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The End of Individual Genius?

An anonymous reader writes "A recent study suggests the downfall of individual researchers, who are being rapidly replaced by enormous research groups. Quoting: '... in recent decades — especially since the Soviet success in launching the Sputnik satellite in 1957 — the trend has been to create massive institutions that foster more collaboration and garner big chunks of funding. And it is harder now to achieve scientific greatness. A study of Nobel Prize winners in 2005 found that the accumulation of knowledge over time has forced great minds to toil longer before they can make breakthroughs. The age at which thinkers produce significant innovations increased about six years during the 20th century.'"

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  1. In elemental news by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The molecule claims to trump the atom.

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    1. Re:In elemental news by Gerzel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please. It has pretty much always been like this. The more brains you have on a project generally means the faster it gets done(note I did say Generally).

      Even many of our great inventors are often given credit as individuals when really they were working as heads of larger teams. Edison comes to mind. And while we contribute relativity to Einstein it was large teams of people that actually got nuclear power working and confirmed his ideas. Darwin nearly got scooped by another man for natural selection(or natural preservation as he(Darwin) would have preferred), even if the other guy hadn't done his work nearly as throughly.

      In the end while there are often genius individuals none of them work in a vacuum and there are often many people around them working towards similar ends.

    2. Re:In elemental news by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When the education system institutionalizes you for 30 years and tells you what the world looks like, how the hell are you supposed to actually see it when you're finally released?

      Geniuses need to see the world for themselves.

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      -1 Uncomfortable Truth
    3. Re:In elemental news by marco.antonio.costa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thinking 'generally' might lead you to false conclusions. In my opinion the optimal 'head count' varies from venture to venture, there is no general panacea. More people can help, more people can get in the way.

      Large groups of people confirmed Einstein's ideas, granted. What confirmed ideas or reactors would there be today if not for that one unique man? Zip.

      Nikola Tesla comes to my mind when you speak of Edison, incidentally, which was truly a scientific and creative genius while Edison, while far from a simpleton, don't get me wrong, was more of a gifted entrepreneur and obstinate tinkerer.

      Anyway, if individual genius is dead it is because we are killing it. Society seems to me to be heading more and more in path of collectivism and thus less and less incentive for individual achievement. Damn shame if you ask me. :(

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    4. Re:In elemental news by Mutatis+Mutandis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The more brains you have on a project generally means the faster it gets done(note I did say Generally).

      This is the concept that an IT consultant once described as "using nine women to produce a baby in one month." Beyond a certain critical mass, generally not higher than about seven people, adding more people slows down R&D work. Larger groups can work effectively only if they divide themselves into smaller teams working on well-defined parts of the job.

      Even armies have figured this out -- modern armies may be huge and complex organizations, but the smallest tactical unit is a squad of about ten people, much like the Roman contubernium.

      Indeed Einstein did not work in complete isolation: Much of the mathematical framework for the theory of relativity was explored by Poincare and Lorentz. And he corresponded about his ideas with others. Nevertheless, theoretical physics at this level is a highly individual activity, because ultimately it is all about thinking and testing concepts in a mathematical framework.

    5. Re:In elemental news by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not sure why this is modded troll. Einstein's special relativity was simple stuff, sure you could claim that it took an outsider to see it (not a total outsider ofc as he did have a degree in physics and knew about Lorentz transformations), but his important stuff was defiantly not done alone. His work on quantum mechanics was almost always in collaboration with others and while he provided the insight to the physics of general relativity he got a lot of help with the maths. Most of Feynman's works were also collaborations.

      It's fair to say that if Einstein had been an outsider, he would never have developed general relativity or EPR specifically because he wouldn't have known enough about the maths needed to support the theories.

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  2. I believe a wise man once said... by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    None of us are as dumb as all of us.

    1. Re:I believe a wise man once said... by aliquis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The smart girls most likely hang around at the same place as the smart boys, don't ask me why you never meet one of them.

    2. Re:I believe a wise man once said... by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Funny

      They don't allow talking in the library, 'tis why.

    3. Re:I believe a wise man once said... by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed, while Eugenics fell out of favor due to the even more extreme practice of genocide. The reality is that people are going to choose somebody that they're attracted to over somebody that's not.

      It always mystifies me that the assumption is that looks don't correspond with other important qualities. What's more attractive tends to be defined based upon things which are advantageous, intelligence, fertility and ability to raise future offspring. It really shouldn't be a surprise that so many attractive people are also both popular and intelligent.

      It's bad for the species to encourage people to date down. People do try to date up for a reason, calling it superficial is kind of ill advised. As often as not, the person being mocked is being less superficial than the one doing the mocking.

  3. good! by thermian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It may sound romantic that a lone genius comes along and changes everything, but its not a good thing in practice, nor, for the most part, is it even true.

    There have been great people that came along and made breakthroughs, but always this was the result of their building work of others.
    The myth of the lone scientist is just that, a myth. Newton, to pick an example of the 'great man working alone' wasn't the only one working in his field, he just 'rewrote' a lot of history to make this seem the case. We don't even use his version of calculus, but everyone still credits him.

    Einstein too extended the work of many others. He did a lot of thinking on his own, but everything he did was an extension of the work of others. I'm not saying he wasn't smart, he was, but how much faster would his work have arrived had he been working in a group the whole time?

    This trend of working in groups can do naught but good.

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    A learning experience is one of those things that say, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' - D. Adams
    1. Re:good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >There have been great people that came along and made breakthroughs, but always this was the result of their building work of others.

      Of course, but the others weren't a moving target. Depending on how you define "working in a group", you could make all of humanity being one group and obviously everyone works in a group, then.

      Point is, when you "work alone", you don't have to argue with others and get them to understand your viewpoint about the theory. If you try to understand their viewpoint, it isn't "A" today but "B" tomorrow (and if it is, you ignore them until they decided it themselves - something you usually can't do in a "official" small group you are part of).

      >Einstein too extended the work of many others. He did a lot of thinking on his own, but everything he did was an extension of the work of others.

      >I'm not saying he wasn't smart, he was, but how much faster would his work have arrived had he been working in a group the whole time?

      Much much slower.

      No, really. I'm all for working in groups but working out fields in theoretical physics is something you wouldn't be able to do in a group in any reasonable time frame. Apart from the social problems (whose idea was "it"?), too many cooks spoil the soup and you end up with frankentheory, if anything.

      In Experimental Physics, I'm all for it. A million monkeys on a million typewriters......

    2. Re:good! by kumanopuusan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't bother to mod me up, but the parent should be modded down. Newton is the perfect example of an individual genius, and he changed the world drastically, irrevocably and all by himself. "Everyone still credits" Newton because the calculus wasn't even his biggest accomplishment. He invented classical mechanics by himself. There is no dispute about it.

      The greatest minds in the rest of the world were decades behind him, so it's hard to imagine what group he should have been working with. It wasn't just the case with Newton either. Gauss discovered non-Euclidean geometry 30 years before it was published anywhere else.

      Before you claim that Newton and Gauss were lying, consider that they didn't have any reason to. Without claiming credit for calculus, Newton would still be the most influential physicist of all time, and there was no peer to Gauss.

      I'll admit that for all the rest of us, working in groups will help immensely, but let's not shackle the few truly exceptional people that exist to the mediocre. The solution here is for us not to pretend we're geniuses. Just because it's encouraging to pretend that Newton is just like the rest of us, doesn't mean we should be so dishonest as to pretend it's true.

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    3. Re:good! by maxume · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you start using buildings that are designed by computers, they will really be designed by programmers.

      Which is terrifying.

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      Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
    4. Re:good! by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ha, I can still draw a schematic without my computer, but when I'm not around my computer just sits there and does nothing.

      So who's the fucking daddy?? *gives computer a bitchslap* WHO'S THE FUCKING DADDY??

    5. Re:good! by thermian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If it's a proof, I'll bet you 10-to-1 that the real business of proving it was done by a computer, not by a human.

      And in fact most discoveries these days are really done by computers, not by humans.

      You've not quite got that right. Some problems can only be solved in reasonable time with computers, some hypothesis confirmations can also only be done in reasonable time with computers. That doesn't mean that the algorithms aren't the result of many hours of human work.

      The hypothesis in my Ph.D thesis was demonstrated as being valid through use of computers. It took me two years to come up with the underlying principles, and weeks for the computer to crunch its way to the answer. The computer found that I was correct, but only through applying my algorithm.

      That's how things work these days.

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      A learning experience is one of those things that say, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' - D. Adams
    6. Re:good! by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Newton and Gauss don't prove the value of lone-wolf researchers in modern times, which I take to be the point of the story. These days, many, many more people have access to information and the material means to spend a good chunk of time thinking. That makes it much, much harder to stand head and shoulders above the crowd. The easy discoveries have been made - nobody is going to be immortalized for discovering that distance = acceleration * time^2 these days. Einstein himself called Newton lucky because "there is only one Universe to discover and he did it."

    7. Re:good! by m_cuffa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Newton was truly exceptional and head and shoulders above most if not all scientists of his age, but he did not work alone. He worked closely and/or drew on the work of Halley, Huygens, Leibniz, to name but a few, and his work built on the earlier work of Kepler and Brahe. The romanticized notion of the lone scientist toiling away in his lab is really a myth. Science has always been collaborative.

      "If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of Giants."
      - Isaac Newton

      "To explain all nature is too difficult a task for any one man or even for any one age. 'Tis much better to do a little with certainty, & leave the rest for others that come after you, than to explain all things by conjecture without making sure of any thing."
      - Isaac Newton

    8. Re:good! by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since distance = 0.5 * acceleration * time^2, I should hope not.

      It's completely independent of the initial velocity? Send me a postcard from Stockholm.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    9. Re:good! by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And in fact most discoveries these days are really done by computers, not by humans.

      Also humans don't build houses. It's the tools that do it. People say the construction crew built it, but really it was the hammers, saws and nail guns that did it.

      Also my accountant doesn't do anything. I should be paying his calculator directly.

      Yeah it sounds stupid when you credit the tool, doesn't it? Computers are just tools.

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      These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
  4. Ha! by OpenSourced · · Score: 4, Funny

    Happens to me too! I'm as smart as, like, Einstein, but everything I can think of, is already invented, or something. I was just born late, I guess.

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    Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
  5. Re:The Wisdom of Groups by Eudial · · Score: 4, Insightful

    groups tend to be smarter than any individual member.
    The trouble is that they also give us the 1929, 1987, and whenever the last stock Market crash was.

    In my experience, groups tend to be dumber than any individual member. Being accused of groupthink is not a compliment.

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  6. Re:Similar conclusions from bibliometrics by YourExperiment · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's possible that this is due in part to the sheer amount of bureaucracy that goes on in academia these days. Perhaps these collaborative papers are written by one genius, backed up by one or more people who know how to secure the funding and generally get things done.

  7. A few things not considered here by Rastl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course, I didn't RTFA but this is /. so when has that ever stopped anyone from commenting?

    Standardized education has extended its tentacles farther and farther. And since it's .. standardized .. you get less chance of anyone standing out. That's kind of against the entire idea of standardized education. Smear all those little minds in to one mildly mediocre band of test results. So now you have brilliant children having to work twice as hard just to be themselves.

    Companies (and universities) own your soul. You can't come up with a great idea on your lunch break - it's not your idea. You might get to put your name on the list of people who worked on it but the company/university is going to take the credit and the money.

    Take away the precocious youth and the curious adult and you lose the independent researcher.

    I won't even get into extended lifespans, artificially extended childhood or a whole host of other, related societal issues.

  8. Re:Similar conclusions from bibliometrics by JDevers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can certainly back this up, from my experience the first author on a paper does 80% of the work, the next few work in the same lab and contributed in some minor way and the last few are the people you put on the grant application to have any chance of getting money.

  9. Counter-argument: scientist in a sea of ideas by Morgaine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my view, TFA has got it very wrong because the writer has romanticized a fictitious "lone scientist" into existence. In reality, so-called "lone scientists" never work or think alone at all, and they never have. Instead, scientific thinking always takes place within an international sea of ideas.

    Throughout all of history, scientific progress has always occurred within a framework of communication between thinking people, and those thought processes arise out of education in the relevant subjects followed by extremely extensive reading and discussing of ideas with others. New scientific insight has never popped out of nothing by some sort of magic. Novel ideas arise only by alternative analysis of other people's published or communicated thoughts.

    Instead of the lone scientist being at a disadvantage now versus large organized groups, the opposite may even be true because of the Internet. Never before have lone individuals had so much up-to-date information at their disposal (including research data), and never before have they had the means to communicate with others so easily. This suggests that the lone scientist has a lot going for him or her today, at least in part.

    Science contains two parts however, a theoretical one and an experimental one, and there is no doubt that the experimental side of science benefits hugely from good funding. However, you need the germ of a new idea before you can turn it into a theory let alone test it, and new ideas don't spring up directly through funding --- it's a more complex relationship.

    Large research groups certainly provide a good environment for high-bandwidth scientific discussion among peers in a scientific discipline, but even those scientists will be communicating with others worldwide, particularly through conferences and publications, and so they're still adding to the international sea of ideas which is the real bedrock of science. Things haven't really changed much.

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  10. Not "age at which thinkers produce innovations.." by StupendousMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... but "the age at which researchers have built up large research teams to carry out projects for which they (for the most part) acquire funding."

    In other words, eighty years ago, a 30-year old physicist and a technician or two could build a device to study the absorption of X-rays by various elements. The resulting publications might win a Nobel Prize.

    These days, a 30-year old physicist is working as a post-doc in someone else's lab. He won't by the leading author on the grant proposal to design a new detector for CERN -- some 50-year old with an established track record will be. That 50-year old guy will probably still be alive when the detector is finally built and goes into action. He MIGHT still be alive when the Nobel Prize committee gets around to considering the results of the research.

    If you think this is lamentable, ask yourself about bridges. How many people design and build large highway bridges BY THEMSELVES these days? None. Do you long for the days, millenia ago, when a single man, or perhaps a man and his brothers, might construct a bridge to span the local creek?

    Practical architecture has become too big for one man to do all by himself. The items of interest just cannot be built by a single person in a human lifetime. The same is true in SOME spheres of the sciences, but not all.

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    Michael Richmond "This is the heart that broke my finger."
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  11. Apples and Oranges by vadeskoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's kind of weird the article compares Einstein - a theoretician - with large experimental / engineering enterprises such as Sputnik or CERN. Theoretical and experimental physics are two very different beasts (that don't always even get along), and to my knowledge, there aren't any grand collaborations in theoretical physics (still done on a small / individual scale).

    1. Re:Apples and Oranges by HuguesT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the general public's eye perhaps, but to physicists he is far from the only one. Quite a few came close, especially the people working in QM: Heisenberg, Pauli, Dirac, de Broglie, the Curies, Landau, more recently Feynman, Gell-Mann, Weinberg and many others.

      Physics has become enormously more complicated now than at the turn of the 20th century. To contribute now requires long years of study to catch up with recent science and enormous budgets to run experiments.

      Coming up with a paradigm-shifting theory like relativity was now requires understanding and undoing literally piles upon piles of theory. It's easy to get lost, and most likely no one will understand you.

  12. Part of the reason for people gathering in by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    large groups to do science is simply the cost and complexity of experiments. Nowadays very few groundbreaking experiments can be done in your garage, you need access to expensive machines(and often lots of energy) in order to conduct your research. And since they probably won't hand the keys to the LHC(once its repaired) to some upstart grad student with a new theory, it becomes necessary to spend vast amounts of time "proving" yourself while building the necessary connections to see your experiment come to fruition.

    I think this study is partially flawed because they only look at Nobel prize winners, which exclude fields like Mathematics(where no labs are necessary in many cases). If mathematicians are getting older then I would be more inclined to believe their conclusion.

  13. Re:The Wisdom of Groups by Software+Geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In my experience, even though groups are dumber than any individual member, individuals are smarter when they are in groups.

    Individuals rarely challenge their own assumptions. Just having someone to listen to your ideas and ask a few pointed questions can save a huge amount of time wasted in unproductive directions.

    It is when a group keeps steering you back to the same bad assumptions that it makes you dumber.

  14. Re:Similar conclusions from bibliometrics by ettlz · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can certainly back this up, from my experience the first author on a paper does 80% of the work, the next few work in the same lab and contributed in some minor way and the last few are the people you put on the grant application to have any chance of getting money.

    I can't back that up at all.

    In all the papers to which I contributed, the names were in alphabetical order.

  15. Too many distractions by kanweg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To become a genius, you not only have to be smart, but also have to put in a lot of single-focus effort from a young age. And the latter is what has become hard, these days. Too many distractions, from games, TV, Internet, Slashdot, etc.

    Remember the Polgar sisters. Intelligence and hard dedicated work made them into chess grandmasters.
    Interestingly, I thought I'd look at Wikipedia for her, to see how she is doing now.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polgar

    Quote from her father: "Geniuses are made, not born"

    Bert

  16. Newton invented F=ma, Optics, and Calculus by drerwk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Newton and Leibniz may well have invented calculus independently. And I'd like to know which version you use, because Newton introduced the product rule, the chain rule, the notion of higher derivatives, Taylor series, and analyticity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus We don't use his notation, but that is a small difference.

    You do a real injustice to suggest that math was "his field", as he invented calculus to help him invent classical mechanics. He invented F=ma. Not until Einstien 200 years latter was that improved upon significantly. He invented color theory. Which led him to construct the Newtonian telescope to remove the chromatic aberration his color theory implied.
    And, thanks to his use of Newtons's rings to measure the quality of the mirrors he was grinding to build his telescope, they were the best telescopes available in the day.

    If he was not a Genius, then there have never been any.

  17. Individual "Genius" by mkiwi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This title is misleading. There are many types of genius outside of math and physics.
    Artists, authors, composers, financial gurus, etc. can all be geniuses. To limit the definition of genius to a scientist is to discard most the minds who have greatly contributed to our society.

    I'm not saying the submitter did this out of malice, but there is definitely a negative "stereotype" in the scientific community about intelligent people who do non-science-related work.

  18. This article is incorrect, that's all by Werthless5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they had bother to read, say, a single scientific journal from the past 50 years, there would be a realization; not only do great scientific minds still appear, but they appear more regularly now than ever before.

    Einstein, Feynman, Bohr, Curie, Oppenheimer, Fermi, Heisenburg, Hawking, Planck, and many more who made outstanding individual contributions were ALL 20th century scientists! And there are dozens more like them, making BRILLIANT contributions to science. These are geniuses.

    The article is ignoring how history is written; you don't write it as it is being experienced. Often someone isn't recognized for genius for 20 years after they've made some incredible discovery, theory, etc. 20 years from now we'll have a new list of geniuses for the 21st century.