the only way to break the cycle. That means stepping in and sometimes literally taking a child away from a computer, removing them from the game for a period of time until they become aware of their habits and begin to see there are other choices.

      "It's a choice," he says. "These kids know exactly what they are doing and they just don't want to change. If no one is there to help them, then nothing will ever happen."

      Alone together

      George [not his real name] is an 18-year-old sports fan being treated at the clinic in Amsterdam. He was spending at least 10 hours a day watching NFL until he sought help at the centre.

      "NFL games were somewhere I felt accepted for the first time in my life," he says. "I was never helped by my parents or my school. At the clinic I also feel accepted and have come out of myself."

      George kept his sports watching problem a secret as much as he could but when he did tell people, he says that no-one offered him help.

      "I liked sports watching because people couldn't see me, they accepted me as my online character - I could be good at something and feel part of a group."

      Underlying that new sense of belonging was a young man who felt powerless and neglected in real life.

      "I was aware that I played too much but I didn't know what to do. But it helped me because I could be aggressive and get my anger and frustration out online," he says.

      This kind of aggression is not uncommon in young sports fans who feel frustrated with their real lives. Besides addiction, aggression and violence fo

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  18. That's not Swedish ... by LrdDimwit · · Score: 2, Funny

    Beersh de stoppen de suverde heur fleefum wantum. Bork bork bork!

  19. Golf is worse by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you want to see addiction, visit a golf course.

    It's a real problem. Successful executives have been lost to golf addiction. Forbes Magazine once commented that more executives have been lost to golf than alcohol. There are people who skip work to play golf. It's not a joke.

  20. Future hobby club renaissance by AlpineR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not surprised that hobby clubs are dying. As you say, face-to-face was the best way to acquire knowledge prior to the Internet Age. But now it seems like an extraordinary waste of time - invest three hours with people you barely know to maybe get the same information you can now find with two minutes on Google. If your goal is to learn about and discuss your hobby then the Internet truly blows away the hobby club.

    But, as some of us realize, face-to-face meeting is still valuable for other reasons. You're more likely to learn something you didn't know that you wanted to know. You develop relationships that provide support outside of the narrow topic of formal interest. And humans are hyper-social creatures that thrive on the richness of face-to-face interaction.

    The desire for face-to-face relationships has already led to the Internet being used as a source to find them: online dating, flash mobs, meetup groups. Maybe, with the Internet becoming more common than the telephone and a greater appreciation for what's lost without face-to-face interaction, there will be a rebirth of hobby clubs organized and supported with the efficiency of the Internet.