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Google's Gatekeepers

theodp writes "With control of 63% of the world's Internet searches, as well as ownership of YouTube, the NY Times reports that Google is the most powerful and protean of the Internet gatekeepers, exerting enormous influence over who can find an audience on the Web around the world. Deciding what controversial material does and doesn't appear on the local search engines Google maintains in many countries — as well as on Google.com, YouTube, Blogger, Picasa, and Orkut — falls on the shoulders of Nicole Wong and her colleagues, who have arguably been given more influence over online expression than anyone else on the planet. Some find Google's gatekeeper role worrisome: 'If your whole game is to increase market share,' says Lawrence Lessig, 'it's hard to do good, and to gather data in ways that don't raise privacy concerns or that might help repressive governments to block controversial content.'"

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  1. They blacklist sites without checking the reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    www.annabelleigh.net got blacklisted awhile back for allegedly hosting illegal material.

    It doesn't. It never has. I take that back: If anyone posts illegal material it is removed swiftly. It's still mostly blacklisted.

    Yahoo still indexes it.

    Call this sour grapes and maybe it is but Google doesn't make much effort to fix errors that have only a small impact on the average person.

  2. This is news? by vvaduva · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is this news? Not that I agree with their political message, but World Net Daily (wnd.com) has been on the receiving end of Google's actions for a while now, supposedly due to political motives; so yes, this should worry anyone interested in free and open access to information.

  3. Borg by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's fitting that the NY Times used the word protean to describe Google, since the word also has alternative meanings as a bacteria and is linked to a greek fable of a shape-changing god of the ocean. The problem of the internet is that people, unlike machines, don't handle decentralization well. Anarchy has always been a temporary reprise from authoritarian constructs. In and of itself that's not a problem, but there's too much political pressure to censor, alter, and manipulate access to online information, and let's face it: Very, very few of us have the resources to conduct an exhaustive independent search on the internet.

    Honestly, I'm surprised the United States hasn't declared Google (and other major internet pieces) a national security asset and moved to place it under government protection. They've done it before -- citizens who worked on the Manhattan project, for example. It could also easily be looked at as a target for terrorism -- blasting google out of the water would have significant press coverage; And isn't the big reason for terrorism to be visible? It's hard to come up with a bigger target online right now than them.

    cue fear-mongerers and anti-government commentary in 5...4...3...

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    1. Re:Borg by Pichu0102 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Um, I don't think you can just "blow Google up". Don't they have datacenters around the globe?

    2. Re:Borg by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Obviously it would take a high degree of coordination and skill but an electronic attack could take them out for awhile. It's been done before to large companies. My only point is that google is an attractive target for a great many political interests both domestically and abroad.

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    3. Re:Borg by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not that difficult to script a search that checks multiple search engines to see if the same items appear. There are folks who do that. Comparing Google to other search engines is a business function these days. I don't think that Google could go too far out on a limb with modifying or restricting information without some complaints.

      When you are as Big as Google, yes, there will be complaints. You can't please everyone all of the time. That said, I've not yet heard of Google outright doing evil.

      Knowing the Bush administration and spy types in general, it's quite likely that there have been instances of co-operation, if not ongoing situations. The trouble is that given the size of Google and other Internet services providers it is not likely that there will be NO government co-operative instances. The thing to work at is keeping such things minimal and transparent/above board.

      So far, Google has been good for the world. I'm not saying it will always be so, so it is good that people are watching them.

    4. Re:Borg by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Funny

      My only point is that google is an attractive target for a great many political interests both domestically and abroad.

      Nah. If they take down Google, how else are they going to find out what to do with all those bombmaking materials?

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  4. So.... by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what is the big deal? Google censors some things, don't like it? Go to one of the thousands of other search engines. The thing about search engines is there is almost no learning curve and its incredibly easy to switch, want to use Yahoo? Just type in Yahoo rather than Google. Replace Yahoo for whatever search engine you want. If people really think that Google's censorship policies are bad for the internet the internet will switch to another search engine or create their own. The internet evolves fast, 10 years ago we didn't use Google we used other search engines, 10 years from now we probably won't use Google, we will use something else. Can't wait 10 years? Just go to a different search engine. Seriously, censorship is bad but this is the internet, not the government-regulated airspace, there is no FCC, it is global.

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  5. What About Choice? by GaryPatterson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use Google for searches, but I could easily switch to Yahoo, AltaVista or even MSN.

    Until Google start doing things to stop people using other search engines, there's no problem. If people object to the dominance of Google, they must either campaign for users to move to other engines, or create a better engine and gain marketshare.

  6. Re:Only 63% by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Perhaps in the USA and parts of Europe Google has around 90%, but there is a very popular Chinese search engine that is what most of the people use in China to surf the censored web and I'm sure that in some parts of Europe there are more popular search engines unknown to the rest of us.

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  7. Wrong again by jmcbain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you referring to US vs. Microsoft in 1998-1999? That was with regard to Internet Explorer, not the Windows OS. Microsoft lost, and they are paying their due penalty.

    Google, on the other hand, has a much larger monopoly not just on search advertising but on information availability. Your bitter dislike of Microsoft is blinding you apparently; you'd rather fight over small fries like what browser you want use rather than fight over where you can find information and who controls it.

  8. Re:They blacklist sites without checking the reaso by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Try reading the newspapers, or even searching Google for 'google censorship in China'. The top of the search shows the BBC article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4645596.stm.

    So, in fact, China censors 'illegal material' which is a violation of UN treaties to censor in international communications. The idea of 'do no harm' is not good enough for such a large and powerful company: the idea of 'do no harm in China' by not bothering their government is in direct contrast to 'do no harm in China' by restricting the speech of those who disagree with the government.

  9. Re:Google workforce on the extreme left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's all relative; Compared to places like Berkley or downtown San Francisco, Google is pretty moderate; Compared to the rest of the country, not so much. What else would you expect for a company from the San Francisco Bay area?

    P.S. We do at least have some closet Libertarians, as evidenced by the Ron Paul talk a while back. Also, remote office locations also tend to reflect the local populace pretty well.

  10. Re:They blacklist sites without checking the reaso by moderatorrater · · Score: 3, Insightful

    90% of the people in this country will tell you that www.annabelleigh.net crosses the line. I'm guessing over 50% will have a strong reaction against it and would prefer that Google make sure it doesn't come up in their search results. So, you can see it as Google repressing a very small portion of the population, or you can see it as Google's doing the rest of us a big favor.

  11. Re:They blacklist sites without checking the reaso by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, you can see it as Google repressing a very small portion of the population, or you can see it as Google's doing the rest of us a big favor.

    Isn't that the standard definition of repression? Mistreat one group for the benefit, sometimes completely intangible benefit, of another?

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  12. Re:They blacklist sites without checking the reaso by Brian+Ribbon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "90% of the people in this country will tell you that www.annabelleigh.net crosses the line. I'm guessing over 50% will have a strong reaction against it and would prefer that Google make sure it doesn't come up in their search results."

    It doesn't cross a legal line, so presumably you are referrring to a "moral" line. When you begin to moralise the internet, who can say where or when the resultant censorship will end?

    "So, you can see it as Google repressing a very small portion of the population, or you can see it as Google's doing the rest of us a big favor."

    Google is not doing a "big favor" for anyone. Censoring controversial material doesn't help readers; it simply makes them ignorant.

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