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FAA Greenlights Satellite-Based Air Traffic Control System

coondoggie writes "As one of the massive flying seasons gets underway the government today took a step further in radically changing the way aircraft are tracked and moved around the country. Specifically the FAA gave the green light to deploy satellite tracking systems nationwide, replacing the current radar-based approach. The new, sometimes controversial system would let air traffic controllers track aircraft using a satellite network using a system known as Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast (ADS-B), which is ten times more accurate than today's radar technology. ADS-B is part of the FAA's wide-reaching plan known as NextGen to revamp every component of the flight control system to meet future demands and avoid gridlock in the sky."

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  1. clippy as the autopilot by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    It look's like you are trying to land do you want help?

    1. Re:clippy as the autopilot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your landing has crashed. If this is the first time your landing has crashed, restart your landing and try again. Otherwise, contact your hardware provider for assistance.

  2. re: gridlock in the sky by Fuji+Kitakyusho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What good does it do to reduce gridlock in the sky if you can't simultaneously reduce gridlock in airport security?

  3. Re: gridlock in the sky by Oswald · · Score: 4, Interesting

    About as much good as it does to reduce airborne separation without pouring more runways. Everybody can get to their holding pattern 2 minutes sooner.

  4. Re: gridlock in the sky by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's more to the aviation world than large airliners. ADS-B is a positive step in a lot of other ways.

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  5. Not changing anything soon... by tylerni7 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ADS-B is basically having each plane send it's own GPS signal to the aircraft controllers.

    Because of the security risks involved with having each plane report their own position, rather than aircraft control finding all the positions for planes, I highly doubt that old fashioned radar is going anywhere soon.

    Also, while this will be more accurate in areas where radar doesn't reach, I don't remember hearing about many planes crashing in midair too often....

    1. Re:Not changing anything soon... by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I highly doubt that old fashioned radar is going anywhere soon.

      Not just that, but wouldn't it make more sense to run both systems concurrently for added redundancy and such?

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    2. Re:Not changing anything soon... by bencoder · · Score: 5, Informative

      It does make sense and it is what happens currently... the SSR(secondary surveillance radar) data overlays the primary radar return data, so if the aircraft stops squawking it's still visible as a dot or slash on the display. I'd expect the same would happen with ADS-B.

    3. Re:Not changing anything soon... by EricTheMad · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because of the security risks involved with having each plane report their own position, rather than aircraft control finding all the positions for planes, I highly doubt that old fashioned radar is going anywhere soon.

      It's no more of a security risk than the current system which relies on each plane to report it's own position with a transponder.

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    4. Re:Not changing anything soon... by digitalchinky · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pretty much any scope goat with an oscilloscope handy can read out transponder codes in their head after a few days practise, including the military IFF stuff. I'm not sure what you mean regarding security in Radar tech? Radar is absolutely one very complex system, but secure it is not. You can buy gear off the shelf (it's expensive) to build your own electronic warfare station right at home :-)

      While the actual transmission from each aircraft might be encrypted, you can bet your backside that all of it will be fed back over the same satellite in the clear. I, as a basement geek living on the 30th floor, will be able to soak it all up via whatever handy multiplexer they decide to use.

    5. Re:Not changing anything soon... by peragrin · · Score: 3, Informative

      The military is addressing that very issue. very slowly but they are. I do believe the missiles for the f-22 and the f-35 use the same interface. they are doing this from a logistics point, as each plane literally needs it own equipment for testing and in the field having to lug 12 different interfaces around has proven to be a pain.

      Think of it less in terms of contracts and more like the auto industry. each brand of car(ford, gm, toyota, honda, etc) and each car in their respective lineups would use different engine codes in their computers, and in some cases different plug interfaces for the information.

      to get a ford f-150 engine computer interface you had to spend several hundred if not thousands of dollars. and again for every different unit. Manufactories think such things needed to be kept secret. yet years of pressure has finally brought at least some standardization in that area allowing less expensive diagnostic units.

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  6. They have only been working on this for 30 years by grandpa-geek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The FAA has been working on this for 30 years. I was involved in studying it back in the 1970's.

    They have also been working on digital ground-air-ground communications since 1948 (I once had some reports on the subject that go back that far). AFAIK, they still don't have the digital ground-air-ground.

    At one time the FAA radars were the last users of vacuum tubes, and the replacement parts were coming from factories that bought the original manufacturers equipment and were making it in who-knows-where. They didn't even replace the original manufacturer trademarks on the tubes. Quality control? Forget it.

    Technology advances at the FAA very slooooowly.

  7. Re: gridlock in the sky by the_other_chewey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exactly. The main problem the civil aviation in the USA has isn't a lack of airspace, but clogged airport aprons.

    Parick Smith, the salon.com airline captain columnist, has just written about it again.

    Nice commentabout the usefulness of opening military corridors for civil aviation around thanksgiving:
    "It will have roughly the same effect as, say, organizing a group prayer or rubbing a plastic airplane for good luck."

  8. what's tracking going to do? by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Informative

    Okay, it might decrease the already low probability of midair accidents, but the air traffic control system has bigger problems. Firstly, that they are understaffed and overworked. It's the highest stress job in the civilian sector last I looked and these people are pulling 10 and 12 hour shifts every week. They're tired, and they make mistakes. They're also an aging group -- the certification requirements are high, and very, very few people who are under the age of 30 work these jobs. Many of them are set to retire in just a few more years which will stress an already fragile system.

    Second, nobody's been investing in airport infrastructure. The planes are getting bigger but the runways aren't and we're not adding new runways either. Part of it is politics but a lot of it is economic.

    Third, communications -- they're still using one-way VHF. Two people talk and the signal heterodynes and nobody knows what was said. They need a better comm system.

    Lastly, much of the processing infrastructure is running on 1960s tech -- old mainframes. They haven't upgraded in all this time because there's no other options. What good will satellites do if the ground control stations are still running vaccum tubes? We need to network the ground stations together and provide a better interface with the birds in the sky. One of these big iron setups went down in New York and it paralyzed most of the eastern seaboard. That lack of redundancy in such a safety-critical environment is simply unacceptable.

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    1. Re:what's tracking going to do? by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Second, nobody's been investing in airport infrastructure.

      That should be firstly. For all the administration's talk of opening up new airways, we do not have an air shortage. We have a concrete shortage. More routes for the enroute phase of flight just give you a shorter trip from one traffic jam to the next traffic jam, and it's going to stay that way until we get more runways open.

      rj

    2. Re:what's tracking going to do? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Second, nobody's been investing in airport infrastructure.

      That should be firstly. For all the administration's talk of opening up new airways, we do not have an air shortage. We have a concrete shortage. More routes for the enroute phase of flight just give you a shorter trip from one traffic jam to the next traffic jam, and it's going to stay that way until we get more runways open.

      rj

      As I understand it the traffic problems in the USA are primarily on a few high traffic routes like New York to Washington. If they invested in high speed rail on those links the congestion problem in the air might not be such an issue.

    3. Re:what's tracking going to do? by zonky · · Score: 2, Informative

      As I understand it the traffic problems in the USA are primarily on a few high traffic routes like New York to Washington. If they invested in high speed rail on those links the congestion problem in the air might not be such an issue.

      Er, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acela_Express ?

    4. Re:what's tracking going to do? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Funny

      If they invested in high speed rail

      WHAAAT?!? This is America, you damn pinko commie! We don't do that shit here.

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    5. Re:what's tracking going to do? by nabsltd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's much easier to get to the endpoints of the Acela, and so you save all the transit time to the airport, all the security delay, the waiting to board delay, and the sitting on the tarmac delay.

      For the Washington to New York run, it's generally faster to take the train.

      Of course, if you're dirt cheap and have the time, there are bus tickets for less than $40 round trip, and some specials were as low as $1 one-way.

    6. Re:what's tracking going to do? by jonwil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't surprise me if people just didnt know that the Acela Express was a viable alternative to air travel. Plus, even with all the savings in time (no need to go out to the airport, go through security etc) there may still be other reasons to fly.

    7. Re:what's tracking going to do? by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You understand wrong.

      The problem of air traffic in the United States is a combination of a number of things: insufficient airport runway capacity, overused "super hubs", predictive overselling of tickets, and antiquated air traffic control systems. All these factors contribute, some (much) more than others.

      I'm a private pilot, so let's be honest - there's plenty of room the air. I fly through very busy (Sacramento and San Fransisco, CA) airspace frequently, I've never had a "near miss". Nag about 40-year-old technology all you want; it works rather well. And in the small-ish airplanes I fly, there are lots of small airports for me to fly to where there is no congestion, no hope of congestion, and rarely any other aircraft "in the pattern". (Airports have an expected approach and landing sequence, usually based around an imaginary box shape around the runways, this is called 'the pattern' by pilots)

      But when you are talking about congestion, you are really talking about runway capacity, because although there's plenty of room in the sky, there are a relatively small number of airports. Combine that with the tendency of airlines to create "mega hub" airports for connecting flights (EG: Atlanta, GA) and the problem of runway shortages become paramount.

      A decent runway is about 1 or 2 miles long. It's basically a 2-4 lane freeway for just a mile or so. Adding more runways dramatically increases air capacity. A 1.5 mile runway is vastly cheaper than 100 miles of railroad, but services a similar amount of traffic over the same distance. Aviation infrastructure is ridiculously cheap compared to highways, trains, and other forms of travel. (except maybe by boat, which is cheaper still but much slower)

      Why is this hard to understand?

      Many large, busy airports have 2 or more runways, and often they split traffic based on type. My small, single-engine 4-seat Cessna 172 with its landing speed of about 60 Knots gets the short runway, while SouthWest airlines flight NNN with its landing speed of 125 Knots gets the big one.

      Notice that my small plane takes 2x as long to approach the runway as the big jet? Adding a small, short, "General Aviation" runway to this large, busy airport adds as much as 3x the capacity anytime a small plane (like mine) lands there. (my plane, plus the two commercial planes that would have landed there, anyway)

      Technology advances in combination with commercial flight restrictions (show me your SHOES!) mean that there are more small-medium sized planes in the sky, flying shorter trips, and generating more traffic where it counts - at the runways.

      Add runways. They are cheap, especially when compared to the cost of other forms of infrastructure....

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  9. Re: gridlock in the sky by grimw · · Score: 2

    Actually, you should look up "dependent". You say we it's okay to use it, but we shouldn't be dependent on it. Well, then why use it at all? Dependent just means we require its use, and if we want more accuracy, we do require its use. I'm preeeeeeettty sure we will still know how to use and will still have radar in case there are problems. You know, that same government you mention could very well do the same thing with our existing radar network. So, what's the difference? Also, with satellites, we can still do visual recognition if we think something is amiss. So, technically, we're getting even MORE failsafes. Take off your tinfoil hat now.

  10. Speaking as a pilot. . . . by colonel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is mixed news for me.

    Currently, a big plane will show up on radar as a blip. The pilot will call control, and state his/her identity and position. Controller will then make an educated guess as to which plane is which dot on the radar scope, and assign you a 4-digit "Squawk" code (Say, 1234). Pilot enters the squawk code in to his instruments, and the instruments then start broadcasting "Aircraft 1234 is at 32,000ft" on the radio. This then lets the radar display aircraft identification and altitude beside each blip. Simple, yes? Prone to human error?

    So obviously, we need something less vulnerable to human error, and more vulnerable to programmer error. That's how the world works.

    With ADS-B, the aircraft pulls down GPS coordinates and altitude, and then broadcasts them in cleartext on open frequencies to everyone. "Aircraft C-FBQN is at 10,000ft at N45.4870947 & W75.0967026 travelling at 121kts heading 180 True."

    So, targeting your ground-to-air missiles just got a whole bunch easier.

    The advantage, though, is that you can become much safer in the areas where there's no radar coverage. Hudson's Bay, North Atlantic, etc. Those are busy places with lots of planes and sleepy pilots.

    Also, the aircraft I mentionned earlier in my example is C-FBQN. I love that baby, but she doesn't show up on radar. With ADS-B, my flying can get much safer.

    http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007288.html

    And I don't have to even worry about the missiles, as I have no heat signature and don't show up on radar, so they'll be able to get really close, and never actually hit me.

    1. Re:Speaking as a pilot. . . . by durandal61 · · Score: 3, Informative

      So, targeting your ground-to-air missiles just got a whole bunch easier.

      I think this statement is quite silly.

      1) Coordinates do not help you if you have a shoulder-launched SAM. You track the target visually, during approach or takeoff.

      2) If you want to down a plane that is beyond visual range, you don't need coordinates: your SAM is radar guided, and you work for some country's armed forces. That plane is going down whether it transmits coordinates or not.

      End of story.

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  11. Re: gridlock in the sky by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 4, Informative

    The nature of ADS-B is such that there is the potential for ADS-B equipment to be considerably cheaper than traditional transponders. It remains to be seen whether this will be borne out, and I'm pessimistic about it, but the potential is there.

    In any case, I never denied downsides, but there are upsides as well. As a glider pilot, I'm excited because ADS-B will probably be considerably more practical to install in an aircraft with a battery-driven electrical system.

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  12. Futurama. by Ostracus · · Score: 3, Funny

    "ADS-B is part of the FAA's wide-reaching plan known as NextGen to revamp every component of the flight control system to meet future demands and avoid gridlock in the sky.""

    Space invaders showed us how to avoid gridlock.

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  13. Without having RTFA (who does these days..)... by dos4who · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Which is a "better" scenario. One where there are many small points of possible failure (a GPS sending unit per plane) or one large point of possible failure (having a radar station go fubar on a Friday night)?

    What are the opinions of Slashdotters who experience both types of failures in their respective corporate worlds?

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  14. Re: gridlock in the sky by lysergic.acid · · Score: 5, Informative

    while i agree that the post 9/11 airport security measures and completely pointless and make flying an absolute nightmare, that does not negate the benefits of this new system.

    firstly, it's not the lack of "airspace" that this system is addressing. ADS-B provides more accurate/precise information to pilots in addition to having far more extensive coverage than radar. not only are they getting weather & air traffic information for improved situational awareness in the air, but this technology is also being used to help pilots navigate on the tarmac:

    With radar, pilots rely on air traffic controllers and a see-and-avoid strategy that literally entails looking out the window to avoid wandering in the way of--or colliding with--other aircraft on the runways. With ADS-B, pilots have a cockpit display, which looks like a full-color, topographical map on a computer screen, showing where they are, where everyone else is, and the ever-changing weather around them. "It's giving the pilot an extra set of eyes," says von Thaden, who is also a licensed pilot.

    ADS-B's ability to update in real-time is especially important on runways, with so many planes in such close proximity. "Things happen a lot faster on the surface," says Vincent Capezzuto, the FAA program manager for ADS-B. "There are aircraft speeding up to take off. There are aircraft that are landing and going really fast and decelerating and taking sharp turns onto these high-speed taxiways to get off the runway."
    [...]
    Additionally, by enabling more tightly spaced landings, and less time in holding patterns, ADS-B saves 40 to 70 gallons (150 to 265 liters) of fuel per landing. Mangeot estimates that the Continuous Descent Approach enabled by ADS-B, during which aircraft glide in with their engines at idle thrust, cut nitrous oxide emissions (a greenhouse gas) by about 34 percent as well as noise pollution by some 30 percent.

    in fact the worst plane accident in history (excluding the 9-11 attacks, which were deliberate terrorist acts) was the Tenerife airport disaster (1977) which involved the collision of two 747s on the runway. since pilots rely so heavily on air traffic controllers to help them navigate the runway, a simple miscommunication due to a language barrier between the pilot and the tower caused one of the 747s to be parked directly in the path of another 747 preparing for take-off. and because looking out the window was the only other way for pilots to see their surroundings (and avoid collisions), the heavy fog covering the airport that day obscured the two planes from each other until it was too late. this accident could easily have been prevented if ADS-B had been in place, since the pilots in both planes would have been able to clearly see their relative position to each other and to the layout of the runway system.

    lastly, i want to point out the crash of Avianca Flight 52 in 1990. this incident occurred during foggy conditions as well, but this time the root cause of the accident was due to the 707 being put in a holding pattern for over an hour until they literally ran out of fuel and crashed. the 707 was actually given priority landing right before they ran out of fuel, however due to bad wind shear info given by the flight controllers the plane dropped below the glideslope, resulting a missed approach. however, they didn't have enough fuel for a second approach. the engines flamed out; the plane lost power; and then it crashed.

    accurate weather info, more tightly spaced landings, less time in holding patterns, and less fuel expended for landings would all improve the safety and efficacy of commercial air travel. perhaps if the planes on the ground that night had been able to taxi themselves using the ADS-B display, the decreased workload on the tower controllers would have allowed them to land more planes in a shorter amount of time--maybe ev

  15. Re: gridlock in the sky by davolfman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We're talking the aviation market. There's a snowballs chance in hell of anyone charging a reasonable price for these.

  16. Re: gridlock in the sky by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a small chance, if you are willing to accept a reasonable aviation price instead of a price that any outside observer would think to be reasonable. MITRE has developed a reference design for an ADS-B unit which runs off a few AA batteries and could conceivably be produced for just a few hundred dollars if the FAA can be convinced to allow less rigorous certification standards for this sort of application. Whether they can be made to see the light remains to be seen, but it's at least possible even if not likely.

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  17. Re:They have only been working on this for 30 year by Ravon+Rodriguez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    exactly. I'd be interested in finding out what kind of redundancy they have in the system; Satellites become disabled in one way or another too frequently.

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  18. Re: gridlock in the sky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not all aircraft are in the "tower" airspace. "Center" radar updates are once in ~12 sec (tower/TRACON at about 5 sec). ADS-B updates once a sec (ok, two squitters per sec on 1090 MHz for you geeks, UAT is 1/sec).

    The information is not just for ATC. It can be/is also received by other AIRCRAFT that are properly equipped.

    And there is no ATC direct communication over the ocean (OK, you speak to an private company operator over HF, who relays it to the controller etc. -- I am ignoring a bit of non-mainstream communications here.)

  19. Re: gridlock in the sky by dfjunior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    None of the benefits you mention really requires satellites as part of the system.

    ...they generally rely on the airplane transponders which report the GPS...

    ur not doin it right

  20. Re: gridlock in the sky by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yet another thing to break when an unexpected solar flare or two shorts out some satellites at high altitude.

  21. satellites are not "tracking" the planes by cstacy · · Score: 4, Informative
    The summary makes it sound like satellites are going to track the airplanes, but that's not what is going on at all.

    What this is really about is that the airplane's transponder (simply a radio that transmits about 200 miles around) will broadcast not only the plane's ID tag, but also it's GPS position. Satellites only come into this system in the sense that the airplane has a GPS receiver on board, and GPS is of course satellites. So each airplane broadcasts not only who it is, but where it is. The other new part is that all the airplanes will recieve and process that information to give the pilots a picture of who else is flying around near them. Furthermore, ground radar stations will broadcast on the transponder channel as a proxy for those aircraft that are not equipped to transmit their GPS.

    Historically, planes have always transmitted an ID code (mainly, a manually assigned code from the air traffic center who is most recently responsible for them). The next big thing was for the transponder to also include the aircraft's altitude. Now, these are called "transponders" because they only transmit when polled by a ground station's radar sweep. And until recently, only the ground controllers received the transponder hits from the aircraft. About 10 years ago, planes (expensive airliners, mainly) started receiving and processing the nearby transponder responses as well, so that they could see what other planes were at their altitude. This is a collision-avoidance system. So now that planes are equipped with GPS comes the revolution: they can transmit their precise location to each other, and also to the controllers, and everyone can see a complete picture of where all the nearby planes are. This will ultimately enable pilots to fly more efficient routes, allowing more freedom for the controllers and pilots to work things out dynamically.

  22. Re: gridlock in the sky by azery · · Score: 2, Insightful

    cheaper equipment: it would surprise me as you always need a mode S transponder for ADS-B. FAA relaxing on standards: if ADS-B is the sole means of surveillance, they will require even more stringent testing and performance. In the past, if your transponder was not perfect, they had primary radar to see you. In the future, with only ADS-B, transmitting e.g. a wrong position is much more dangerous.