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Chemical Pollution Is Destroying Masculinity

myrdos2 writes "A host of common chemicals is feminizing males of every class of vertebrate animals, from fish to mammals, including people. Many have been identified as 'endocrine disruptors' or gender-benders because they interfere with hormones. Communities heavily polluted with gender-benders in Canada, Russia, and Italy have given birth to twice as many girls as boys, which may offer a clue to the mysterious shift in sex ratios worldwide. And a study at Rotterdam's Erasmus University showed that boys whose mothers had been exposed to PCBs grew up wanting to play with dolls and tea sets rather than with traditionally male toys. It also follows hard on the heels of new American research which shows that baby boys born to women exposed to widespread chemicals in pregnancy are born with smaller penises and feminized genitals. It is calculated that 250,000 babies who would have been boys have been born as girls instead in the US and Japan alone. And sperm counts are dropping precipitously. Studies in more than 20 countries have shown that they have dropped from 150 million per milliliter of sperm fluid to 60 million over 50 years."

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  1. That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    On behalf of my fellow males I'd like to say:

    ...shit

    1. Re:That sucks by ckthorp · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yah, but the males that are left have 2x better odds. TWOOOOO GIRLS FOR EVERY GUY

    2. Re:That sucks by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yah, but the males that are left have 2x better odds. <sings>TWOOOOO GIRLS FOR EVERY GUY</sings>

      If you think that actually means you'll get chicks then I suggest you remember where it is that you are posting ;)

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    3. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Polygamy? Most man can hardly tolerate one wife!

    4. Re:That sucks by caereth · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately for slashdotters, 2*0 = 0.

    5. Re:That sucks by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trust me. I'm married. You wouldn't. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happily married. But one thing being married has taught me -- women are complex, emotional creatures who need a whole lot of care and feeding (well, actually, I knew that before I got married, but you learn it better after you're married). Taking care of one spouse is difficult enough.

      What you want is polyamory, not polygamy. That way you get to have sex with the other women, and you only have take care of one. ;)

    6. Re:That sucks by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That depends on a lot of other factors besides government encouragement.

      See it like this: Polygamy is here, today. Depending on your culture or country, it might be officially sanctioned (muslims if n=4, or mormons) or not (most of the west, anything else that's catholic). But reality is that it simply takes different forms. In the west, for example, the rich manager simply has an affair. More often with knowledge of his wife than you'd think.

      The common factor is that requires the ability to financially support two wives. That's why in muslim countries, even though they can have up to four wives, the vast majority only have one. They simply can't afford a second one. And that's why in western society, a lot of rich men do have two (or more) wives, going by different official terms, because they can afford to.

      So - you still happy? :-)

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    7. Re:That sucks by genner · · Score: 5, Funny

      women are complex, emotional creatures who need a whole lot of care and feeding

      Oh come on, your wife isn't that fat.

    8. Re:That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You think tolerating multiple wives is difficult, try more than one mother in law!

    9. Re:That sucks by simcop2387 · · Score: 5, Funny

      no problem, just go for sisters!

    10. Re:That sucks by Veggiesama · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...shit

      I'm not so sure that will get the hormones out of our systems any faster, but I appreciate the advice.

    11. Re:That sucks by icedcool · · Score: 5, Funny

      MOD PARENT INSIGHTFUL.

      Coolidge effect: The term comes from an old joke, according to which President Calvin Coolidge and his wife allegedly visited a poultry farm. During the tour, Mrs. Coolidge inquired of the farmer how his farm managed to produce so many fertile eggs with such a small number of roosters. The farmer proudly explained that his roosters performed their duty dozens of times each day.

      "Perhaps you could point that out to Mr. Coolidge," pointedly replied the First Lady.

      The President, overhearing the remark, asked the farmer, "Does each rooster service the same hen each time?"

      "No," replied the farmer, "there are many hens for each rooster."

      "Perhaps you could point that out to Mrs. Coolidge," replied the President.

      From the Wikipedia

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    12. Re:That sucks by Bob-taro · · Score: 5, Funny

      On a planet of women, what is a man needed for? Reproduction that is it.

      This is probably more well known in general society than it is in this forum, but most women actually do enjoy sex with men.

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    13. Re:That sucks by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is probably more well known in general society than it is in this forum, but most women actually do enjoy sex with men.

      [Citation Needed]

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    14. Re:That sucks by wipeMyButt · · Score: 5, Funny

      women are complex, emotional creatures

      She's forced you to watch a lot of Oprah, hasn't she.

  2. It's the commies! by tehBoris · · Score: 5, Funny

    They are impurifying our precious bodily fluids!

    1. Re:It's the commies! by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 5, Funny

      I warned them this would happen. That's why I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure grain alcohol.

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  3. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    IT still an almost male-only field. It is simply the most manly of jobs.

  4. Cultural influence by danieltdp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The choice of playing with dolls, tea sets or cars is CULTURAL and not genetic. This have been proved in numerous scientific researches.

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    1. Re:Cultural influence by VoidCrow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Have you ever considered the possibility that the cultural difference may be predicated on a genetic/physiological base? Say, culture states that girls do X therefore I, identifying as a girl, will also do X? And, if physiology allows for obvious physical dimorphism, why should there be no behavioural dimophism? It's clear enough in animal studies and from farming. Check out the word 'freemartin' in relation to cattle sometime. Humans are fundamentally different why?

    2. Re:Cultural influence by danieltdp · · Score: 5, Informative

      one

      two

      three

      This is a common misconception. Think about a society were there is no tea or car (somewere in africa). Do you think their children would choose tea set and car toys based on gender?

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    3. Re:Cultural influence by danieltdp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      BTW, contrary to what boys usually say: action figures are just dolls :-)

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    4. Re:Cultural influence by Eryq · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you completely prevent your daughter from watching TV -- where she would encounter a steady stream of images of little girls dressed in pink and playing with dolls?

      Did you prevent her from reading kids books, which are brimming with descriptions (and illustrations) of little girls wearing pink and playing with dolls?

      Did you keep her out of all malls, toy stores, and clothing stores, which display row upon row of pink clothes and dolls in the "Girls" aisles?

      Did you keep her locked in a basement, where she would never meet other little girls (whose social approval she would subconsciously seek) dressed in pink and playing with dolls?

      Did you prevent her from interacting with relatives who disagreed with your philosophy, and got her dolls and pretty pink dresses?

      Of course you didn't.

      Societal gender norms creep into every household through a hundred back doors. You can't stop them. And unless you wore pink and played with dolls in front of your little girl, and your wife never did, you were probably doing nothing to counter their influence. Being neutral is not the same as working against.

      And by the way: just a hundred years ago, pink was considered a boy's color, and blue was for girls .

      Sorry, but the GP is correct: the whole "girls love pink" thing has long been accepted as cultural, not genetic, and a hundred years from now it could very well swing the other way.

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  5. Nails by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not only is it destroying our masculinity, but it's making my nails really dirty and I've just had them done :(

  6. Bunk by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I played with old electrical transformer as a kid, practically bathing in PCBs. It didn't hurt me any. People see me comin', and it's "Lock up your wives, your daughters and your good silver, Joe's a-comin!"

    I'm the roughest, toughest, meanest, leanest, rootin-est, tootin-est, sharp-damned-shootin-est man you ever had the bad luck to meet! I can drink longer, fight harder, shout louder and piss further than any other man in the Yukon, and anyone who doesn't believe me can step outside!

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    1. Re:Bunk by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can drink longer, fight harder, shout louder and piss further than any other man in the Yukon, and anyone who doesn't believe me can step outside!

      "He's a Lumberjack and he's OK..."

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  7. Is one of those chemicals... by Shoten · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...named Oprah?

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  8. The most important point by spaceman375 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What this really means is that us old guys have bigger dicks than you nelly boys. Now get off my lawn, pansy.

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  9. Re:Finally an excuse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You need an excuse for being British?

  10. Re:Pollution = More Gay Men by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The religious right is against millions-of-years-ago storytelling that masquerades as hard science. As we all should be.

    As opposed to thousands-of-years-ago storytelling that they take as gospel?

  11. Re:Unfortunately, in reality most likely different by schon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It goes deeper than that though - "attractive" meant "the guy who could kill or maim his rivals".

    Look at animal species that are polygamous - even the "docile" herbivores engage in violence as the males compete for females. In species that engage in pair-bonding, violence is much less common.

    Monogamy (enforced by law/church) was a way of reducing societal violence.

  12. I for one applaud the news by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    If there's any argument that could get red-blooded, meat-eating, women-banging Republican men interested in environmentalism, it's the thought that pollution will turn their sons into gay little girlie men with small dicks.

    Next, we need to convince them professional sports and country music lowers sperm count.

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  13. Re:Y-chromosome by Evangelion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The XY zygotes could fail to develop into males (as described in other replies which actually understand biology), or they could simply spontaneously abort -- in which case, the parents would try again.

    If XY has a higher failure rate, then from a demographic standpoint there is a batch of babies that "should have" been males, but were born females because the male embryos failed. In this case, it wouldn't be about one physical baby that should have been male, but was born female -- but one kind of "demographic slot" should have been filled by a male baby, but got filled by a female baby instead.

  14. Re:Finally an excuse! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, the British are completely obsessed with breasts (that's why The Sun sells so many copies a day). As for the other bits, it's 51 degrees N and the central heating is dodgy, so lack of exercise, shrinkage of extremities and interest in hot drinks are natural.

  15. Farmers have been sonless for a generation by twostix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well not totally sonless, but many more girls are being born into rural areas than two generations ago.

    I come from a long line of farmers, though my fathers side got out in the '50s my mothers side all still own/run farms. We're not talking little hobby farms either.
    I spent a lot of time on those farms in my childhood and one thing I always remember was the massive sheds full of drums of toxic chemicals for use in various sheep and cattle dips, pesticides and vaccines. We're talking industrial scale with thousands of litres a year being used. Not to mention the big piles of petrochemcal fertilizers, lime and other bits and pieces laying around in the open.

    Now the interesting thing, 90% of my cousins on my mothers side are female. And I have a LOT of cousins. In fact both of my mothers brothers had four girls and only one boy EACH (8 girls to 2 boys). Now two data points does not mean much, but the thing is this is now extremely common out there and most of the families that I know of in the district now have families where daughters vastly outnumber sons. It's widely known and occasionally discussed, and it's only become so since my mothers generation. In her fathers generation it was a roughly even split. The general consensus is it's the toxic chemicals that gained popularity in the 50's that farmers are regularly exposed to (read drenched in).

    I remember when I was about 13 helping to dip sheep for the first time (kills all the bugs in the wool, basically the sheep get a high pressure shower with some sort of chemical concoction). Well for that whole week anytime I was anywhere near the spray, when I got even a whiff of the overspray if I was lucky it'd just be burning eyes, if I got a good dose I'd be running for the toilet, it was literally that toxic. The men operating the machine were drenched in it.

  16. Re:Pollution = More Gay Men by Aceticon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The religious right is against millions-of-years-ago storytelling that masquerades as hard science.

    <irony>
    It's clear from your neutral, non-emotionally charged and logical words and arguments that you are not at all pushing an agenda.
    </irony>

    Having been raised in a deeply catholic country and having studied science at an University along with some colleagues and even teachers which were both scientists AND Christians it never ceases to amaze me how the US seems to produce scores and scores of uneducated, anti-education, ignorant and even downright dumb "believers", incapable of reconciling religion with science.

    Quick hint: it's perfectly possible to believe both in God and in the Big-Bang - they're not at all mutually exclusive as long as you look at the bible as a book full of allegories instead of trying to believe that the English translation is literally the word of Jesus.

  17. Re:About time somebody noticed by kabocox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I also noticed that people's heads are larger than they used to be. And there seem to be a lot more homosexuals and lesbians, although that may be that they've just come out of the closet.

    What I want to know is if we're going to do anything about it?

    If it was "discovered" that a huge percentage of homosexual behavior was directly caused by chemical pollution, I don't know which community would go crazy the most, the homosexuals or the religious folks. You'd suddenly find the vast religious right pushing for environmental controls that even current greens would think are extreme. You'd have the parents of many homosexuals start suing and winning the nearest chemical plants that may have been at fault for causing their child to become homosexual. I think that the homosexual community would panic more than go crazy. You'd find a large portion of them just vanishing back into the closet.

  18. Re:Pollution = More Gay Men by GayBliss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a gay man, I have already done some of this research, and I can tell you without a doubt that gay men are NOT physically more feminine in general than straight men. There are masculine and feminine men in both camps, and I don't see any masculine/feminine bias in either direction. And there is certainly no bias towards a smaller penis size in gay men.

    I think the reason gay men act feminine at times has more to do with them letting go of the macho image that straight men try to portray, especially in the United States, which is why European men are often accused of "acting gay"; because they don't worry about acting "macho" as much as American men do. Europeans in general don't have such a deep seated fear of being branded as gay. This hasn't always been the case in the United States either. Watch some old B&W movies and note how much more "gay" the male actors tend to be than they do today.