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Adobe Building Zoetrope, a Web "Time Machine"
Khuffie writes "Adobe, along with the University of Washington, are developing Zoetrope, an application that will offer a dynamic new view of the web. It is hard to explain on paper, but you can see a brilliant video of the application in action. Essentially, Zoetrope will allow users to travel back in time through a website, and see how the website gets changed. A user can create lenses on the website, for example, focusing on the price of a DVD at Amazon, and see how the price went up and down over the coming months. More interestingly, you can link lenses together across different websites, and for example, see how the price of gas was affected by say, the aggregated google news result of 'war.'"
I feel like there is a porn joke in here somewhere...
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. . . and see how the price went up and down over the coming months.
This is all I need to make the change from more traditional investments to a DVD-based retirement plan!
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Guess they haven't heard of the Wayback Machine.
From the blurb:
More interestingly, you can link lenses together across different websites, and for example, see how the price of gas was affected by say, the aggregated google news result of 'war.'"
Actually, no... You can't use this tool to see how the one thing was affected by the other. You can see how they both changed with respect to time, but that isn't the same.
Please to keep in mind the famous Slashdot Mantra: Correlation is not causation.
Adobe has fan-boys??
at first, I thought AlphaChrome was back.
The system is limited, however, by how much historical data is available. To test the tool, the researchers chose 1,000 frequently updated websites and stored information captured every hour over four months.
But for Zoetrope to cover the entire Web would mean capturing huge amounts of data, says Eytan Adar, a PhD student at the University of Washington who was involved with the research. He has investigated the rates at which people tend to check different pages for updates and says that such information could provide insights into how often pages need to be recorded, thereby reducing the amount of data that needs to be stored. "It's impossible to crawl and capture some of these things at the rate at which they're changing," Adar says. "But for something like Zoetrope, it's a smaller percentage of the Web that we want to track. We don't actually need to get every single page that's out there."
To make any money, the Zoetrope people will either have to sell this application to websites or setup their own very limited search engine with ads. And if they go search engine style, they'll have no historical data.
It's a neat idea, but the practical applications are still questionable at best.
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Zoetrope sucks
The article mentions only a small portion of the internet being Zoetroped so you will probably be limited to data that is not useful. Who cares what a DVD cost yesterday if I am stuck with the price today?
"practical applications are still questionable at best."
Funny, I heard the same thing about Livejournal, Facebook, and later, Twitter.
Now each of those are worth hundreds of millions, and are used by hundreds of millions of people. "Practical" isn't a neccessary prerequisite for success.
Just like Acrobat Reader, the real innovation will be a user interface with options that don't stick, and invasive phone home auto-update technology that is difficult or impossible to switch off. It'll be a time machine allowing you to see just how little Adobe have changed over the years.
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The presented features do look nifty, especially the graph, but one big problem I see is that the timespans it can process will likely end up rather short. Webpage design changes over time and when that happens lensing will get troublesome, since content might no longer be where it used to be. Also the tool only seems to work on portal pages, while most real content is hidden in some sub page, which naturally doesn't have much of a history.
It is hard to explain on paper,
...which is okay, since neither one of us is using any.
Always makes me wonder: when was the last time anybody actually "dialed" a phone? And someday kids will wonder why it's called "YouTube" when they've only ever watched it on a thin, flat LCD screen....
http://www.archive.org/index.php
They've had this for years!!
seeing as everything's not quite finished yet, forward browsing may be limited.
Or like Versionista. http://versionista.com/diff/rnk5Hkwm9Fw!o5RC64S1rQ/?showscript.
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Another pile of crap Adobe can pile onto the Internet.
This thing ... pointless and stupid was created and explained by a bulgarian (Mira Dontcheva). I have detected the glimpses of empty headed pathetic pupmped up speaking of my own birth language. Like any bulgarian gone to university in the US she is trying to get some publicity while not understanting even a bit of what she is trying to do.
Completely useless. Well, I like working with L2 dumps and basic routing for living but....
Pointless rubbish from the company that brought us other pointless rubbish (Flash anyone?)
It was reported by a few outlets that Obama's website changed a lot during the political campaign. It would be an interesting application of this technology, to keep a watch on political websites.
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1. See how the price of a stock "went" up and down over the coming months.
2. ???
3. Profit!!!
Any ideas on step 2? It's escaping me at the moment...
And we trust Adobe to implement this in a non-threatening for-the-greater-good socialistic sorta way?
I don't think so....
This seems like it's showing correlations, not necessarily causal relationships. Still, neat stuff.
The tool looks really REALLY powerful. They really need to change it so it can be more easily used by the noob though. I would even suggest that the links showing trends can be linked to. That way if you want to make a point in a debate you can point someone to your lensed construct. Or there can be sites that will list interesting correlations like in blogs or w/e. Here it would be VERY useful. If they make it a web-based system with no download it would be much much more powerful again. The only big problem I see is the implementation. Gathering so much info is hard not impossible but! following information as sites move and evolve will be impossible. I think they will need to be able to grab historical data as will as a sites own history... for example instead of linking to your own graph allow linking to google stocks or google trends. A lot of those reach back to the 70s which is more useful than the last 8mnths.
I wonder how Francis Ford Coppola feels about this?
http://www.zoetrope.com/about.cgi
http://www.all-story.com/
I know this is my (Mr. Hyde) lit-geek side talking, but I thought he nearly owned that word.
focusing on the price of a DVD at Amazon, and see how the price went up and down over the coming months.
Wow, I can see how the price of a product varied in the future? Wonder if it works with the stock exchange or gambling...
You can't trademark a word like this which has been in use for over one hundred years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoetrope
The multi-dimensional nature of this app seems to me that it could greatly benefit from the multi-touch interfaces we're starting to see, (although perhaps not as far as Minority Report).
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I believe it's "buy low, sell high" or somesuch.
I think it's only hard to explain "on paper" if you insist on using nonsensical phrases like "will allow users to travel back in time through a website". How hard is it to just say "will show website changes over time"?
Looks pretty cool, though.
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The problem is...who is storing the data?
Is that a WebArchive with 20 seconds resolution? How much data would that yield?
Or do I have to tag some website for a day before I can see that?
Or is there a P2P solution (like with content addressing DHT?) for that?
on websites using Flash ? (that doesn't get indexed by archive.org, and didn't until recently by google) :D
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i think step 2 is "collect underpants"
A "web Time machine" already exists, they call the "Web archive" and it isn't a commercial crapware like everything Adobe does. You know, we are talking about the company that exploits unused sectors of the hard disk to store the nasty DRM of their software crap, surely I wouldn't give them a fucking bit of anything to analyse on the web..... http://www.archive.org/index.php
Or replace 'em.
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Non-correlation doesn't prove non-causality because there are infinitely many functions where X is causally related to Y, but X and Y have zero correlation. I think the easiest summary is that non-zero correlation implies the possibility of a causal relationship, and vice versa.
can this do regression analysis visualization with user-manipulated base years from core data?
Probably there are just stored images in svn or something. However great use of powerful tools like cvs, svn, git. I would not be surprised if Apple would do something like this and include it into the Mac OS; following Windows announcement that they developed new technology for browsing website through time, while there would already working alpha, beta in Linux.