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IBM Launches Microsoft-Free Linux Virtual Desktop

VorlonFog writes "According to Information Week, IBM has introduced a line of business computers that avoid Microsoft's desktop environment in favor of open source software. IBM worked with Canonical and Virtual Bridges to create the platform, which IBM claims saves businesses $500 to $800 per user on software licenses and an additional $258 per user 'since there is no need to upgrade hardware to support Vista and Office.'"

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  1. Desktop Environment? by RandomPsychology · · Score: 5, Funny

    because for some strange reason, we're not allowed to use the word "Windows" anymore due to the DMCA...

    1. Re:Desktop Environment? by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I removed windows from my house, thieves used it as backdoors.

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    2. Re:Desktop Environment? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Insightful
      A desktop environment is so much more than the OS, its even more than the OS plus Office suite.

      Off the top of my head, our 'desktop environment' consists of:
      • OS (Windows XP Pro or Windows 2003 R2 for Terminal Services)
      • Office 2007
      • CRM application
      • Report generator
      • CCM application
      • Autoroute 2007
      • TopCalc (a third party Line of Business application)
      • CAP (a third party Line of Business application)
      • Legis (a third party Line of Business application)

      And thats without listing the several internal Line of Business applications we use.

      I can't remember when the last time was that a 'desktop environment' I used consisted solely of the OS and an office suite - and thats why we can't migrate to a different platform: theres no alternatives to 90% of the applications we use on other platforms.

      I think thats a point that many people gloss over.

    3. Re:Desktop Environment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, most people's 'desktop enviroment' looks like the following:

      OS
      Sony Rootkit
      Spyware
      Spyware
      Adware
      Trojan
      Keylogger
      Trojan
      Hidden folder full of p0rn
      Quicktime nagware
      Realplayer nagware
      Text file with all passwords
      Adobe nagware
      Hidden folder full of stolen (err, I mean shared) mp3s

  2. Most interesting line by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To me, the most interesting part of this short article is this:

    Revenue from Microsoft's Client division, which derives mostly from Vista... edged up just 2% year over year... despite the fact that the overall PC market grew 10% to 12% during the same period.

  3. Re:Better? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's better for IBM. No one ever said it was better for you.

  4. TCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm posting anonymously because I don't want to have people at my company know who I am. But it seems to me that Linux while cheap to buy is not cheap to keep patched and secure, particularly in a fleet of inhomogeneous platforms and users and network,printer, or disk sharing conditions in different buildings and subnets.

    The nice thing about Linux however is that a very skillful and thoughtful person can plan out a very robust network and can mange the patches. But it takes effort, dicsipline and an above avegage IT guy. And if you lose that person, you are screwed. Even a new equally skilled guy probably can't get all the scripts and stuff the last guy used to manage to work.

    With windows, you can take a balow average imbecile, get them through a certification course, and they become almost interchangable monkeys. you need a lot of them since you will constantly be fighting fires or hunting down the right driver for the given brand of computer, but they can do it and it will work.

    Moreover, and this is the critical part, a manager who is not an expert can tell if his monkies are keeping up with patches. MS tells him what he need to do. With Linux you can't really tell if the IT guy is doing it all, or if your pants are around your ankles.

    So it's not enough to use Linux to reduce TCO. you need to have a company like IBM telling you how to manage your configuration. Not because a skillful IT can't. But because a manager will know that IBM has his back.

    saddly a mediocre virus prone Windows network is, to a manager, much easier to sleep at night, than a well run Linux system that's tight as a ducks Ass, simply because he knows it's reasonably safe from an industry standard point of view.

    people will trade, extremes (linux) for mediocre, if they can limit thier risks.

    I note this is one reason people think macs have low TCO. They are more secure than windows, and a manager can also know if they are getting patched right. So it's win win.

    1. Re:TCO by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I would say you're spot-on. Not that any of this is really technically accurate. But rather, the perception is accurate. Many managers really do believe this.

      Such is the nature of IT. I've seen pre-packaged, supported software completely screwed up and ineffective in practice. I've seen Uber-admins roll together some scripts that just did amazing things for years and nobody ever really had to worry about it. I've seen amazing stuff completely fall apart when the guy who knew how it all worked moved on to other things. I've seen people say something is "impossible" while ignoring the fact that not only can it be done in-house, but there's also several supported solutions being offered by big IT houses.

      But at the end of the day, IT decisions are made on comfort alone. Sometimes that comfort comes from due diligence (experience and research). Often it comes from simple familiarity and a skewed perspective.

  5. Re:Better? by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Support from IBM. Costly, but effective, for many large corporations. Plus, for corporations which already pay IBM big bucks, it probably lowers support costs to use their desktop.

  6. Re:Congrats by VorlonFog · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You're welcome. I hate those damned advertisement screens that pop up before you ever see the first page of the article. I also hate how they break a small article like this into multiple pages to increase the volume of adverts they can cram around the page. (I really wondered if anyone would notice or care.)

  7. If they did it right.... by mlwmohawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the things that truly sucks about Windows is the registry. Each windows box is its own unique little snowflake, thus impossible to replace easily.

    If this is done right, all the configuration is in the user's home ditrectory, probably shared on the network, and the rest of the system is a standard image. That means any user can use any computer and have their system where they want it.

    This is no surprise to us UNIX folk, but POWs "Prisoners Of Windows," will love it. Imagine being able to replace/upgrade your computer simply by dropping a new box in front of you. Your settings completely unchanged!!!

    I have been doing this with Linux for so long (separate /home disk that persists), I can't believe people still put up with Windows nonsense.

  8. What IBM is up to by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 5, Informative

    I noticed that these computers make use of Lotus Symphony rather than Open Office, so I did a little reading. Lotus Symphony is based on an Open Office back end with a custom front end. This front end has gotten mixed reviews for having a better interface than Open Office, but less features.

    Symphony is not open source. Open Office is open source, but has loose licensing rules which allow Symphony to build off of it without contributing back. Symphony is free, which is nice, but IBM retains control of it.

    Control is the key here. The point of Lotus Symphony, and the point of this line of computers, is the same: to sell other Lotus software which will tie in with Symphony, and to sell support for Lotus products.

    This isn't such a bad thing, really. Having an IBM-backed line of Linux business machines will give Linux a better reputation in the business world. However, I am wary of the closed source Symphony becoming a standard for Linux business machines. Also, if IBM is going to benefit from Open Office, I hope that they would also contribute back to it.

  9. Re:Fantastic but... by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't found Visio to be highly useful, personally.
    Umm. So what. Other people do. If it is not on there then it is a problem. Heck I would be happy for a mac port of Microsoft Project.

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  10. Re:Better? by vishbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many companies don't want to find out which distro is the best. That's precisely why they'd buy from IBM--a full Linux environment set up for them.

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  11. Re:Fantastic but... by copponex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please don't act like OO is a feasible alternative for these programs.

    Why not? And please, be very specific.

    Some stuff doesn't work exactly right, but they offer pretty robust file compatibility. If you have coded yourself into a corner and are dependent on their VBA platform, now is a good time to start getting off the junk.

    The only program for most businesses that's missing is a full featured and multi-user accounting package like Quickbooks. There are certain programs which have zero alternatives, like Final Cut, Photoshop (for serious CMYK), Autodesk products, etc. But the beauty of OOo is that those windows and mac users can be on the free office platform, and as soon as the vendor offers a Linux release or a viable alternative arises, you have one less thing to migrate.

    Migration is painful, but if you choose the right platform to move to, it can be worth it. I recently moved a small office from SBS 2003 to an Ubuntu box. It was time consuming, and there were a lot of unforeseen problems the first few days, but now they have stopped obsessively checking the server to make sure it's still working, they receive far less spam, and when a free alternative to Quickbooks arrives, they will use all of the same programs - OOo, Firefox, Thunderbird - and only their OS will change.

    Building the bridges to dumping Windows is key. In my opinion, the open source community should focus on releasing cross platform applications and frameworks. Once you make the choice of Windows or Linux trivial for application support, people will undoubtedly choose the cheaper operating system, especially during the next few years while the economy is suffering worldwide.

  12. It takes a thief to catch a thief by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, the Open Software programmers have done a great job of providing a very capable platform. But it is not the technical excellence that is keeping MSFT well entrenched. From barely legal tactics forcing the vendors to do things, playing with device drivers, many many marketing and business practices help MSFT maintain its hold. No matter how good the OS codes are, it is going to take significant investment to pry the users from proprietary MSFT format. Let IBM match MSFT in these tactics. The fall out would be good for the general community.

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  13. upgrade? by s1lhouette · · Score: 5, Funny

    and an additional $258 per user 'since there is no need to upgrade hardware to support Vista and Office.'"

    Since when have people been upgrading to vista?

  14. Re:eweek and WSJ articles. by Ihmhi · · Score: 5, Funny

    How can you be "terminally lazy"? Too apathetic to dial 911 while you're bleeding on the kitchen floor? Don't want to go to the hospital to get your chemo?