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Sarcasm Useful For Detecting Dementia

An anonymous reader writes "Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit, but Australian scientists are using it to diagnose dementia, according to a new study. Researchers at the University of New South Wales, found that patients under the age of 65 suffering from frontotemporal dementia (FTD), the second most common form of dementia, cannot detect when someone is being sarcastic."

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  1. This will end badly... by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Studies also found that old people who do not have dementia are likely to whack you with their canes for sassing them.

    Doctor: "Oh, yeaaaa, you're normal"
    Patient: "Why you little whippernapper! *WHACK* *WHACK*"
    Doctor: "No! Ow! No! It was a medical test!
    Patient: "I lived through 15 wars and 5 depressions, and I'm not going to let some damn young quack backtalk me in the name of science!" *WHACK* *WHACK*

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    1. Re:This will end badly... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, I wonder if this is exactly why the behavior of being a smart-ass has evolved in children. We need some way for young people to be able to know if an elder is mentally competent enough. If someone with dementia can't detect sarcasm, it stands to reason that by being a smart-ass, you can tell if they're still capable of making leadership decisions. If they are, then they'll smack you, if not, you put them out on an ice floe.

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    2. Re:This will end badly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And I thought I was just an ass, turns out I'm a dementia detecting savant.

    3. Re:This will end badly... by lysergic.acid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      that reminds of the summer i spent at a Buddhist temple/monastery in Taiwan. i was in junior high or just entering high school, i think, and I went there with a couple other Asian-American teenagers as part of a Buddhist/animal rights summer camp program that our parents enrolled us in.

      despite being pulled out of bed at 4 in the morning, not being able to eat meat, being made to do farm work (the monks grew most of their own food), and having to recite stupid mantras every morning, and even being locked in a urine-soaked livestock trailer in the baking sun for half an hour (yes, i'm serious.), it was a really interesting experience.

      but one of the more unexpected things to happen was learning that Taiwanese people aren't familiar with sarcasm. while we were socializing with a few of the younger monks (their ages ranged from mid-teens to early-20's) one of the American teenagers responded to a question from one of the monks with a sarcastic reply. and while it was pretty obvious to all of us Americans that he was being facetious, the monks were rather perplexed. we tried to explain it to them, but the culture gap was too big. to them there was no difference between being sarcastic and lying.

  2. Sarcasm mark by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I found this bit from the Wikipedia to be interesting:

    In certain Ethiopic languages, sarcasm is indicated with a sarcasm mark, a character that looks like a backwards question mark at the end of a sentence, similar to Alcanter de Brahm's proposed irony mark ().

    So did the fledgeling movement of Slashdotters who proposed using the tilde ~ as the sarcasm mark beat them to it?

    1. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      ~yeah, ~as ~if ~that ~would ~work().

    2. Re:Sarcasm mark by BigJClark · · Score: 5, Funny


      Sarcasm has no place on the internet. period.

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    3. Re:Sarcasm mark by Andr+T. · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a friend who said once that you can give sexual meaning to any statement as long as you end it with "if you know what I mean". Something like:

      Now I will recompile my kernel, if you know what I mean.

      Maybe people could use a sentence like that to imply sarcasm... maybe 'Obviously'.

      ...if you know what I mean.

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    4. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your smiley has a goatee.

    5. Re:Sarcasm mark by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 5, Funny

      As an octogenarian who has seen the negative effects of censorship across various media over many decades, I find your desire to absolutely deny peoples' right to express themselves in a particular way to be not only naive, but also -- oooh, look at the bird feeder, that hummingbird is back!!

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    6. Re:Sarcasm mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a friend who said once that you can give sexual meaning to any statement as long as you end it with "if you know what I mean".

      Ironically, the same results can be achieved by ending statements with 'would you have sex with me.'

    7. Re:Sarcasm mark by drspliff · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unfortunately it can also be a problem in real-life, generally when I'm being sarcastic I sound and act exactly as if I wasn't, combine this with my quirky personalty and it gets interesting.

      (while in a job interview)
      Interviewer: so what kind of hobbies do you have, apart from coding?
      Me: Well, rock climbing, some music production, necrophelia and subtle dark humor.

      I wanted to convey that he's just trying to make small-talk to cover up the fact that he's already decided they weren't going to employ me, instead his face twitched for a second and his mouth opened and you could see his brain clicking away trying to digest what I'd just said.

      Um yah, getting back ontopic you can be sarcastic on the internet if people know you well, we all understand subtle humour & emotions while reading what other people write, but for complete strangers that's pretty much impossible.

    8. Re:Sarcasm mark by SydShamino · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or drool...

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    9. Re:Sarcasm mark by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everybody knows that sarcasm contains no iron.

      It does if it's ferocious enough.

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  3. Obligatory by PinkyDead · · Score: 3, Funny

    <sarcasm>Really?</sarcasm>

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    1. Re:Obligatory by Aphoxema · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder if whoever called sarcasm the lowest form of wit was demented.

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  4. This just in... by Daravon · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...90% of the internet is demented.

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  5. Ooo.. nice. by onion2k · · Score: 4, Funny

    What a great idea.

    If you're wondering if you've got dementia, and you thought this comment was sarcastic, then you have because it wasn't.

    If you're not wondering if you've got dementia, then you have too because it totally was sarcastic.

    Or maybe it's me who has dementia. I don't know if I'm being sarcastic. Oh dear.

  6. Does this mean the Internet is a dementia sim? by istartedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since sarcasm is notoriously difficult to convey online, does this mean the Internet is a dementia simulator? Actually, that would explain a lot of things...

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  7. Alternate title by elashish14 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Doctors Recommend Reading Slashdot to Diagnose Dementia.

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  8. A good idea for early detection of mental illness by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Sarcasm may be the lowest form of wit, but Australian scientists are using it to diagnose dementia, according to a new study. Researchers at the University of New South Wales, found that patients under the age of 65 suffering from frontotemporal dementia (FTD), the second most common form of dementia, cannot detect when someone is being sarcastic."

    I have suffered from Paranoid Schizophrenia since the age of 15. I'm 33 now, and I can say from my own personal experience that this is very true.

    One of the many reasons I have trouble 'fitting in', especially at social gatherings, is my inability to detect sarcasm. It can be terrifying when someone says something that could be interpreted 'literally' as demeaning or cruel but is only 'joking around' etc.

    I'm better now than I was, but usually only after getting to know a person well. Surprisingly however, even people I've known for 5+ years can still be sarcastic occasionally and it will go right over my head. They know about my illness however, and on occasions like those do me the favor of pointing out they were just being sarcastic, which helps.

    I think the approach in the article could be a great diagnostic tool for early detection of these types of mental illness...I suffered from schizophrenia without knowing I had it for almost 10 years. My life fell to pieces; that and my family and friends (the few I had left) finally convinced me I had a problem. I was the last to know I had schizophrenia...and it has been very very difficult coming to terms with it.

    Maybe if it was detected earlier I could have been treated earlier, and the damage to my life and my state of mind might have been mitigated considerably. I don't know.

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  9. In related news... by yorgo · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...parody is being used to detect Alzheimer's disease, and satire to detect lupus.

    1. Re:In related news... by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not lupus.

  10. I propose... by Emb3rz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hereby propose that the customary "whoosh" be replaced with "You may have Frontotemporal Dementia. Please see your physician."

  11. Re:Speak as a Masshole by sunking2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's a wicked good observation.

  12. Re:Speak as a Masshole by LunaticTippy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You probably would get the exact same look if you said something not sarcastic with a MA accent.

    I found that after a few days in the south I started talking with a drawl. Strangers became much friendlier to me.

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  13. Re:Sarcasm is a Scourge by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

    I bet you're fun at parties.

    Ha! Dementia detected.

  14. Not just for dementia by Pingo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From my own experience I have noticed that people
    in the very start of a psykosis episode also suffers from not beeing able to understand sarcasm.

    This is before they show any real signs of the mental illness.

    I lived together with a woman many years that had this kind of problems and I used sarcasm to check her up so to speak. It never failed to indicate when she was about to have a new episode and to be prepared to help her out.

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  15. goodluckwiththat by volpe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks!

  16. EMT technique? by localman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know if this is common or not, but an EMT seemed to use this once to tell if I was going to pass out. I had broken my upper arm and at some point I guess I was looking whiter than usual (according to my friends). After putting the arm in a sling the EMT looked at me very seriously and said something like "What's the problem? You're a big guy. What's the big deal?" I was confused for a moment, then I realized he was being sarcastic and I laughed. When I did, he smiled, patted me on the (other) shoulder and announced "Yeah, he's okay. He'll be fine."

    I thought that was a pretty good way to tell how out of it I was. Of course some people don't get sarcasm at all, so it might not work all the time.

  17. Re:They recognize it by diskofish · · Score: 5, Funny

    Irony. The opposite of wrinkly.

  18. sarcasm is cultural.... by Brigadier · · Score: 3, Informative

    sarcasm is cultural.... I grew up in Jamaica, after moving to the US I had a very hard time understanding sarcasm which is very common here. In my experience growing up in Jamaica sarcasm wasn't common at all.

  19. Re:Lowest Form of Wit by Neoprofin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Puns. Goddamn puns.

  20. Asperger's connection...? by macraig · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From TFA:

    "(FTD) patients present changes in personality and behaviour. They find it difficult to interact with people, they don't pick up on social cues, they lack empathy, they make bad judgements."

    That sounds almost like a textbook description of Asperger's Syndrome. Hmmmm....