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Opera 10 Alpha 1 Released, Aces Acid 3 Test
Khuffie writes "It seems that the upcoming version of Opera 10, of which the first Alpha has recently been released, has already passed the Acid 3 test with a 100/100. The only other rendering engine to have a complete score is WebKit, which can be seen in Google Chrome's nightly build. Opera 10 Alpha 1 will also finally include auto-updates, inline spell checking, and see some improvements to its built-in mail client, including much-requested rich text composition."
Opera was last spotted moving across the country in a technicolored school bus called the "Further."
I scoff at the lack of sparc/solaris ports of the latest Opera browser!
There was a time not long ago when Opera was the browser of choice for Solaris, but now it isnt even an option.
dubya tee ehf, mates?
Perhaps the submitter could have benefitted from those.....
The acid test is important but what about important things for users..
Firefox had this years ago, seriously is this accurate, Opera just got these?
How could anyone confuse "sign" with "seen"?
the mind boggles...
...is it smooth? I thought that was part of the criteria for passing the test, not just the 100/100 thing.
Still, congratulations to the Opera team. Now for Acid4, whenever that comes out.
From a user's perspective: Yes, it's cool to pass the Acid tests, but unless one of my favourite websites breaks in Firefox (or IE, for the less geeky among us), I really won't care.
From a developer's perspective: Until the really atrocious browsers (*cough*IE*cough*) get up to standard, developers will continue to have headaches coding for cross-browser compatibility anyway. Currently, you have to test for "IE" and "everything else" (ok, so you need to test in all the non-IE browsers for completeness' sake, but if it works in one of them it's very likely going to work in all of them).
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Scoring 100/100 on the JavaScript subtests is only part of passing Acid3. A browser also has to render the page correctly (including the proper favicon) and complete each subtest within a certain amount of time. From reports in the Opera forums, it looks like Opera 10 still isn't passing the performance aspect of Acid3. I think Safari 4 is still the only browser to fully pass Acid3.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
I've been using it all day (Ubuntu 8.10, gcc4/qt4) and I've not encountered any major setbacks or bad renderings. There's some graphical distortions on the tab bar, but I have a feeling that's a purely cosmetic, chrome issue which could be resolved with a quick flick of the wrist.
Really, I think Opera is slowly becoming my browser of choice for day-to-day activities. It's just faster than Firefox or Safari or Chrome. I'd like to see it get the process separation abilities of Chrome and the extensibility of Firefox, and it would be awesome. I still use Firefox for development, though, because its market share is much, much higher and the tools are there (Firebug and Web Developer, plus Venkman, etc.).
However, the mail client and feed reader are still lackluster. Thunderbird does a better job of the former, Google Reader handles the latter better. If Opera could act as a frontend to Google Reader, I'd be a very, very happy man, and so would thousands of others who like desktop applications with web-based backends.
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Other features include a spell checker and auto updating.
Firefox had this years ago, seriously is this accurate, Opera just got these?
So Opera is a little behind the times...
Personally I can't wait until they get around to implementing horrendous security holes as a subset of its features!
Well, back to rejecting software patent applications.
I guess they still have some work to do.
If you mod me down, I will become more powerful than you can imagine....
or on a firefox with the language setting for soviet russia.....
.... where Chrome signs you.
Okay I gave the OS X alpha a spin. It does get 100 on the Acid3, but still doesn't manage smooth animation on my machine and probably not on the reference hardware. Javascript performance is behind compared to the latest Webkit and the Sunspider test. On my machine the Opera alpha is very slightly slower than the release version of Safari and about six times slower than the nightly Webkit with the new javascript improvements. The alpha does support some OS X system services, but still fails to use the default spelling and grammar checking, instead offering only a proprietary spellcheck that ignores my carefully trained dictionaries that work in most all of my other programs.
It's nice to see Opera is still in the game and trying, but it feels like they're still falling behind in the new, turbocharged browser race. Now if only IE would fix their flat tires and get back in the race.
No border-radius? *sniff*
Is it specified in some stupid way like Mozilla & Webkit do it?
It looks like it still doesn't implement any kind of local storage.
A feature that other browsers have for years, including IE since IE 5.5.
No big improvement in their Javascript engine either.
And Dragonfly is still way behind Firebug and Web Inspector. /., it's now the opposite.
Opera used to be great, it was ahead of time in the Mozilla Firebird days. But nowadays they seem to fall behing other browsers. Plus Opera is closed-source and there's even no NetBSD/OpenBSD/DragonflyBSD blob. Plus it used to be fast and light compared to other browsers, but according to recent stories published on
I was an Opera lover, but nowadays, I really see no point in using it over Firefox and Webkit.
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I hope that's something you have to explicitly enable, because I won't be upgrading if I'm forced into some horrible rich-text editor. I hate those. Colored text in different sizes, vertical bars instead of proper > quote indicators, and animated smileys, I crave these like I crave my penis falling off from leprosy.
Belief is the currency of delusion.
The latest beta only gets 92/100. They'll never be able to catch up!
Something both Safari and Firefox 3.1 have by default
Here is the test
I love Opera more than any other browser out there and use it all the time, but wake me up when it starts to support nested tabs. There was a post by a Firefox user not so long ago who mentioned such an addon. People are rightfully raving about this time saving feature (and similar addons).
Tabs are grouped hierarchially according to where they are opened from in the form of a tree, but they can be expanded if need be. Tab names can be fully seen (instead of just graphical icons), and a whole branch may be closed (e.g. a site + its sub pages). A massive space saver when you are working with loads of sites.
I posted a message on the Opera forum. One can but hope:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=257296
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Web-Kit is also the core for Safari. And it first passed Acid 3 Sept 25, 2008 in the nightly build of Safari.
http://webkit.org/blog/280/full-pass-of-acid-3/
$ bzip2 -dc opera* | tar vxf - ./opera
$ cd opera*
$
Segmentation Fault
Alphatastic.
When is Opera Mobile 9.5 coming out of Beta? Is Opera following the Google model of leaving things in permanent beta?
Is acing the acid3 something new? I've got a debian lenny laptop with epiphany-webkit that gets 100%.
Why is it called the ACID test?
ACID was originally used for databases: Atomicity, Consistency, Isolation, and Durability.
Hijacking the term for a browser test is just dumb.
I like Opera, but it seem like they are at the end of an endless battle with the bigger browsers. I think they should try to team up with firefox somehow to help capture more of the market from IE. I'm sure they could do more damage
I used to use Opera for several years, but switched to a mix of Konqueror for most web browsing, Firefox for gmail and other broken sites and KMail for other mail because Opera just didn't fit in well with the rest of the desktop and my applications. You could tweak the look some with skins, but I could never get it to use my Qt style. At the time I was also using the OS-X-like menu bar which Opera wouldn't use, and there were some other annoyances. Since Opera uses Qt I would think it would be a great browser for KDE, but so far that hasn't been the case. Any improvements here?
Opera 9 doesn't since Microsoft's recent rework.
Just tried it out, and of course it passes ACID3 as advertised. I still can't recommend this browser on the grounds that it can't correctly render absolutely positioned CSS elements, as demonstrated by the following code:
<!DOCTYPE html
PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">
<head>
<title>Resize your browser with the vertical handle!</title>
</head>
<body>
<div style="position:absolute;left:20px;right:20px;top:20px;bottom:20px;background-color:lime;">
<div style="position:absolute;left:20px;right:20px;top:20px;bottom:20px;background-color:red;">
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>
Hosted version of the above:
http://echo.nextapp.com/content/test/operacss/
Opera 9.50, 9.60, and now 10.0alpha will not render the above properly if the browser is resized vertically. (9.27 and prior work perfectly) On the initial render, 9.5/9.6 and 10 do fine, but the moment one resizes the browser vertically (and NOT horizontally as well), things go awry. I reported this to their bug tracker six months ago, and posted a thread on their forums 2.5 months ago: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=250572 Have also mentioned it in their 9.6-about-to-be-released-post-non-working-sites thread.
This bug has additional consequences for AJAX applications that make use of on-screen measuring using offsetWidth/offsetHeight information. In such cases, even the initial rendering can be seriously flawed as offsetHeight returns incorrect values. (Note: offsetXXX properties are not part of a proper W3c standard, but are universally supported).
Apologize for the quasi-rant, but I just don't want to see another bug report about how our applications don't look right in a supposedly ACID3 compliant browser, thus indicating that the problem "MUST" be our fault. Please realize that passing ACID3, while a neat accomplishment and generally good thing, is far from a guarantee of standards compliance.
I'm glad to know about this new beta, but frankly I care a lot less about perfect ACID scores than I do a workable solution for blocking ads. And I'm not talking about the lame ass right-click-block-content function, I want a solution that will block ads across my browsing experience, like the Firefox Adblock Plus extension.
How about Privoxy, that's what I use. Then Safari, Opera, Firefox and anything I run in VMware can all get the same ad blocking.
It's actually an alpha.
Really, I think Opera is slowly becoming my browser of choice for day-to-day activities. It's just faster than Firefox or Safari or Chrome.
My thought processes was similar, except I made the switch back when Opera was in the 3.x era. It really is a rock solid browser.
I don't understand why it's not more popular.
IE and FF and Konqueror do -- why doesn't Opera? The omission of those buttons is a major interface flaw for me -- I use those buttons all the time.
Like in "IE what security holes?", the malware was designed to target IE, but it doesn't exploit any known IE vulnerability ... etc
I had to start up Outlook each time I wanted to edit text with images. With Opera 10 I don't have to.
what malware are you talking about? there have been more than one malware targeted at IE, and not all of them were trojans. some of them did exploit known vulnerabilities that allowed users to be infected just by visiting a malicious web page.
perhaps you should look up what a trojan is before making inapt comparisons.
What's supposed to happen with that code?
I opened your page in Opera 9.61 (x86_64) and see a large red rectangle with a green border and some white space around it. If I resize the window (no matter which direction) the rectangle is resized as well.
It looks pretty normal to me but maybe I just don't get what you're getting at.
PS: This text was spellchecked with Opera ;-)
I should have been more specific, I was thinking of activeX components in IE, they can be malicious, but need user acceptance to be used.
And yes, IE has other exploitable vulnerabilities. As said FF, IE and now Opera 10 have automatic updates to adress vulnerabilities where Opera 9.62 has a semi-automatic system.
I've been an Opera fan for a long time now, but it's wearing thin. Sure, they pass Acid whatever the fuck, but more and more sites just aren't working right with it anymore.
It's very frustrating. Today, to my knowlege, there is no browser which I can easily configure to ALWAYS pull pages out of my RAM cache, no matter what, I don't care what the web site said. I get deeply frustrated when my 3000 megahertz machine with 2 bajjillion bytes of RAM takes even a full second, let alone three or four, to render the page I was just at when I hit the Back button.
I'll hit Reload if I feel like it, dammit!
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Try again. Blocked pages/ads are blocked everywhere once you add them to the list.
Adding can be done either by going to the `block content' mode and clicking on ads, or going to `blocked content' and adding the servers and/or directories you want to block.
And it's all stored inside a simple text-file, so swapping diffs with your mates shouldn't be a problem.
What I really like about this model is that it blocks everything from the selected URLs, so you can also block those annoying text-highlight ads that are popping up (literally) everywhere these days (by blocking the server the javascript doing it is coming from).
Don't know if Netscape can do that as well, probably it can, but I don't use it enough to configure it.
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Now we know what Firefox 5 will look like.
From the download links on the page it puts the Linux builds under the section called, "Unix."
I might be confused, but last time I checked Linux != Unix. I imagine there's probably a good amount of BSD and Solaris fans that probably aren't too happy about having Linux lumped in with them (and vice versa). GNU's Not Unix?
"Just a fox, a whisper."
Because it doesn't fit your personal usage pattern? Wow. Strong words.
I agree that it should be easier for you to turn off, and maybe smart enough to work with two languages at once, but come on. Most people consider spell checking an essential feature.
"I'm the rare person who wants to leave my headlights on when I turn off the car! Whoever invented the chiming reminder to turn them off should be drawn and quartered!"
I just tested opera and it fails.
However, it still managed to score a whopping 85/100
IE only got 12/100